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Time for Bold Changes. 

Post#1 » by Js2k0516 » Fri Dec 6, 2013 7:45 am

Our starting lineup needs a change, these slow starts are KILLING the Heat. We are basically losing the game or playing catch up after the 1st quarter night in and night out.

We tried Haslem, it was horrible, we tried Battier, it wasn't much better, and with battier we are getting demolished on the boards. Battier has regressed far too much this year and that it is alarming.

The Answer? Beasley.

You can forget about slow starts, just not possible with Wade James Bosh Beasley out their at the same time.

Rebounding? He is no Kevin love lol but he rebounds better than Battier. He also boxes out much better.

With Beasley in the starting lineup, I guarantee we won't be playing catch up any longer.

Not all is good however, Beas starting leaves a real hole in our Bench. But I'm sure spo can rotate them around to where always atleast 1 of Wade James bosh Beas is out there.

I know, over reaction thread.....but is it? For 3 years now we have had slow starts, we have been a bad rebounding team. Also, like it or not, battier and Haslem are OLD. With Beas out their I guarantee Bosh's numbers will go up. The rebounding battle will be much closer.

Just try it for maybe 5-10 games, if it doesn't work just go back to Battier, but does spo just not wanna try because he is hard headed? Or because he literally has something against Beasley.
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Post#2 » by krikor » Fri Dec 6, 2013 9:27 am

keep battier for playoffs. if u take away game 7 last year... battier was absymal.

for regular season play cole, beasley extended minutes.
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Post#3 » by dolphinatik » Fri Dec 6, 2013 10:48 am

we wanted o play small ball. we wanted to not sign any non injured bigs in the offseason. we chose to use Bosh on the pereimeter so why complain now. Chicago just did what Indiana did and any half intelligent team should do and pound it inside against us like the basket is giving out free candy.

We could have started Bosh at center and played him strictly inside. We could have had Joel in the middle. We could have not had Beasley and Haslem fighting for the same position. We could have posted up Bron, Bosh, Lewis, Haslem and Beasley more.

When teams decide to bang inside against us all of a sudden we want to turn into a perimeter team and the shots were not falling from range. Fundamental basketball no bigs in the middle, no rebounds, no easy baskets. They got those, Indiana will get those. Every year its the same thing hnow we can get beaten up inside. But in the playoffs we are fortunate enough to get superhuman efforts from Lebron Wade and Bosh at the right time to get us wins.

I love having Bron and Wade run circles around and slice up defences however I miss the days of dumping it down to a Shaq, a Mourning, even an Ike Austin or a Ronny Seikley for some good old fashioned low post play. I dont know why we insist on doing it the hard way.
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Post#4 » by JesusHCoxMd » Fri Dec 6, 2013 11:25 am

Back to back champions. Please don't overreact.
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Post#5 » by DayofMourning » Fri Dec 6, 2013 11:38 am

Just start Lewis, and make sure Beasley gets plenty of running time with Lebon. Also, never play Haslem. We were doing fine it seemed last night until we thought that playing Haslem extended minutes was a good thing. He performed pitifully, even yelled at Beasley when he did a horrible job defending a guy in the post. Just gave up on a guy and then blasted Beasley for not helping. He's lost his mind and his talent. Yuck.
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Post#6 » by DWadeno3 » Fri Dec 6, 2013 12:24 pm

DayofMourning wrote:Just start Lewis, and make sure Beasley gets plenty of running time with Lebon. Also, never play Haslem. We were doing fine it seemed last night until we thought that playing Haslem extended minutes was a good thing. He performed pitifully, even yelled at Beasley when he did a horrible job defending a guy in the post. Just gave up on a guy and then blasted Beasley for not helping. He's lost his mind and his talent. Yuck.


Why plenty of time with LeBron when our best 5-man lineup including Beasley has been Cole-Wade-Beasley-Lewis-Andersen?

Regarding to the OP, it was only a matter of time until you'd lose a little adversity to justify putting Beasley into the starting lineup. Our slow starts are, however, not a lineup issue, but more so an energy issue. Our defensive rotations were garbage (and that includes boxing out and rebounding) and our ball and man movement was almost non-existent offensively. Inserting Beasley into the lineup isn't gonna change any of that if we don't just play harder. If anything, I'd just include Lewis into the starting lineup while Battier isn't hitting anything.

Aside of that, the fact that my lineup mentioned above is the best one including Beasley has a reason: While Wade draws a lot of attention and creates space for Beas, it almost forces Beasley into the second option role, as in the beneficiary of the space. He gets the ball in his hands a lot with space, created by Wade, to operate. This allows him to do what he does best, score the basketball. Limited minutes off the bench also allow Beasley to play with balls out energy every night because he doesn't have to worry about playing 30+ minutes and conserving it. If he's tired, we'll find somebody to replace him. The 6th man energy guy role off the bench is perfect for him.

