BACKUP Game Thread - Wizards vs Magic (12/2/13)

[dobrojim]

Ves is NOT AN ALL-STAR, but he is better than Singleton, Maynor, and Temple. He does a lot that does not show on the stat sheet. If you are at a game watch him. If anything he can be used to tire bigs with his constant movement.

You mean aimlessly wondering

and when he's not aimlessly wondering, he can pointedly wander.

[hands11]

I really like the lineup of
Wall/Ariza/Webster/Gortat/Nene

I really like Ves being inserted randomly in that lineup. So many fans want to cheer for him. He is such an energy guy. The refs have it out for him. There were 2-3 fouls on Ves that CLEARLY should have gone the other way. Players/Refs pick on him. I'd get frustrated too.

Gortat is a beast defensively, but I'm not overly impressed with his offense. The one quality I like about him, causes him to be a liability...he gets emotional. If someone scores on him, he will keep the ball and try to do the same (bad shot and all). He is such a badass! Vic and him were battling soo much. I really like the Nene/Gortat combo. They will bang with the best of them.

Booker is a "black hole" He rarely passed the ball. It's a quality that concerns me.

GRJ, sigh, people were screaming for him to be put in the game. I have no idea why. He looked like a dear in headlights his past games and played 1 on 5 this game. Funny, when he was finally put in...the guy behind me said he was going to take 7 shots...In the span of 1 min he took three. GRJ = Kobe ilght. I think he is a 2nd round pick that needs more development.

If Porter is a good facilitator, I'd love to see a Porter/Beal dominated lineup that takes a Harden type role. I really like Beal, but I'd rather have two of him vs 1. If Ariza and Webster are stalking the corner three, Wall up top with Nene/Gortat in the middle...that is one awesome starting 5. With Porter/Beal as the "sixth man", that lineup will not give up leads. The problem is I don't know if Porter/Beal can create their own shot.

That's were Ves comes in.. Did you see him driving to the rack against Orlando...

Just kidding. I mean he did do that but he isn't the answer to that problem. The player we are missing is Crawford. He has handles, can pass and can create his own shot. And he will rebound. If we had Crawford vs Manyor, that second unit would look a lot better.

We will have to see how good Otto's handles are. Beal's are getting better. Not good just yet but better.

Back to Ves. He was really battling last night. He defiantly is getting tougher, he looks stronger and I think he gets it more. And on that drive, he did get fouled. It was a nice drive from the top of the key. Got to the line 6 times in 19 minutes. That's what I expected would happen once he stopped fearing going to the line. He only made 2-6 but I think he trusts the form he is using now and I agree, it is better. Hopefully he gets a feel for it. Right now is one of those critical point for him. He has to make at least 65% of those FTs. If he does, he will build confidence in making offensive moves like that one or pump faking for the foul.

I noticed at least two of the missed they were long. I think that is because he doesn't trust just using his arms to shoot yet. With no knees in his motion, he probably thinks it will fall short. I think with practice, this form is going to work for him. He just has to settle down and trust it. He could get to 67-70% with this. I can live with that for now.

20 minutes a game of fighting in the post, fronting players and boxing out, tipping balls, 1-2 steals, some quality board 5-6 total, 4-6 pts and a couple drawn fouls for free throws.... that works given he is 7-0 and athletic.

I see progress.

[hands11]

Jan is ok if he sticks with what he does well. He's still decent on help defense, still a good hustle player, still a fairly decent offensive rebounder (with those crazy Rodman-style volleyball rebounds). Still a decent team player on offense and defense and should continue to make cuts. Should not look for a jump shot but take it if the defense gives him time. If he would get his head straight his jump shot would come back. He was not this bad in Europe.

He's skinny and can be bullied, he needs to learn how to flop constantly, Reggie Miller style. Last game he was doing it a little and it at least got into his opponent's head somewhat. He tried bulking up last season and that took away all his athleticism, so he's going to have to learn to play at a lower weight, force the refs to call offensive fouls. He needs to go to full defcon 5 Vlade Divac flopping mode. Drop like you've been shot by a sniper every time you are grabbed, bumped, or tripped.

He's learning to get away with a little secret hip check on screens.

He shouldn't post up, or ever stop moving on offense for any reason. Basically needs to use his brain to maximize his advantages and minimize his disadvantages, and he can be a decent backup PF, worth a bi-annual exception or so.

I noticed some new boxing out skills. More leverage. Also notice Gortat run up to him at a time out. Ves is Gortat's student for sure. I think Gortat got a better student then Nene did. Gortat has been great for Wall teaching him how to pick and roll and he is also good for Ves. Actually, I think he is good for Nene as well. Nene seems happier. The Gortat addition is more then just his individual production.

Nene - Its a Good Thing

http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos ... me-12-2-13

[jeffsays]

+1

in fact, I may want to sell my tix for Friday night, almost a sure W vs MIL.

My daughter's team has a game that evening, starts at 530 (Reston), so if I went to
the zards game, I would be late and I hate being late.

Wish I could go to this one but unfortunately my company's holiday party is this Friday

[Brazil88]

Jan is ok if he sticks with what he does well. He's still decent on help defense, still a good hustle player, still a fairly decent offensive rebounder (with those crazy Rodman-style volleyball rebounds). Still a decent team player on offense and defense and should continue to make cuts. Should not look for a jump shot but take it if the defense gives him time. If he would get his head straight his jump shot would come back. He was not this bad in Europe.

