Omer Asik Trade - Updated link pg.109

[DorfonCeltics]

Looks like he may be available. Reports read Houston wants a 1st round draft pick back. Could he be our starting Center next to Sully? How about:

Courtney Lee
LAC 2015 1st round pick

for

Omer Asik

Works in the trade checker. Asik's contract goes up to $15mil next year but it's only $5mil this year. It's only $5mil more than Courtney's contract over the next 3 years.

Would Houston do this?

[ddb]

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[humblebum]

I don't think the Celtics are in a position to go into the tax this season and Asik just seems like a misguided investment for a team that's not ready to contend for anything substantial. Also, I have no interest in dealing off picks just yet. I like Ainge's eye for talent and I think this system has a track record of developing value in guys.

I'd possibly trade spare pieces for Asik though. Bass/Lee/Wallace/Hump etc.

[Captain_Caveman]

Only works if we dump off more salary than his cap number, in order to help offset his balloon payment next offseason.

Bass, a pick and either one of Bogans or Lee is my ceiling on that. Maybe work in Faverani if they want him.

[Fencer reregistered]

I'd like him here for my wife's sake; she'd be thrilled to have a Turk on the team.

But his whining to get out of town in Houston worries me somewhat. Nobody could blame him for saying "If they don't play me, I hope they trade me for somebody more useful", and adding a bit of an edge when he said it. But he seems to have gone quite a bit further than that.

[KGboss]

I'd like him here for my wife's sake; she'd be thrilled to have a Turk on the team.

But his whining to get out of town in Houston worries me somewhat. Nobody could blame him for saying "If they don't play me, I hope they trade me for somebody more useful", and adding a bit of an edge when he said it. But he seems to have gone quite a bit further than that.

Well he was the starting center and got demoted to a 15 mpg bench role player.

I wouldnt be happy if i was him either. Hes more talented than that.

[Andrew McCeltic]

We probably won't get a player as good as Asik with that Clippers pick..


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[avi623]

He's one of the best defensive players in the league and would be great next to Sully. He only has one year left on his deal (as opposed to Green's two), so I would seriously consider a swap built around Asik for Green (with other picks/minor names involved). Not sure how that would affect Wyc's tax payments next year though, with Asik's poison pill final year on that deal. But the price from Houston's end would start with Green. They are looking for a stretch 4 and maybe a backup SF for Chandler Parsons. Green can fit the bill at both spots (though his anemic rebounding numbers would be pathetic even for a stretch 4). They have no interest in Courtney Lee, and they will get better offers from other teams. The LAC first rounder is also probably meaningless to them, since that's in the 20s.

Green's inability to pass or rebound still infuriates me (since he did both fairly well in college), but the team is playing well enough that it's probably not worth it, and especially so, since the Celtics are playing with house money right now, just trying to see what we currently have. Bringing in someone who will come off the books after next season and probably wouldn't be in our long-term plans after that doesn't really seem like a prudent play.

[Fencer reregistered]

It should be Bass + Clippers pick, actually, given Houston's needs.

Will they really get more than that for Asik?

[klemen4]

Interesting thing is I do not see a lot of teams who may need or want Asik?

Which team does not have a center?

- ATL, but with Milsap signed as pf and Horford at c and dont think they would be interested.
Do not see other Eastern team in need of Asik, all have center position covered.

In West there are more options but again not a lot.
- DAL maybe with Dalambert at center would need upgrade
- NOP, yes again Anderson for Asik option looks the best for HOU but I dont think NOP are interested
- POR, if they want to upgrade Lopez

There is not a lot of competition imo. Besides NOP with Anderson imo we have the second best package with Bass!

Bass+LAC pick is max what I would offer and I do not think they can get better offer!

But is Danny interested?

[brackdan70]

Looks like he may be available. Reports read Houston wants a 1st round draft pick back. Could he be our starting Center next to Sully? How about:

Courtney Lee
LAC 2015 1st round pick

for

Omer Asik

Works in the trade checker. Asik's contract goes up to $15mil next year but it's only $5mil this year. It's only $5mil more than Courtney's contract over the next 3 years.

