Miami and Houston Blockbuster, finals preview?

RexBoyWonder · Post #1 » by **RexBoyWonder** » Fri Dec 6, 2013 3:39 pm

I don't think Miami will move Bosh and break up the championship core this year, but hypothetically, Let's say Bosh goes to Riley and sais he wants out for a bigger role.

Miami out : Bosh
Miami In : Asik + Lin + Terrence Jones

Rocks out : Asik + Lin + Terrence Jones
Rockets in : Bosh

For Rockets Bosh and Dwight make the perfect front line, Rockets can get out of the west and get rid of the Asik issue.

For Heat Asik gives them the defensive Center they need, Terrence Jones and Beasley take over the PF position and Lin leads the second unit when Wade and Lebron are on the bench.

*Not sure if Lin would be the best fit with the Heat, but if they decide he's not they can probably move him in a separate trade (ideas?).

1)Who wins the trade?
2)Who gets better/worse?

NBADraft2003 · Post #2 » by **NBADraft2003** » Fri Dec 6, 2013 3:49 pm

Miami says no and I'm tired of seeing this deal because it doesn't make sense for us. Omer packs the paint but is a big we could use but it's not worth Bosh. Bringing Jeremy in makes our defense worse and takes away minutes from Norris and Mario, who are way better defenders. We can get a better package for Chris in my opinion. The Big 3 have already stated they want to stay in South Beach on separate occasions. And Bosh has a huge role with this team, it wouldn't happen.

caliban · Post #3 » by **caliban** » Fri Dec 6, 2013 3:57 pm

Miami says no; As stated above there's no basketball reason for Miami to make this trade and together with that poison pill salary that both of them implicates there's no way this would go down even if there was a basketball gain for them to achieve. That's 30 million between them for next season!

Post #4 » by **BBallFreak** » Fri Dec 6, 2013 3:58 pm

NBADraft2003 wrote:Miami says no and I'm tired of seeing this deal because it doesn't make sense for us. Omer packs the paint but is a big we could use but it's not worth Bosh. Bringing Jeremy in makes our defense worse and takes away minutes from Norris and Mario, who are way better defenders. We can get a better package for Chris in my opinion. The Big 3 have already stated they want to stay in South Beach on separate occasions. And Bosh has a huge role with this team, it wouldn't happen.

Yup. To further add, we're not breaking up our Big 3 so the Rockets can have their own. Why destroy our entire offensive systems, one of the most efficient in NBA history I might add, for Omer Asik (because Bosh's spacing is what opens up the lane for Wade and James) while acquiring another ball dominant player in Lin? This just makes no sense, period. I like nothing about this for Miami.

Now, you want to augment the Big 3 with Asik, then I'm on board, but for one of our Big 3? Hell no. He's not worth it...

RexBoyWonder · Post #5 » by **RexBoyWonder** » Fri Dec 6, 2013 4:03 pm

Would you think it's worth it for the Heat if the Rockets add Parsons (and takes Battier let's say) ?

NBADraft2003 · Post #6 » by **NBADraft2003** » Fri Dec 6, 2013 4:09 pm

BBallFreak wrote:
NBADraft2003 wrote:Miami says no and I'm tired of seeing this deal because it doesn't make sense for us. Omer packs the paint but is a big we could use but it's not worth Bosh. Bringing Jeremy in makes our defense worse and takes away minutes from Norris and Mario, who are way better defenders. We can get a better package for Chris in my opinion. The Big 3 have already stated they want to stay in South Beach on separate occasions. And Bosh has a huge role with this team, it wouldn't happen.

Yup. To further add, we're not breaking up our Big 3 so the Rockets can have their own. Why destroy our entire offensive systems, one of the most efficient in NBA history I might add, for Omer Asik (because Bosh's spacing is what opens up the lane for Wade and James) while acquiring another ball dominant player in Lin? This just makes no sense, period. I like nothing about this for Miami.

Now, you want to augment the Big 3 with Asik, then I'm on board, but for one of our Big 3? Hell no. He's not worth it...

The part that killed me was when he said if we didn't like Lin, we could flip him. How about Houston flip those two for for a 4 that can shoot.

NBADraft2003 · Post #7 » by **NBADraft2003** » Fri Dec 6, 2013 4:14 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:Would you think it's worth it for the Heat if the Rockets add Parsons (and takes Battier let's say) ?

I see what you're trying to do though, get Miami a big for the Eastern Conference battles and get Houston a stretch 4 but it still wouldn't be worth it. If Bosh was a #1 or #2 option still, people would see his true value. We NEED Bosh and hopefully this Greg Oden experiment works.

