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Discussion: Should the Bucks trade Larry Sanders?

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Re: Discussion: Should the Bucks trade Larry Sanders? 

Post#241 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Fri Dec 6, 2013 10:08 pm

LUKE23 wrote: But to talk about trade value and past players, when Sanders is currently sitting at without question the lowest trade value of his career today, is not logical. Sorry, it just isn't.


for the bulk of larry sanders career hes had no trade value to speak of. then boom he has a bunch of value that peaked at the end of last season. the second he signed that contract it started dropping and its dropped ever since. im literaly fearful what will happen next to his value when he steps back on the court for this awful awful team playing for nothing.

i predict it continues to drop until his contract makes him impossible to unload. i think hes that bad of an investment. 50 million dollars of motivation from last year is gone.... and now its gauranteed. my god im scared to put this guy back on the floor with nothing to play for. the league is littered with stories about guys like this. take the first decent offer you can get. hopefully we can sack the team wiling to make an idiotic offer for asik with something useful for sanders instead.
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Re: Discussion: Should the Bucks trade Larry Sanders? 

Post#242 » by LUKE23 » Fri Dec 6, 2013 10:17 pm

The bulk of his career, outside of the most recent full season. Small details.
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Re: Discussion: Should the Bucks trade Larry Sanders? 

Post#243 » by blazza18 » Fri Dec 6, 2013 10:22 pm

Lippo wrote:The dude was invited to the Team USA camp.. hes a top 30-40 player the game when his head is on right, give him a break. All the Bogut love, don't get it, he's a #1 overall that can't get into an all-star game, Hes Brad Miller with out a jump shot or the free throw %. Hes about = to Marvin Williams as a bust. Hes not even the best center on his team even though hes 6-7 years younger.


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Re: Discussion: Should the Bucks trade Larry Sanders? 

Post#244 » by Baddy Chuck » Fri Dec 6, 2013 10:25 pm

LUKE23 wrote:Honestly, if we land a Parker/Wiggins caliber player, I don't think we need another tank anyway. But even if we did trade Sanders and then drafted say Parker, we wouldn' be bad enough next year regardless. Trading an elite defender makes little sense, under any scenario where someone is hoping the Bucks build a contender in the next few years.

I personally don't think even with Wiggins or Parker you are that close to a contender and if you trade Sanders (and Ersan) you could be back in the (fairly high) lottery next season.
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Re: Discussion: Should the Bucks trade Larry Sanders? 

Post#245 » by LUKE23 » Fri Dec 6, 2013 10:32 pm

I definitely think you're a contender moving forward rolling with a Parker or Wiggins/Giannis/Henson/Sanders core. That's under the assumption Larry is Larry of last year. That's a damn good core.
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Re: Discussion: Should the Bucks trade Larry Sanders? 

Post#246 » by El Duderino » Fri Dec 6, 2013 10:36 pm

Baddy Chuck wrote:If we got insane value in young players/picks for him I'd trade him, just like I'd trade anyone on this team.

Trading him just to trade him? Nope.


That's it's for me

The only pretty much untouchable player on the team is Giannis. For anyone else, whether to make a trade or not depends entirely on the trade details.

Just randomly asking if so and so player should be traded without saying for what is basically a waste of time because whether any trade is ever a smart one or not depends entirely on all aspects of the trade.
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Re: Discussion: Should the Bucks trade Larry Sanders? 

Post#247 » by Baddy Chuck » Fri Dec 6, 2013 10:38 pm

LUKE23 wrote:I definitely think you're a contender moving forward rolling with a Parker or Wiggins/Giannis/Henson/Sanders core. That's under the assumption Larry is Larry of last year. That's a damn good core.

Meh, I'm not completely sold on Giannis being your second star and Henson/Sanders being a contending frontcourt. I think you can be a very good team with that core, but I'm far, far from sold on it being a contender.
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Re: Discussion: Should the Bucks trade Larry Sanders? 

Post#248 » by Nebula1 » Fri Dec 6, 2013 10:40 pm

Baddy Chuck wrote:
LUKE23 wrote:I definitely think you're a contender moving forward rolling with a Parker or Wiggins/Giannis/Henson/Sanders core. That's under the assumption Larry is Larry of last year. That's a damn good core.

Meh, I'm not completely sold on Giannis being your second star and Henson/Sanders being a contending frontcourt. I think you can be a very good team with that core, but I'm far, far from sold on it being a contender.



Convinced he's your primary star then? Yeah, me too. :D
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Re: Discussion: Should the Bucks trade Larry Sanders? 

Post#249 » by H2tObes » Fri Dec 6, 2013 10:42 pm

It all hinges on what Giannis turns into.
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Re: Discussion: Should the Bucks trade Larry Sanders? 

Post#250 » by Baddy Chuck » Fri Dec 6, 2013 10:45 pm

Nebula1 wrote:
Baddy Chuck wrote:
LUKE23 wrote:I definitely think you're a contender moving forward rolling with a Parker or Wiggins/Giannis/Henson/Sanders core. That's under the assumption Larry is Larry of last year. That's a damn good core.