Would Houston do this?

Salary counts as 8.8 million for trade purposes. I think it works, but the Cs would the go over the tax...not ideal.

Lee + Bass and a pick, or Hump and a pick would make more sense for the Cs and still works under CBA I think.

[Slartibartfast]

Only works if we dump off more salary than his cap number, in order to help offset his balloon payment next offseason.

Bass, a pick and either one of Bogans or Lee is my ceiling on that. Maybe work in Faverani if they want him.

The balloon payment matters about as much as Brad Stevens' salary - it could factor in to Wyc & co's financial planning, but not in terms of the tax/CBA trade restrictions, unless I'm missing something.

Bass/Faverani/pick does make some sense, though. A veteran alternate at the 4, a decent back-up prospect at the 5 and a pick. Though I remember someone claiming that Howard didn't like playing with Bass in Orlando.

I wonder if we could somehow get Houston interested in Crash. They could definitely use some defensive ability - Harden/Parsons is a pretty rough defensive duo. Plus Crash makes a fine small ball 4 for a dedicate up-tempo team. And they aren't likely to be free agent players in the near future with Howard/Harden locked up so the money doesn't hurt quite as bad. Attach a couple picks and Faverani to Wallace and I wonder if Houston bites.

[Captain_Caveman]

Only works if we dump off more salary than his cap number, in order to help offset his balloon payment next offseason.

Bass, a pick and either one of Bogans or Lee is my ceiling on that. Maybe work in Faverani if they want him.

The balloon payment matters about as much as Brad Stevens' salary - it could factor in to Wyc & co's financial planning, but not in terms of the tax/CBA trade restrictions, unless I'm missing something.

Bass/Faverani/pick does make some sense, though. A veteran alternate at the 4, a decent back-up prospect at the 5 and a pick. Though I remember someone claiming that Howard didn't like playing with Bass in Orlando.

I wonder if we could somehow get Houston interested in Crash. They could definitely use some defensive ability - Harden/Parsons is a pretty rough defensive duo. Plus Crash makes a fine small ball 4 for a dedicate up-tempo team. And they aren't likely to be free agent players in the near future with Howard/Harden locked up so the money doesn't hurt quite as bad. Attach a couple picks and Faverani to Wallace and I wonder if Houston bites.

On Stevens - Not that highly paid. Getting half of what Doc is this year. A little above average among all coaches, but inflation should not him down the list a bit in future seasons.

I don't see them taking on Crash, although I'd be down with that, for sure.

[sully00]

This is a win now move so you definitely don't include Green and really I am not sure you want to include Bass.

Based on the reporting here http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2013/12/rock ... trade.html Boston may in fact be a fit

My guess is that HOU realizes there isn't a great fit for Asik and with a bunch of capped out, no draft pick pseudo contenders on the ropes Morey is going to have to probably make two or three moves to get what he wants. Hence the early deadline.

While Boston probably isn't offering him nearly what he wants he probably get what he needs. Hump and the Clipper pick give Morey some ammo to use at the trade deadline or ride Hump as a useful PF next to Howard and the Clippers can free up some salary for the off season. With a deal like this and a bump in the cap the Rockets could have 10 mil under the cap next off season.

It would seem like HOU has a deal in hand and that is why they are pressing a deadline to get other teams to put up an offer. With reports of the Knick's and Melo's preoccupation with Boston's PG you can see why it might be important to right this ship a little quicker than expected especially if opportunity is knocking.

[Slartibartfast]

This is a win now move so you definitely don't include Green and really I am not sure you want to include Bass.

Based on the reporting here http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2013/12/rock ... trade.html Boston may in fact be a fit

My guess is that HOU realizes there isn't a great fit for Asik and with a bunch of capped out, no draft pick pseudo contenders on the ropes Morey is going to have to probably make two or three moves to get what he wants. Hence the early deadline.