Aside of that, we're back with the overreactions already? For f***'s sake, Wade and Bird were out, we played terrible basketball against a team that always plays hard and got our ass kicked.
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Post#7 » by RexBoyWonder » Fri Dec 6, 2013 1:13 pm

I do think we have a problem with Battier/Haslem/Lewis starting next to Bosh. But putting Beasley in the starting 5 isn't really the answer.
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Post#8 » by dr3am » Fri Dec 6, 2013 1:30 pm

What a great thread. We need more threads like this. Well thought out

For 3 straight years as I recall, weren't we in the NBA Finals? And 2 of them we walked out with the Larry O'Brien trophy. Oh yea genius, let's just start our #1 energy guy off the bench. That's such a brilliant idea. Why we're at it, let's just play every single game in "December" like it's a Game 7. Oh yea our Coach (Who has won back-to-back championships) is just so hard headed for not starting Beasley. Spo doesn't know what he's doing, Let's just fire him for one of you RGM's on here who have 0 coaching experience under your belt. Btw Beasley did an excellent job guarding Taj Gibson last night /Green font

It should be a crime honestly for some of you to have a keyboard on here. Do you people honestly think before you type? This board is getting flat out embarrassing now
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Post#9 » by RexBoyWonder » Fri Dec 6, 2013 1:38 pm

wm3 wrote:What a great thread. We need more threads like this. Well thought out

For 3 straight years as I recall, weren't we in the NBA Finals? And 2 of them we walked out with the Larry O'Brien trophy. Oh yea genius, let's just start our #1 energy guy off the bench. That's such a brilliant idea. Why we're at it, let's just play every single game in "December" like it's a Game 7. Oh yea our Coach (Who has won back-to-back championships) is just so hard headed for not starting Beasley. Spo doesn't know what he's doing, Let's just fire him for one of you RGM's on hear who have 0 coaching experience under your belt. Btw Beasley did an excellent job guarding Taj Gibson last night /Green font

It should be a crime honestly for some of you to have a keyboard on here. Do you people honestly think before you type? This board is getting flat out embarrassing now


To be honest it's far more annoying to see people bitching about what other posters write then seeing people posting some questionable ideas. So he thinks Beas should start, big **** deal.
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Post#10 » by dr3am » Fri Dec 6, 2013 1:51 pm

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wm3 wrote:What a great thread. We need more threads like this. Well thought out

For 3 straight years as I recall, weren't we in the NBA Finals? And 2 of them we walked out with the Larry O'Brien trophy. Oh yea genius, let's just start our #1 energy guy off the bench. That's such a brilliant idea. Why we're at it, let's just play every single game in "December" like it's a Game 7. Oh yea our Coach (Who has won back-to-back championships) is just so hard headed for not starting Beasley. Spo doesn't know what he's doing, Let's just fire him for one of you RGM's on hear who have 0 coaching experience under your belt. Btw Beasley did an excellent job guarding Taj Gibson last night /Green font

It should be a crime honestly for some of you to have a keyboard on here. Do you people honestly think before you type? This board is getting flat out embarrassing now


To be honest it's far more annoying to see people bitching about what other posters write then seeing people posting some questionable ideas. So he thinks Beas should start, big **** deal.

To be honest, it's even more annoying to see people defending posters who come up with the same idiotic ideas. We've already got countless fans saying how Beasley should start in other threads. Woopty :censored: doo. We have a top 5 coach and he's proven to get it done when it matters. If you don't want to sit back and enjoy the ride then just hop off the bandwagon. That's the way I see it. Go hop on to the other teams and complain with other fans around the league who wish they we're in our position right now. We're I4-5 on the season and have the second seed on the East. I can't take any Heat fan seriously who complains about us losing just the 19th game of the regular season. How about going through a season watching your team win only 15 games...With that being said I'm done. I'm just going to kick back for the rest of the season and enjoy watching majority of you cry babies whine
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Post#11 » by Heat_Fan_87 » Fri Dec 6, 2013 1:59 pm

Bunch of kiddies overreacting in this thread, thats all I see.
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Post#12 » by truthiness » Fri Dec 6, 2013 2:27 pm

So glad I wasn't roaming these boards before 2010.
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Post#13 » by LoveMyHeat » Fri Dec 6, 2013 2:34 pm

Our problems this season have mainly been due to lack of energy and effort. This will obviously change later in the season and in the postseason. No need to overreact now.
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Post#14 » by Hoopz Afrik » Fri Dec 6, 2013 3:42 pm