He's skinny and can be bullied, he needs to learn how to flop constantly, Reggie Miller style. Last game he was doing it a little and it at least got into his opponent's head somewhat. He tried bulking up last season and that took away all his athleticism, so he's going to have to learn to play at a lower weight, force the refs to call offensive fouls. He needs to go to full defcon 5 Vlade Divac flopping mode. Drop like you've been shot by a sniper every time you are grabbed, bumped, or tripped.

He's learning to get away with a little secret hip check on screens.

He shouldn't post up, or ever stop moving on offense for any reason. Basically needs to use his brain to maximize his advantages and minimize his disadvantages, and he can be a decent backup PF, worth a bi-annual exception or so.

I noticed some new boxing out skills. More leverage. Also notice Gortat run up to him at a time out. Ves is Gortat's student for sure. I think Gortat got a better student then Nene did. Gortat has been great for Wall teaching him how to pick and roll and he is also good for Ves. Actually, I think he is good for Nene as well. Nene seems happier. The Gortat addition is more then just his individual production.

Nene - Its a Good Thing

http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos ... me-12-2-13

Yeah, Gortat seems like a very good addition to this organization, on and off the court.

BTW, how come Nene's english is THIS bad, being in the USA for more than a decade ? I mean, his wife speaks better portuguese than Nene speaks english. I can hardly understand half the things he says.

[mohammed10]

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Mods, please delete this in case FAH comes in to do a game thread. Just dropping this on the board in case he's somehow been kidnapped or is trapped under something heavy and can't get to a computer to do his duty and start a game thread.

Points of interest for tonight's game:

1. Nene will sacrifice and play with a sore wheel.

2. Victor Oladipo makes his return home to the DC-area.

3. Vegas bookmakers have the Wizards as 6.5 to 7 point favorites for tonight's game.



Blast from the past:



Former Luv-a-Bull Lisa, who CCJ claims is "packing something big" and seem to have a bit of an Adam's apple.





Miller's girlfriend.




Go Wizards!

Just for Pine...and maybe CCJ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... czNXEVFvMs

[nuposse04]

So do the bucks not get a gamethread? where arth pine?

[hands11]

I think we might have to ban some people from starting game threads.

They are worse then that Hands fella.

[nate33]

I think we might have to ban some people from starting game threads.

They are worse then that Hands fella.

hands11, why don't you go ahead and start one? We've ignored board tradition on multiple occasions this season and hasn't hurt our mojo yet.

[Ruzious]

So do the bucks not get a gamethread? where arth pine?

Be careful what you ask for. I think it'd be better if hands or... anyone but Pine starts it.

[nuposse04]

So do the bucks not get a gamethread? where arth pine?

Be careful what you ask for. I think it'd be better if hands or... anyone but Pine starts it.

the masochist in me quite enjoys Pine's work.

[hands11]

I think we might have to ban some people from starting game threads.

They are worse then that Hands fella.

hands11, why don't you go ahead and start one? We've ignored board tradition on multiple occasions this season and hasn't hurt our mojo yet.

??

When did I do that ?

[Rafael122]

I got it up. If we lose tonight, blame Pine!

[nate33]

I think we might have to ban some people from starting game threads.

They are worse then that Hands fella.

hands11, why don't you go ahead and start one? We've ignored board tradition on multiple occasions this season and hasn't hurt our mojo yet.

??

When did I do that ?

I didn't say you have. I meant that there have been multiple occasions this season when a new thread was not started by the same guy who started the previous game (when we won). Since we've already mangled the tradition with no consequences, there's no reason not to continue mangling it.

[hands11]

hands11, why don't you go ahead and start one? We've ignored board tradition on multiple occasions this season and hasn't hurt our mojo yet.

??

When did I do that ?

I didn't say you have. I meant that there have been multiple occasions this season when a new thread was not started by the same guy who started the previous game (when we won). Since we've already mangled the tradition with no consequences, there's no reason not to continue mangling it.

Ahh. My bad. I read that wrong. I thought you said I broke the traditions. On beer two and already getting sloppy. LOL.

[Ruzious]

So do the bucks not get a gamethread? where arth pine?

Be careful what you ask for. I think it'd be better if hands or... anyone but Pine starts it.

the masochist in me quite enjoys Pine's work.

Yeah, he does have a distinct flair. I just wish he'd post pictures of the InvisiBulls rather than the LuvaBulls.

[nuposse04]

Be careful what you ask for. I think it'd be better if hands or... anyone but Pine starts it.

the masochist in me quite enjoys Pine's work.

Yeah, he does have a distinct flair. I just wish he'd post pictures of the InvisiBulls rather than the LuvaBulls.

kinda difficult to fap to realgm gray, but to each their own.

No but really those women are quite vulgar.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

I got it up. If we lose tonight, blame Pine!

That's odd. I never seem to be able to get it up after Pine's game threads.

[mohammed10]

I got it up. If we lose tonight, blame Pine!

That's odd. I never seem to be able to get it up after Pine's game threads.

[pineappleheadindc]

Rafy has zero good juju for game threads. None. Dude, really. I'd have taken hands over you. Or Ji. Or diderotn.

Look what happened, Wiz lost to the Bucks. At home no less.



(Where is FAH to start game threads anyway? I was slaving all afternoon and evening with multiple deadlines).