Discussion: Should the Bucks trade Larry Sanders?

[H2tObes]

Yes, lets trade Sander when his value is probably the lowest it will be

Larry brings fire and passion to the court. It's a breath of fresh air to see a player that actually cares when he's the wearing our jersey.

Sure, he's a knucklehead with technicals...but that can be fixed. Larry doesn't seem to be a bad person in the slightest, he just lets frustration get the best of him. His character issues are such a small price to play for elite defense at a premier position.

I also don't think any team values Larry as high as we do, trading him for pennies on the dollar would be stupid. We're better off just having Larry be a part of the core moving forward

[LedZepp007]

We should trade him for Monta Ellis straight up.

Let it go man, let it go. At least Monta didn't have any issues off the court.

I beg to disagree. Know your history:

http://www.sportingnews.com/nhl/story/2012-06-08/monta-ellis-sexual-harassment-golden-state-warriors-erika-smith

Don't forget the huge contract issue with the moped, etc.

[buckboy]

I have 3 kids and I was s***faced for all their births. They seem fine.

[Turk Nowitzki]

I have 3 kids and I was s***faced for all their births. They seem fine.

This killed me.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

find a top 15 center who had a preseason and 3 game stretch like sanders gave us this year. find a marginal starting center who sucked that bad. right... there isnt one.

my issue isnt so much his attitude..... my issue is his play. last year he had prime ervin johnson output on both sides of the ball. his attitude just exacerbates the fact that his play is always right on the edge of garbage. now that hes been paid i just cant wait to hear a bunch of excuses instead of seeing more effort. we already saw that b1tching start before he broke his hand throwing bottles at the locals. if sanders isnt playing 100% all out all the time he sucks. the insiders have said all along hes a dick in the lockerroom and you cant tell him anything. yeah lets make this clown the face of the team.

hes an overrated, overpaid center on a team trying to lose. hes in the way of henson. and hes an asshle.

deal him now while we still can. the issue isnt a barfight. its the 50 million thats circling in the toilet and about to disappear. 50 million that we still have a chance to stick on some other desperate teamand spend on something else. after all the mistakes weve made with clowns like this youd think wed learn on the team we have now.

[Brapman]

To answer the question above, regarding Josh Smith: the guy's a heckofa player, but in 5 years he'll be about 33 years old. Simply based on his age, I don't expect him to be a core member of the Pistons in that time. That's why I left him off the list.

The young core that will hopefully grow together is Drummond, Jennings, Monroe and KCP. Drummond is on a trajectory that could end in him being an MVP candidate, a true franchise/elite C. Monroe and Jennings could well be borderline all-stars to surround him, as could KCP. That's a group that could be together for 6-10 seasons.

Smith's an asset who I anticipate will be flipped in a few seasons for another younger asset. For example, if Tony Mitchell develops, that kid could be sensational and Smith could be moved along, not because we don't like him, but because Joe D would trade his granny if the deal was right for the team.

[Wooderson]

find a top 15 center who had a preseason and 3 game stretch like sanders gave us this year. find a marginal starting center who sucked that bad. right... there isnt one.

Bogut pubed it up the first two games of the FTD year and he seemed to do alright the rest of the year.

And why is the myth being perpetuated that Sanders was terrible in the preseason? He wasn't good on offense but was great on defense as was the teams D.

[H2tObes]

find a top 15 center who had a preseason and 3 game stretch like sanders gave us this year. find a marginal starting center who sucked that bad. right... there isnt one.

my issue isnt so much his attitude..... my issue is his play. last year he had prime ervin johnson output on both sides of the ball. his attitude just exacerbates the fact that his play is always right on the edge of garbage. now that hes been paid i just cant wait to hear a bunch of excuses instead of seeing more effort. we already saw that b1tching start before he broke his hand throwing bottles at the locals. if sanders isnt playing 100% all out all the time he sucks. the insiders have said all along hes a dick in the lockerroom and you cant tell him anything. yeah lets make this clown the face of the team.

hes an overrated, overpaid center on a team trying to lose. hes in the way of henson. and hes an asshle.

deal him now while we still can. the issue isnt a barfight. its the 50 million thats circling in the toilet and about to disappear. 50 million that we still have a chance to stick on some other desperate teamand spend on something else. after all the mistakes weve made with clowns like this youd think wed learn on the team we have now.

Wanting our best player gone based off 3 games is one of the most foolish things I can think of. Larry was playing a completely new system around completely new players. If you don't expect him to struggle out of the gate then I don't know what to tell you

Also, Henson will never be the defender Sanders is. The gap between Sanders and Hensons team defense is literally two different ends of a spectrum.

Ersan starts out every season looking like a scrub for at least a month, then gets comfortable and starts beasting..what if we traded him for extremely low value one of those years? That would've been seen as a huge mistake. Same thing goes for Sanders here.

[bizarro]

To answer the question above, regarding Josh Smith: the guy's a heckofa player...

I'm sorry, what was this part? It must be a bad signal. Is this a prank caller?!?!

