Omer Asik Trade - Updated link pg.109

[humblebum]

I don't really see a reason to go for Asik unless you think you're going to be title worthy this or next season. Patience young grasshoppers, patience.

[CollegeToPros]

What is the obsession with Kendrick Perkins 2?

Absolutely no way I'm shelling out assets for a role player before building the core star players.

And Asik and Lin for Rondo? F that. I'd rather have Jordan Crawford than Jeremy Lin. Favrani will probably better than Asik with more experience.

I hate one dimensional players. That's what Asik is. He's not a leader either obviously. And if he was a good team player, we wouldn't be having this discussion.




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[brackdan70]

Sounds like the Asik situation will be resolved sooner rather than later. Ainge could get him if he wants him. I don't see many other teams that can come close to Houstons asking price.
'I'd do any of the following.
Bass, Lee and lesser 2015 or 2016
Bass, Fav and lesser 2015 or 2016
Hump and lesser 2015 or 2016

may even consider the lesser of our 2014 picks but I think we can get a really good player with that pick.

[CollegeToPros]

Guys, a general rule is you don't buy expensive role players when your core isn't even ready yet.

Unless he's Ben Wallace, Asik is not a core player. Has 4th quarter liability written all over him.


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[zronv7]

No picks, Asik is not worth any draft picks imo. Bass and Lee, that's it.

[Slartibartfast]

Guys, a general rule is you don't buy expensive role players when your core isn't even ready yet.

Unless he's Ben Wallace, Asik is not a core player. Has 4th quarter liability written all over him.


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Asik is a role player like Jeff Green is a role player - they are starter level talents on championship teams, not 7th/8th men like Bass/Lee.

We're stuck paying for Bass/Lee/Wallace for the next few years and Hump/Bogans this year - one pick out of the 9 we have stockpiled is a reasonable price for a big upgrade on our role player investment.

Asik is 27 years old - the same age as our 2 best players (Rondo and Green). A legit 7-footer for a team of 6'8 PFs. He is a top 5 rebounder in the NBA (an area we are currently well below average in) and one of the better defensive centers in the league (our interior D is our weakest point). If you can get him for a lesser role player and a pick likely to produce another lesser role player, I think you should go for it.

[Banks2Pierce]

Asik is a role player like Jeff Green is a role player - they are starter level talents on championship teams, not 7th/8th men like Bass/Lee.

That elite D/elite rebounding big man just doesn't exist a lot out there around the league.

One thing I'm struggling internally with is that part of me thinks we already have the equivalent catalog of assets we had when we pried KG and Ray Allen and that this turnaround may come quicker than anyone thinks. The issue is that I can't see the KG out there. Ray Allen, sure. That X Player doesn't necessarily have to play PF or be an elite defender, just have the equivalent overall impact. Asik/Bradley would ensure a top D and perhaps makes it a simpler process since it would open up all positions to target.

[VeryMuchWoke]

I wouldn't give up Faverani to get him. Sliding Faverani to the bench behind Asik would give us a nice frontcourt rotation. I wouldn't give up Crawford, for pretty obvious reasons.

Give them their pick of Hump/Lee/Bogans/Bass for salary filler andthrow in the clips pick.

Asik is a low usage, guy, but not inefficient. I don't think he'd hurt our offense, though he might not be the best fit with Rondo. I think in this league if you can get a legit C without giving up too much, then you have to jump at the chance. All Ainge cares about right now is building the value of his guys and upgrading his talent base.

[humblebum]

With every passing game Bass becomes less and less tradeable. The guy is a physical beast as he showed today against NYC by making guys like Artest and Melo look small and soft respectively. He defends all five positions on the floor and is basically a shut down defender against those hybrid 3/4 guys who rule the Association right now.

Hard to see Ainge being willing to part with Bass for Asik.

If the winning continues, I'd be intrigued by a Wallace/Celtics pick for Asik deal.

[AgentGreen]

Bradley(Iff he doesnt want to sign the right deal) or else Lee + Wallace(or Hump) for Asik + filler..