While Boston probably isn't offering him nearly what he wants he probably get what he needs. Hump and the Clipper pick give Morey some ammo to use at the trade deadline or ride Hump as a useful PF next to Howard and the Clippers can free up some salary for the off season. With a deal like this and a bump in the cap the Rockets could have 10 mil under the cap next off season.

It would seem like HOU has a deal in hand and that is why they are pressing a deadline to get other teams to put up an offer. With reports of the Knick's and Melo's preoccupation with Boston's PG you can see why it might be important to right this ship a little quicker than expected especially if opportunity is knocking.

I think Hump + Fav + a pick is a winning offer.

Rondo/Bradley/Green/Sully/Asik with a Crawford/Lee/Wallace/Bass/KO bench is a pretty strong team. Plus plenty of assets for more moves in the offseason.

[zronv7]

don't want Asik if we'd have to give up a pick for him. Would get rid of Bass and Lee for him though.

[Celtics_History_Lesson]

Asik has shown how stupid he is, no reason for Boston to pay him $15,000,000 for one season of his attitude.

Asik wants money, he gets it. If Asik wants to win a championship, and that should be a reason why players are in the NBA, then Houston is the place for him. That he can't be bothered playing behind, and sometimes next to, Dwight Howard, shows how team success means so little to him. He is acting like Turkoglu, he could have stayed with the Spurs and won but wanted to go elsewhere for more money, then had a chance to win with Orlando but wanted to go elsewhere for a lot more money.

Also, if Asik is sending a proverbial slap to the face of his coach then Asik is already demeaning the Celtics. Did McHale cry and demand a trade to leave a winning team because he was coming off the bench, he did not.

If Houston want Wallace and Lee and Faverani for Asik, then do it so Asik can expire next season and clear cap room. But overpaying in a trade to overpay Asik for one season of his wanting some magical spotlight doesn't make sense.

NBA teams need to be smarter, Houston is trying to get out of paying a huge amount of money next season to a crybaby. Don't offer them picks, don't offer an expiring contract, and Boston doesn't need to give Houston value for a Rocket who in some ways is this year's version of Royce White, but with a much bigger contract.

[SuperDeluxe]

Asik has shown how stupid he is, no reason for Boston to pay him $15,000,000 for one season of his attitude.

Asik wants money, he gets it. If Asik wants to win a championship, and that should be a reason why players are in the NBA, then Houston is the place for him.

(...)

NBA teams need to be smarter, Houston is trying to get out of paying a huge amount of money next season to a crybaby.

I think Asik showing some discontent about his diminished minutes really played into Houston's plans to get rid of his contract. You have to remember that Asik was signed when no one in Houston (or Asik himself) knew that Dwight Howard would end up signing with them later on. The moment Howard signed, not only did Asik's and Howard's roles start overlapping, but also their salaries combined make up for 50% of the Rockets' payroll next season. So regardless of Asik crying or not, there is just no way in the world for Asik to stay with the Rockets. I think everybody knew this, and Asik's complaints are just noise in the background.

[sully00]

Yeah I don't have a problem with Asik wanting to be traded. The Rockets used him. They signed him and showed some progress then went and got Howard and told him to eat 15 mpg. He doesn't have a 7 year deal he has a 3 year deal. Nobody is going to pay him in two years for what he did last year. There is no comparison between his situation and Kevin McHale.

[Marvel]

I'd like him here for my wife's sake; she'd be thrilled to have a Turk on the team.

But his whining to get out of town in Houston worries me somewhat. Nobody could blame him for saying "If they don't play me, I hope they trade me for somebody more useful", and adding a bit of an edge when he said it. But he seems to have gone quite a bit further than that.

Well he was the starting center and got demoted to a 15 mpg bench role player.

I wouldnt be happy if i was him either. Hes more talented than that.

Exactly. I'd be pissed If I got demoted because of soe guy was 'more popular'. Even if he was better. Asik is a good talented player and he certainly did not deserve to be treated like trade bait as soon as that douchebag D12 came to town.