Meh, I'm not completely sold on Giannis being your second star and Henson/Sanders being a contending frontcourt. I think you can be a very good team with that core, but I'm far, far from sold on it being a contender.



Convinced he's your primary star then? Yeah, me too. :D

I think he's going to be a very good player, I just don't know if he's the #2 guy on a championship team, especially if your #3 is mediocre (and the fit of your 4/5 isn't ideal). I'd feel much safer with Giannis being your #3 and getting a guy to space the floor next to Larry.
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Re: Discussion: Should the Bucks trade Larry Sanders? 

Post#251 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Fri Dec 6, 2013 11:37 pm

here... something like this

milwaukee
out.. ersan, sanders
in... waiters, zeller, larkin, b wright, crowder

cleveland
out.. waiters, varajao, zeller
in... ersan, sanders

dallas
out.. b wright, larkin, crowder
in... varajao

or
sanders for b wright, larkin, crowder
or
ersan to houston and sanders to cleveland with youth coming back and dallas cut out

but whatever....both those flawed, headcase, inconsistent, play one side of the court players could get us a ton of new semi decent young guys. we just to pull the trigger now on guys like that. win now is friggin over. lets get our heads out of our asses and quit believing were ever gonna win anytime soon with those 2 somehow anchoring a frontcourt.
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Re: Discussion: Should the Bucks trade Larry Sanders? 

Post#252 » by theFireBlanket » Fri Dec 6, 2013 11:39 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/GeryWoelfel/status/409095554723897344[/tweet]

If that's the league wide perception, you definitely do not make a trade right now.
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Re: Discussion: Should the Bucks trade Larry Sanders? 

Post#253 » by Wooderson » Fri Dec 6, 2013 11:45 pm

"Gery Woelfel on Bucks trading Larry Sanders..."

FTFY Gery. His thighs must be blistering red given how hard he's riding Sanders 24/7. If Caron had been in a similar situation Woelfel would be applauding him for interacting with his fans on a personal level.
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Re: Discussion: Should the Bucks trade Larry Sanders? 

Post#254 » by Baddy Chuck » Fri Dec 6, 2013 11:46 pm

GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:but whatever....both those flawed, headcase, inconsistent, play one side of the court players could get us a ton of new semi decent young guys.

And the really only "semi decent young guy" in that trade coming back to us is a flawed, headcase, inconsistent, play one side of the court player :lol: .
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Re: Discussion: Should the Bucks trade Larry Sanders? 

Post#255 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Fri Dec 6, 2013 11:53 pm

theFireBlanket wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/GeryWoelfel/status/409095554723897344[/tweet]

If that's the league wide perception, you definitely do not make a trade right now.


great. pile of dung value already.

but if a team calls and we can dump him now.... then lets say no because clearing a 50 million dollar turd sandwich isnt maximizing our assets enough :roll:
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Re: Discussion: Should the Bucks trade Larry Sanders? 

Post#256 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Fri Dec 6, 2013 11:58 pm

Baddy Chuck wrote:
GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:but whatever....both those flawed, headcase, inconsistent, play one side of the court players could get us a ton of new semi decent young guys.

And the really only "semi decent young guy" in that trade coming back to us is a flawed, headcase, inconsistent, play one side of the court player :lol: .


fair enough.... but very young and loaded with talent. he'd put up stupid numbers on our junk teams the next couple years. plus id say larkin is a decent get considering our pg situation. crowder is decent enough. zeller sucks. b wright is salary filler.
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Re: Discussion: Should the Bucks trade Larry Sanders? 

Post#257 » by Wooderson » Fri Dec 6, 2013 11:59 pm

Yeah, lets dump Sanders for expirings because management is so stellar with cap space! Bring on $11 million per year of Zaza/Delfino/Neal! Excellent idea!

If Sanders value is that low (which is absurd, taking anything Gery says seriously if it concerns Sanders is nuts) then you would have no reason to deal him since his value can't get lower than expiring contracts from the Bucks perspective.

Woelfel likely has sources within the Bucks organization, but I doubt he does anywhere else.
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Re: Discussion: Should the Bucks trade Larry Sanders? 

Post#258 » by blazza18 » Fri Dec 6, 2013 11:59 pm

GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:
theFireBlanket wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/GeryWoelfel/status/409095554723897344[/tweet]

If that's the league wide perception, you definitely do not make a trade right now.


great. pile of dung value already.

but if a team calls and we can dump him now.... then lets say no because clearing a 50 million dollar turd sandwich isnt maximizing our assets enough :roll:


Yea, lets just take back crap value because we can.
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Re: Discussion: Should the Bucks trade Larry Sanders? 

Post#259 » by Wooderson » Sat Dec 7, 2013 12:00 am

Hammond = NBA exec

Hammond is just really bad at leaking info. You're supposed to inflate his value, not lower it Bone.
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Re: Discussion: Should the Bucks trade Larry Sanders? 

Post#260 » by randy84 » Sat Dec 7, 2013 12:08 am

Remember when Michael Redd was untouchable...and Bogut...and Ersan...and Jennings.

Asset management FTW!

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