Rockets arent in the position to demand picks etc for a center who they want to dump before his big salary kicks in next season.

Asik + Sully is just the right combo we need.. A Center who can play hard defense a legit rim protector and Sully a strech 4 who can also knock down the 3-pointer.

Our offensive + defensive(especially this) versatility would be so much better.

Rondo, Crawford, Green, Sullinger. Asik

[LobCityRondo2KG]

no way we get asik for lee and wallace..

i would offer Lee Bass and Clippers 1 if we want Asik but im content on waiting for a better player to become avail

[Ed Pinkney]

With every passing game Bass becomes less and less tradeable. The guy is a physical beast as he showed today against NYC by making guys like Artest and Melo look small and soft respectively. He defends all five positions on the floor and is basically a shut down defender against those hybrid 3/4 guys who rule the Association right now.

Hard to see Ainge being willing to part with Bass for Asik.

If the winning continues, I'd be intrigued by a Wallace/Celtics pick for Asik deal.

Agreed, this is how I have felt about Bass all season. I think a lot of people on this board focus too much on the holes in his game and not all the good to great things he brings to the team, especially on the defensive side of the ball.

I like your optimism that a draft pick would entice Houston to take on Wallace. I would have no problems if they gave up Olynyk together Asik. I feel since the injury and the increase in Hump's playing time has shown he is a distant fourth on the power forward depth chart behind Bass, Sullinger and Hump. I think the fact we have been playing so well since he injured is ankle is not a complete coincidence. I am certainly not down on him as a player or blaming losses on him, but I think he was given far too many minutes early on without proving he deserved them.

I think Sullinger is our power forward of the future at this stage which leaves Olynyk as a tradable asset.

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I imagine the Rockets would like more immediate gratification in an Asik deal than Olynyk. On the other hand, if McHale falls in like with Kelly, something like Olynyk/Lee could happen. Olynyk/Wallace I'd be downright happy about, despite the need to find another SF; we're down on Asik for whining, but Wallace whines in natively fluent English.

[Turgon]

Asik is a role player like Jeff Green is a role player - they are starter level talents on championship teams, not 7th/8th men like Bass/Lee.

That elite D/elite rebounding big man just doesn't exist a lot out there around the league.

One thing I'm struggling internally with is that part of me thinks we already have the equivalent catalog of assets we had when we pried KG and Ray Allen and that this turnaround may come quicker than anyone thinks. The issue is that I can't see the KG out there. Ray Allen, sure. That X Player doesn't necessarily have to play PF or be an elite defender, just have the equivalent overall impact. Asik/Bradley would ensure a top D and perhaps makes it a simpler process since it would open up all positions to target.

There is a KG out there. And he comes from the same place.
Love for Bradley, Sullinger, Hump and pick.

Get Asik with the trade exception.

Slide Crawford to SG.

Roll with Rondo / Crawford / Green / Love / Asik

[sully00]

Yeah I don't have a problem with Asik wanting to be traded. The Rockets used him. They signed him and showed some progress then went and got Howard and told him to eat 15 mpg. He doesn't have a 7 year deal he has a 3 year deal. Nobody is going to pay him in two years for what he did last year. There is no comparison between his situation and Kevin McHale.

They gave him big time money to do so though. It's not like he took a major pay cut to go there and now they are doing him dirty. 15mpg sucks, but two years locking up 20 million isn't all that bad in my book. Let's be honest..no matter how bad the situation is, Asik asked out in less than 20 games. Didn't he start in the beginning of the season? Took him like 5 games on the bench to ask for a trade. That's pretty ridiculous. Not only does it make you look bad, it screws the franchise that just gave you a payday because now they look desperate and your trade value goes to ****. I really wish guys in the NBA made the most out of their current situations rather than trying to leave and go to easier/better ones.

They didn't sign him to a big money deal he avgs 8 mil a season over 3 years and has only gotten paid 5 mil of it so far. Any team in the league would give him the MLE. He wanted out of CHI because he was caught in the same situation he is now behind a star Center and they can't play together.

