Stein: Strong possibility Bucks active due to slow start

[Swan Vox]

This news makes me nervous. There has to be a way to turn up the "We need to be sellers" or do nothing, heat like we did with the billboard. There is absolutely no good that can come from a win-now trade. (Heck, I'm nervous for them to make ANY deal! Just stay the course...and ride prior incompetence into a high lotto pick) This cycle of short-sighted madness needs to end!!

[vegaspacker]

so quit being a drama queen.

This is very accurate

Hoping that you got a handle on this....... It is starting to get very cray cray in here!!

[Wooderson]

love to see an asik trade as long as were dealing ersan and/or other vets out of here to get him . he'd immediatly become our best trade asset since we last had a healthy bogut. houston dealing him in that little trade window so we could flip him anytime we wanted to is kinda a big deal when looking at this.

nothing about steins comment leads one to believe were under any illusion we should still be trying to win. and the idea we would give up any of our young guys right now is asinine.... exception being if we could somehow dump sanders of course.

im kind of excited. asiks deal coming back means maybe we could probably clear another vet contract back at the rockets. shame delfinos hurt. id imagine theyd take him anyway

1) Exactly how would Asik be a major asset? The Bucks would have him for 1.5 years and aren't going to flip him to a different team anyway. Sounds an awful lot like Monta Ellis being a better "asset" than Bogut, which was bogus.

2) He's owed $15 million in that final year (although $8 mil against the cap). So that dilutes his value even more. There's a reason the Rockets are having somewhat of a difficult time unloading Asik. Almost every team that is in win-now mode has a Center already in place.

If the Bucks give up anything of value for Asik it's going to be a major waste. This team doesn't make deals with any sort of future implications in mind. It's all about the short-term reward which eventually results in gaining nothing of value in the future.

[randybreuerfan]

Ferry covets Giannis.
Osik is leaving Houston.
Houston wants Millsap.

Imagine all of these parts coming together... I'll start with what I would consider the floor for trading away Giannis.

Milwaukee out : Giannis
Milwaukee in: Atlanta 2014 and 2016 1st, Houston 2014 1st, Osik.

Atlanta in: Giannis
Atlanta out: Millsap, 1st round 2014 and 2016

Houston in: Millsap
Houston out: Osik, 1st round pick

My sense is that both Atlanta and Houston would want more.

So throw in Ekpe and Delfino and Neal and any other non-future piece.



Then flip Osik for another 1st round pick at the trade deadline.

Are 4 mid-low 1st round picks worth it? I can't imagine we could get more than this.

[vegaspacker]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... C6T9snweYU

just hoping!!!

[ChuckBros4Life]

Ferry covets Giannis.
Osik is leaving Houston.
Houston wants Millsap.

Imagine all of these parts coming together... I'll start with what I would consider the floor for trading away Giannis.

Milwaukee out : Giannis
Milwaukee in: Atlanta 2014 and 2016 1st, Houston 2014 1st, Osik.

Atlanta in: Giannis
Atlanta out: Millsap, 1st round 2014 and 2016

Houston in: Millsap
Houston out: Osik, 1st round pick

My sense is that both Atlanta and Houston would want more.

So throw in Ekpe and Delfino and Neal and any other non-future piece.



Then flip Osik for another 1st round pick at the trade deadline.

Are 4 mid-low 1st round picks worth it? I can't imagine we could get more than this.

Hell no.

[mlloyd10]

Don't know if salaries work, but I can see butler, udoh and ridnour for gay.

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[Siefer]

This thread is a nightmare.

[yoshii8]

Hopefully Ridnour, Neal and Butler are being shopped. I'd be ok w/ that.

[BUCKnation]

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[jtf150]

I would say number 1, dont trade Giannis or 1st round pick! (non-touchable), #2 dont trade Henson or Nate, after that who cares. I would prefer they do nothing and ride out the season.

[coolhandluke121]

All right! Looks like we can fire up the "win now" train!

I am too lazy this year to work the exact salaries, but I think these work:

Ersan for Asik

Udoh, Kratsov and two 2nds for Deng

Ridnour and 2nd for Jarrett Jack (salary dump move for Cleveland, so the Cavs can tank)

Jack, Asik, and Deng sure sounds like the unholiest of trifectas. I could see it.

[SkilesTheLimit]

Let's just hope it's that we are willing to sell off our vets because we realize this team won't compete.

Come on Herb, be smart. For once.

[InsideOut]

love to see an asik trade as long as were dealing ersan and/or other vets out of here to get him . he'd immediatly become our best trade asset since we last had a healthy bogut. houston dealing him in that little trade window so we could flip him anytime we wanted to is kinda a big deal when looking at this.

nothing about steins comment leads one to believe were under any illusion we should still be trying to win. and the idea we would give up any of our young guys right now is asinine.... exception being if we could somehow dump sanders of course.

im kind of excited. asiks deal coming back means maybe we could probably clear another vet contract back at the rockets. shame delfinos hurt. id imagine theyd take him anyway

1) Exactly how would Asik be a major asset? The Bucks would have him for 1.5 years and aren't going to flip him to a different team anyway. Sounds an awful lot like Monta Ellis being a better "asset" than Bogut, which was bogus.