I understand the sentiment that the NBA season is a marathon as oppopsed to a sprint and that it essential for a team with our championship aspirations to pace themselves but it's the lack of effort that is worrisome. Our lack of effort coupled with our lack of rebounding, whether by design or not, doesn't really bode well for the long run. The LeBron factor will always come into play and I expect him to go full super saiyan mode come mid January but we really have to find a way to play with some kind of moxie and stop allowing all these teams to gain confidence against us.
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Post#15 » by mopper8 » Fri Dec 6, 2013 4:21 pm

I've always thought December, when you're on 61-win pace, and have barely been healthy as a team, coming off back-to-back titles, is the time for bold changes.
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Post#16 » by RexBoyWonder » Fri Dec 6, 2013 4:37 pm

mopper8 wrote:I've always thought December, when you're on 61-win pace, and have barely been healthy as a team, coming off back-to-back titles, is the time for bold changes.


The fuuny thing is - starting Beasley ISN'T EVEN A BOLD MOVE.

Most of us see by now that's he's better then UD/Lewis/Battier and should get serious playing time. So how is the suggestion we start him is "bold"?

Don't really care if we or we don't, I just want him to get 25+ minutes per game. See nothing bold about playing him ahead of our old geezers.
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Post#17 » by Js2k0516 » Fri Dec 6, 2013 6:34 pm

Top 3 coach huh, Jim Carrey coached circles around him, and if not for a miracle 3 by Allen we would be 1-2 in the finals and each and everyone of you would be singing a different tune.

That's why it's bold, because it's obvious to everyone else, but this coach is so hard headed that it being bold is the only way to put it.

The heat fans love to say " lol we back to back champs over reaction". That's fine, if it didn't take us a miracle to win last year maybe I wouldn't be so worried. We aren't as good as some of you think, and our role players other than Beasley an cole are now even older, wades knees are worse than you think. If this is the team and lineup we head into the playoffs with, the pacers will destroy us. And when they do, or we lose in the finals, THEN everyone is gonna be like yea we need to do something lol. Open your eyes now, before it's to late
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Post#18 » by Gwynplaine » Fri Dec 6, 2013 8:06 pm

Js2k0516 wrote:Our starting lineup needs a change, these slow starts are KILLING the Heat. We are basically losing the game or playing catch up after the 1st quarter night in and night out.

We tried Haslem, it was horrible, we tried Battier, it wasn't much better, and with battier we are getting demolished on the boards. Battier has regressed far too much this year and that it is alarming.

The Answer? Beasley.

You can forget about slow starts, just not possible with Wade James Bosh Beasley out their at the same time.

Rebounding? He is no Kevin love lol but he rebounds better than Battier. He also boxes out much better.

With Beasley in the starting lineup, I guarantee we won't be playing catch up any longer.

Not all is good however, Beas starting leaves a real hole in our Bench. But I'm sure spo can rotate them around to where always atleast 1 of Wade James bosh Beas is out there.

I know, over reaction thread.....but is it? For 3 years now we have had slow starts, we have been a bad rebounding team. Also, like it or not, battier and Haslem are OLD. With Beas out their I guarantee Bosh's numbers will go up. The rebounding battle will be much closer.

Just try it for maybe 5-10 games, if it doesn't work just go back to Battier, but does spo just not wanna try because he is hard headed? Or because he literally has something against Beasley.


That should answer your question OP.
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Post#19 » by nbhadja » Fri Dec 6, 2013 11:03 pm

Js2k0516 wrote:Top 3 coach huh, Jim Carrey coached circles around him, and if not for a miracle 3 by Allen we would be 1-2 in the finals and each and everyone of you would be singing a different tune.

That's why it's bold, because it's obvious to everyone else, but this coach is so hard headed that it being bold is the only way to put it.

The heat fans love to say " lol we back to back champs over reaction". That's fine, if it didn't take us a miracle to win last year maybe I wouldn't be so worried. We aren't as good as some of you think, and our role players other than Beasley an cole are now even older, wades knees are worse than you think. If this is the team and lineup we head into the playoffs with, the pacers will destroy us. And when they do, or we lose in the finals, THEN everyone is gonna be like yea we need to do something lol. Open your eyes now, before it's to late


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Post#20 » by DefenseWins » Sat Dec 7, 2013 12:35 am

We always have slow starts, this isn't anything new. Even in the playoffs... which actually bothers me. In the playoffs you need to jump your team. I'm starting to think this team's philosophy is to "take the opponents punch, weather the storm, and attack". Sounds very Spo like.

It's all about effort. This team sometimes knows it's strength and might have too much confidence, which equates to them not taking other teams seriously, especially in the regular season.

Our defense has been an issue more than slow starts imo.

Also judging by a lot of interviews, this team has a motto : One game does not defy our season.

There's a lot of truth to that.

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