Way too many 3's.
Terrible overall FG %
Shoots 50% from the line
Generally, a lazy player

Jennings and Smith were born to play together. Just wait until you actually play a meaningful game. Then, only then, will you see their true colors shining through.

[Lippo]

find a top 15 center who had a preseason and 3 game stretch like sanders gave us this year. find a marginal starting center who sucked that bad. right... there isnt one.

my issue isnt so much his attitude..... my issue is his play. last year he had prime ervin johnson output on both sides of the ball. his attitude just exacerbates the fact that his play is always right on the edge of garbage. now that hes been paid i just cant wait to hear a bunch of excuses instead of seeing more effort. we already saw that b1tching start before he broke his hand throwing bottles at the locals. if sanders isnt playing 100% all out all the time he sucks. the insiders have said all along hes a dick in the lockerroom and you cant tell him anything. yeah lets make this clown the face of the team.

hes an overrated, overpaid center on a team trying to lose. hes in the way of henson. and hes an asshle.

deal him now while we still can. the issue isnt a barfight. its the 50 million thats circling in the toilet and about to disappear. 50 million that we still have a chance to stick on some other desperate teamand spend on something else. after all the mistakes weve made with clowns like this youd think wed learn on the team we have now.

he has played 52 minutes this year, your comical

and if you are right, we should do it now, look how long it took us to dump Bogut and his overpaid broken down arse.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013 ... ks-sanders
Sanders vs Bogut 1-0
Player G W L GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
Larry Sanders 1 1 0 1 28.0 3.0 7.0 .429 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 2.0 7.0 9.0 2.0 0.0 3.0 1.0 5.0 6.0
Andrew Bogut 1 0 1 1 29.0 2.0 5.0 .400 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 2.0 7.0 9.0 4.0 0.0 1.0 3.0 4.0 4.0

even a GS beat writer states that Sanders is the best interior defender in the NBA.
"Sanders is widely recognized as being the best interior defender in the NBA today."
http://www.warriorsworld.net/2013/03/25 ... e-part-ii/

[Baddy Chuck]

Let it go man, let it go. At least Monta didn't have any issues off the court.

Besides the whole sexual harassment lawsuit and the whole lying about falling off a moped thing.

[InsideOut]

We don't know the future, but we can make educated guesses based on the evidence we have. An educated guess would be that a player who started off the year horrendously, got into a bar fight altercation, and has since been injured for a month has very low value. The chances of said player's value dropping from the current point is slim to none. How are you honestly arguing that?

I get that people are arguing just to argue because that's what this forum does. If people want to trade Sanders becasue they think he has a major attitude problem or mental issues, I can at least buy that argument even though I disagree with it. But to talk about trade value and past players, when Sanders is currently sitting at without question the lowest trade value of his career today, is not logical. Sorry, it just isn't.

If we're going to use the "nobody can tell the future" stuff for every argument we might as well not debate anything.

Seems to me you are the only one that is allowed to make an educated guess. Any opinion different than yours isn’t an educated guess but is instead ridiculous. And we made educated guesses on JA, Yi, Redd that turned out to be wrong... I’d love to know while our educated guesses could end up being so wrong on those guys but it would be ridiculous to think we could be wrong about Larry.

If you agree nobody can tell the future then why is your opion the only correct one? Why is it ridiculous for anyone to think Larry might have more issues this season? Why is it ridiculous for anyone to think Larry might struggle when he gets back into the lineup? Honestly, you feel nobody with an ounce common sense could have the opinion that Larry might get himself in more trouble and hurt his value even more? The odds of such a thing happening is so ridiculous that a person with that opinion can't be serious and is just arguing to argue. I must say you take being sure of yourself to a whole new level.

[ChuckBros4Life]

To answer the question above, regarding Josh Smith: the guy's a heckofa player, but in 5 years he'll be about 33 years old. Simply based on his age, I don't expect him to be a core member of the Pistons in that time. That's why I left him off the list.

The young core that will hopefully grow together is Drummond, Jennings, Monroe and KCP. Drummond is on a trajectory that could end in him being an MVP candidate, a true franchise/elite C. Monroe and Jennings could well be borderline all-stars to surround him, as could KCP. That's a group that could be together for 6-10 seasons.

Smith's an asset who I anticipate will be flipped in a few seasons for another younger asset. For example, if Tony Mitchell develops, that kid could be sensational and Smith could be moved along, not because we don't like him, but because Joe D would trade his granny if the deal was right for the team.

It is ironic that the guy who was the their "big free agent acquisition" is the guy who holds them back from being a top 10 team. Not sure why they had to panic and sign him just to sign someone. And it won't be easy to trade him for a starting SF with the contract they gave him. He's your classic talented, but lazy player.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Wanting our best player gone based off 3 games is one of the most foolish things I can think of. Larry was playing a completely new system around completely new players. If you don't expect him to struggle out of the gate then I don't know what to tell you

i want him gone off his body of work. ive seen him now for years. hes a flawed, inconsistent player with mental issues. this isnt a 3 game thing for me. if were committed to rebuild then we need to quit staking our fortunes on players like this.