2) He's owed $15 million in that final year (although $8 mil against the cap). So that dilutes his value even more. There's a reason the Rockets are having somewhat of a difficult time unloading Asik. Almost every team that is in win-now mode has a Center already in place.

If the Bucks give up anything of value for Asik it's going to be a major waste. This team doesn't make deals with any sort of future implications in mind. It's all about the short-term reward which eventually results in gaining nothing of value in the future.

He messing with you. Whatever most people are against he will always take the opposite side. And when the deal goes down no matter what happens he will like it (Gooden, Maggette, Jackson...) because we will hate it.

However, no need to panic. We all should have been mentally prepared for this as we knew it was coming. It was assumed the idiots in charge would look for a win now move. All we can do now is pray we aren't sending out youth for vets that bring us 35 wins and the 8th seed. Pray Hammond pulls another deck chairs on the Titanic trade where players are traded but it doesn't make us better or worse than we currently are now. Just stay calm and pray hard and pray often.

[hege53190]

I would say number 1, dont trade Giannis or 1st round pick! (non-touchable), #2 dont trade Henson or Nate, after that who cares. I would prefer they do nothing and ride out the season.

That is the exact type of mindset that lets you trade Tobias for JJ Reddick.

I would also say Middleton and Knight are off the table. Just because they are so young and I don't believe you are going to get anything more valuable than them in a trade. It is easy to forget but Knight is actually 8 months younger than Wolters.

And just for peace of mind lets take Sanders off the table. He probably could and should be moved for good valuable young players/picks but I am pretty certain that the Bucks staff would f--- it up so lets just take that possibility off the table.

Anybody else is fair game.

[jtf150]

I would say number 1, dont trade Giannis or 1st round pick! (non-touchable), #2 dont trade Henson or Nate, after that who cares. I would prefer they do nothing and ride out the season.

That is the exact type of mindset that lets you trade Tobias for JJ Reddick.

I would also say Middleton and Knight are off the table. Just because they are so young and I don't believe you are going to get anything more valuable than them in a trade. It is easy to forget but Knight is actually 8 months younger than Wolters.

And just for peace of mind lets take Sanders off the table. He probably could and should be moved for good valuable young players/picks but I am pretty certain that the Bucks staff would f--- it up so lets just take that possibility off the table.

Anybody else is fair game.

I agree, Middleton and Knight should also be "no touch", I guess I forgot them, but Sanders, if the price was right??? He just seems to be a head case, and is he the player from last year or was that just a fluke season? He does have a little of the "Bad Ass" you need in the middle though, instead of a team of nice guys.

[hege53190]

I would say number 1, dont trade Giannis or 1st round pick! (non-touchable), #2 dont trade Henson or Nate, after that who cares. I would prefer they do nothing and ride out the season.

That is the exact type of mindset that lets you trade Tobias for JJ Reddick.

I would also say Middleton and Knight are off the table. Just because they are so young and I don't believe you are going to get anything more valuable than them in a trade. It is easy to forget but Knight is actually 8 months younger than Wolters.

And just for peace of mind lets take Sanders off the table. He probably could and should be moved for good valuable young players/picks but I am pretty certain that the Bucks staff would f--- it up so lets just take that possibility off the table.

Anybody else is fair game.

I agree, Middleton and Knight should also be "no touch", I guess I forgot them, but Sanders, if the price was right??? He just seems to be a head case, and is he the player from last year or was that just a fluke season? He does have a little of the "Bad Ass" you need in the middle though, instead of a team of nice guys.

I agree completely, I would definitely trade Sanders if the price was right but I don't think this management team is going to get that price and I REEAALLYYY don't trust this management team to identify the assets needed for this team to succeed.

[jtf150]

That is the exact type of mindset that lets you trade Tobias for JJ Reddick.

I would also say Middleton and Knight are off the table. Just because they are so young and I don't believe you are going to get anything more valuable than them in a trade. It is easy to forget but Knight is actually 8 months younger than Wolters.

And just for peace of mind lets take Sanders off the table. He probably could and should be moved for good valuable young players/picks but I am pretty certain that the Bucks staff would f--- it up so lets just take that possibility off the table.

Anybody else is fair game.

I agree, Middleton and Knight should also be "no touch", I guess I forgot them, but Sanders, if the price was right??? He just seems to be a head case, and is he the player from last year or was that just a fluke season? He does have a little of the "Bad Ass" you need in the middle though, instead of a team of nice guys.

I agree completely, I would definitely trade Sanders if the price was right but I don't think this management team is going to get that price and I REEAALLYYY don't trust this management team to identify the assets needed for this team to succeed.

Realistically, how far is this team going to go this year? Nowhere! As long as they have this bad a start, scrap the season! They would have to have to go on a real big winning streak to even make the playoffs at this point and that I am sure is not happening, why mortgage the future for this season? How can they see it any different?I just cant see them giving up on Giannis this quick.

[whatthe_buck!?]

Stein looking like the early favorite for Realgm Bucks Board Troll of the Year. Oh and a question for PP:
Does your confidence that we won't make a win now trade and include Giannis extend to our 2014 1st round pick as well? Just curious what u think...

[worthlessBucks]

That god damn win in Washington.