The Rockets signed him before they had Harden he came their to be a starter and he produced. What the Rockets did was equivalent of an NFL team signing another team's QB giving him the starting job and him winning a playoff game or two and then signing a better QB in FA the next year.

The Rockets can do what they want but so can't Asik. He asked for a trade the minute Dwight Howard said he was coming to HOU. My guess is he calmed down about once he had assurances the team would work something out, they didn't and now it is coming to a head.

[sully00]

One concern is that by the time the Celtics are more than longest-of-shots contenders, most of the talent will be getting new contracts. The cost control is quite temporary.

(There are a couple of threads in which I could have made that point, actually ...)

That's fine. This group only needs two more seasons to review its current assets and play the market. I expect some diffinitive decisions to be made over the next two offseasons.

Boston doesn't really have two more off seasons. They have to decide what to do with Rondo this off season. Asik is only under contract for this year and next he has zero impact on this team's FA plans in 2015 and beyond.

Adding Asik to this current group gives Boston a chance to make some noise over the next few years while developing young guys giving Rondo a reason to stay long term.

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Suppose we're building a defensive team that's good-enough on offense.
Suppose it includes Sullinger.

Then trading Bass for a defensive center seems like a good move.

By way of contrast, I don't think we get fair value if we trade Sullinger instead.

And yeah, it would of course be better to keep Faverani too.

[humblebum]

One concern is that by the time the Celtics are more than longest-of-shots contenders, most of the talent will be getting new contracts. The cost control is quite temporary.

(There are a couple of threads in which I could have made that point, actually ...)

That's fine. This group only needs two more seasons to review its current assets and play the market. I expect some diffinitive decisions to be made over the next two offseasons.

Boston doesn't really have two more off seasons. They have to decide what to do with Rondo this off season. Asik is only under contract for this year and next he has zero impact on this team's FA plans in 2015 and beyond.

Adding Asik to this current group gives Boston a chance to make some noise over the next few years while developing young guys giving Rondo a reason to stay long term.

Yeah I'm a bit back and forth on Asik. I think that in theory he makes a ton of sense for this team. It's crazy to think how good they can be defensively with Asik patrolling the paint and the already ridiculous stable of perimeter defenders the Celtics have with (a healthy and motivated) Rondo, Bradley, Green and Bass.

But the question really becomes what do you give up to get him. I don't want to move Bass (if the C's are trying to compete his defense, durability and physicality are huge). Ideally you ship out some combo of Wallace/Picks/Faverani. I don't want to give up Olynyk but I could deal with it because Sully seems to have a higher upside. I guess Hump/Picks is also a possibility but that kind of kills flexibility.

It's interesting stuff to consider. The team has looked good enough sans Rondo to consider these types of deals and with the East being downright atrocious this kind of deal gets more appetizing by the day.

[FlatearthZorro]

Suppose we're building a defensive team that's good-enough on offense.
Suppose it includes Sullinger.

Then trading Bass for a defensive center seems like a good move.

By way of contrast, I don't think we get fair value if we trade Sullinger instead.

And yeah, it would of course be better to keep Faverani too.

Agreed with you on Sully. Only player I can see worth trading Sully + pick is of course Kevin Love. The guy is just too good to pass on. Him and ASik would make a good combo(complimenting each other and all)... If we keep Favs, we can bring him off the bench in the 4th quarter, cause he can shoot FTs and can cover for Asik's flaw...

[FlatearthZorro]

Bradley(Iff he doesnt want to sign the right deal) or else Lee + Wallace(or Hump) for Asik + filler..

Rockets arent in the position to demand picks etc for a center who they want to dump before his big salary kicks in next season.

Asik + Sully is just the right combo we need.. A Center who can play hard defense a legit rim protector and Sully a strech 4 who can also knock down the 3-pointer.

Our offensive + defensive(especially this) versatility would be so much better.

Rondo, Crawford, Green, Sullinger. Asik

Asik situation is really interesting, cause they are saying Morey is asking for a top 15 pick in this draft... Which of course nobody is offering right now... I'd trade Bass + Filler for Asik, move Sully to his natural position and give the Rockets a better player than T.Jones to play next to Howard.