RexBoyWonder · Post #8 » by **RexBoyWonder** » Fri Dec 6, 2013 7:15 pm

NBADraft2003 wrote:
RexBoyWonder wrote:Would you think it's worth it for the Heat if the Rockets add Parsons (and takes Battier let's say) ?

I see what you're trying to do though, get Miami a big for the Eastern Conference battles and get Houston a stretch 4 but it still wouldn't be worth it. If Bosh was a #1 or #2 option still, people would see his true value. We NEED Bosh and hopefully this Greg Oden experiment works.

Saying Bosh could be a #1 option is totally irrelevant, Lebron and Wade are #1 and #2 now and that won't change any time soon. Getting a solid Center (and nice role players) might be more helpful then having a super talented but underused third option.

NBADraft2003 · Post #9 » by **NBADraft2003** » Fri Dec 6, 2013 7:37 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:
NBADraft2003 wrote:
RexBoyWonder wrote:Would you think it's worth it for the Heat if the Rockets add Parsons (and takes Battier let's say) ?

I see what you're trying to do though, get Miami a big for the Eastern Conference battles and get Houston a stretch 4 but it still wouldn't be worth it. If Bosh was a #1 or #2 option still, people would see his true value. We NEED Bosh and hopefully this Greg Oden experiment works.

Saying Bosh could be a #1 option is totally irrelevant, Lebron and Wade are #1 and #2 now and that won't change any time soon. Getting a solid Center (and nice role players) might be more helpful then having a super talented but underused third option.

Do you not realize the wouldn't fit the system?

RexBoyWonder · Post #10 » by **RexBoyWonder** » Sat Dec 7, 2013 12:44 am

NBADraft2003 wrote:
RexBoyWonder wrote:
NBADraft2003 wrote:I see what you're trying to do though, get Miami a big for the Eastern Conference battles and get Houston a stretch 4 but it still wouldn't be worth it. If Bosh was a #1 or #2 option still, people would see his true value. We NEED Bosh and hopefully this Greg Oden experiment works.

Saying Bosh could be a #1 option is totally irrelevant, Lebron and Wade are #1 and #2 now and that won't change any time soon. Getting a solid Center (and nice role players) might be more helpful then having a super talented but underused third option.

Do you not realize the wouldn't fit the system?

You change system to the players you have. The Heat had a different system when they had legit Centers around. Im not even that high on this trade idea, but I don't buy the "not a fit" when you're talking about a good defensive Center. that's a player that should fit on any team. You make him fit.

MisterHibachi · Post #11 » by **MisterHibachi** » Sat Dec 7, 2013 12:46 am

Why should the Heat change the system that's won them 2 rings in 3 finals appearances?

NBADraft2003 · Post #12 » by **NBADraft2003** » Sat Dec 7, 2013 12:51 pm

MisterHibachi wrote:Why should the Heat change the system that's won them 2 rings in 3 finals appearances?

Exactly.

NBADraft2003 · Post #13 » by **NBADraft2003** » Sat Dec 7, 2013 12:59 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:
NBADraft2003 wrote:
RexBoyWonder wrote:
Saying Bosh could be a #1 option is totally irrelevant, Lebron and Wade are #1 and #2 now and that won't change any time soon. Getting a solid Center (and nice role players) might be more helpful then having a super talented but underused third option.

Do you not realize the wouldn't fit the system?

You change system to the players you have. The Heat had a different system when they had legit Centers around. Im not even that high on this trade idea, but I don't buy the "not a fit" when you're talking about a good defensive Center. that's a player that should fit on any team. You make him fit.

Why would we change the system that got us these last two championships? You don't buy the "not a fit" thing, have you not seen the Lakers last season and the Nets this season? This deal is bad for us and I've already stated why.

shrink · Post #14 » by **shrink** » Sat Dec 7, 2013 1:24 pm

NBADraft2003 wrote:
MisterHibachi wrote:Why should the Heat change the system that's won them 2 rings in 3 finals appearances?

Exactly.

Ugh. How about "because they barely got by the Spurs."

MIA is not so much better than the league that they can use this argument if it improves the team, so let's skip that pedantic line and focus on whether the deal is an improvement.

Personally, I think it does. MIA's goal is to win a championship, and their biggest challenge will be to be strong in the middle. Besides the Spurs, do the Heat have any answer to Hibbert?

Is Bosh worth more than Asik? I'm sure he is, even with the bigger salary (that your owner needs to pay lux on). HOU needs to pay to get him. But does Bosh make it more likely MIA wins a ring? I don't know about that.

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