Also, Henson will never be the defender Sanders is. The gap between Sanders and Hensons team defense is literally two different ends of a spectrum.

henson look sjust like sanders did his 1st couple years. only difference is that henson can actually score, is more likely to put on weight, and is still on a rookie contract. we can play him at center 36 minutes a game and see what weve got while we lose like crazy.

Ersan starts out every season looking like a scrub for at least a month, then gets comfortable and starts beasting..what if we traded him for extremely low value one of those years? That would've been seen as a huge mistake. Same thing goes for Sanders here.

we need to trade ersan too. hes inconsistant, and flawed even when hes good. ersan ilyasove is taking us nowhere and over the course of a total rebuild will continue to stand in the way of the development of other future players as well.

trade both for some young fresh blood. both are pointless on this roster. i didnt want to tank but now that we are im down. the playbook for this tank you guys have been giving me for years. trading sanders and ersan over the course of the next season to teams trying to win should be priority #1 and #2.

[xTitan]

We don't know the future, but we can make educated guesses based on the evidence we have. An educated guess would be that a player who started off the year horrendously, got into a bar fight altercation, and has since been injured for a month has very low value. The chances of said player's value dropping from the current point is slim to none. How are you honestly arguing that?

I get that people are arguing just to argue because that's what this forum does. If people want to trade Sanders becasue they think he has a major attitude problem or mental issues, I can at least buy that argument even though I disagree with it. But to talk about trade value and past players, when Sanders is currently sitting at without question the lowest trade value of his career today, is not logical. Sorry, it just isn't.

If we're going to use the "nobody can tell the future" stuff for every argument we might as well not debate anything.

Seems to me you are the only one that is allowed to make an educated guess. Any opinion different than yours isn’t an educated guess but is instead ridiculous. And we made educated guesses on JA, Yi, Redd that turned out to be wrong... I’d love to know while our educated guesses could end up being so wrong on those guys but it would be ridiculous to think we could be wrong about Larry.

If you agree nobody can tell the future then why is your opion the only correct one? Why is it ridiculous for anyone to think Larry might have more issues this season? Why is it ridiculous for anyone to think Larry might struggle when he gets back into the lineup? Honestly, you feel nobody with an ounce common sense could have the opinion that Larry might get himself in more trouble and hurt his value even more? The odds of such a thing happening is so ridiculous that a person with that opinion can't be serious and is just arguing to argue. I must say you take being sure of yourself to a whole new level.

Lol first time you have read his sh**? There is no one more arrogant or self absorbed.

[trwi7]

There is no one more arrogant or self absorbed.

Except you.

[Baddy Chuck]

Spoiler:

Wanting our best player gone based off 3 games is one of the most foolish things I can think of. Larry was playing a completely new system around completely new players. If you don't expect him to struggle out of the gate then I don't know what to tell you

i want him gone off his body of work. ive seen him now for years. hes a flawed, inconsistent player with mental issues. this isnt a 3 game thing for me. if were committed to rebuild then we need to quit staking our fortunes on players like this.

Also, Henson will never be the defender Sanders is. The gap between Sanders and Hensons team defense is literally two different ends of a spectrum.

henson look sjust like sanders did his 1st couple years. only difference is that henson can actually score, is more likely to put on weight, and is still on a rookie contract. we can play him at center 36 minutes a game and see what weve got while we lose like crazy.

Ersan starts out every season looking like a scrub for at least a month, then gets comfortable and starts beasting..what if we traded him for extremely low value one of those years? That would've been seen as a huge mistake. Same thing goes for Sanders here.

we need to trade ersan too. hes inconsistant, and flawed even when hes good. ersan ilyasove is taking us nowhere and over the course of a total rebuild will continue to stand in the way of the development of other future players as well.

trade both for some young fresh blood. both are pointless on this roster. i didnt want to tank but now that we are im down. the playbook for this tank you guys have been giving me for years. trading sanders and ersan over the course of the next season to teams trying to win should be priority #1 and #2.

If we're all in on a multiple year tank I'd be all for trading Sanders, but I'd pretty much bet if we did get a good pick this season we'd just be back to business as usual and try to surround him with "good" players like we did with Bogut. And we aren't going to be trading for a better player then Sanders.

[LUKE23]

Everyone is allowed to make educated guesses. I just don't believe thinking it's likely that Sanders trade value is going to go down from it's current state is an educated guess. That seems more agenda driven than anything. And it being LIKELY that his trade value goes down from where it currently is is the only scenario where trading him right now makes sense.

[LUKE23]

If we're all in on a multiple year tank I'd be all for trading Sanders, but I'd pretty much bet if we did get a good pick this season we'd just be back to business as usual and try to surround him with "good" players like we did with Bogut. And we aren't going to be trading for a better player then Sanders.

Honestly, if we land a Parker/Wiggins caliber player, I don't think we need another tank anyway. But even if we did trade Sanders and then drafted say Parker, we wouldn' be bad enough next year regardless. Trading an elite defender makes little sense, under any scenario where someone is hoping the Bucks build a contender in the next few years.

[LUKE23]

And Henson is more likely to put on weight than Sanders? What?