Stein: Strong possibility Bucks active due to slow start

[MrPerfect1]

asik has the most value league wide of the 3. and asik has the best contract of the 3. the idea that we could package some veteran contracts at houston that could help them win this year in exchange for a top notch playoff caliber center with a shortterm contract who we could then potentially showcase.... it makes perfect sense.

I do not think this is just a given. Sanders may have the better contract, he is locked up for 4 years at a decent price. Asik and Sanders cost the teams in real money around the same this year + next and then Asik will demand probably at least if not higher in FA.

Around the league, Asik likely has more value to contenders but Sanders should have more value to rebuilding teams. Would you rather rebuild with a 25 year old under contract for 4 years who is happy whether starting or coming off bench or a 27 1/2 year old who either will be a 1 1/2 year rental/or want a big contract + quit on his own team

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

You can tank with Sanders. The fact of the matter is that you never mentioned trading Sanders once until you got butt hurt over his bar altercation. We should be looking to trade vets for worse vets with similar deals or youth that isn't ready. You don't trade a young defensive anchor at his lowest trade value.

i didnt want to trade sanders because i didnt want to tank. sanders, playing allout on a competitive team has some value..... and at least a chance to make that contract stand up.

now that were tanking i want to trade sanders. sanders on a 15 win team is going to look like a dumpster fire if his effort drops or he starts to think for one second that he needs to be a star and horsing around/ bitching when he isnt.
bottom line.....if he plays up to his capability, hes good enough to matter with wins and losses. thats bad. if he doesnt win us more then it means his contract becomes an albatross and we lost any chance to rid ourselves of him OR maximize any trade value. thats bad too. its lose lose if we keep him around.

we need an asset sale. im hoping that stein is suggesting were open for business in that regard. if we have to take some shortterm money back then asik makes some good sense.

[LUKE23]

Asik makes no sense under any tanking scenario.

[Wooderson]

If you want to trade Sanders for a future piece that's understandable. But supporting some type of lateral move for Asik is confusing. If the Bucks acquire Asik they're keeping him.

[RandyBreuer]

Asik makes 15 mil next year. I say the Rockets have to deal him and won't get as much as many on RealGm think they will. No way Larry goes to Houston with his new contract. I think Asik goes to Atlanta or Philly. I fear Larry being moved to the other one.
The Bucks would be smart to at least get Zaza or Udoh unloaded to Houston for a prospect like Motiejunas or Papanikolaou in a deal if not being able to move Ersan in a bigger deal.
I won't be stun if Asik ends up in OKC either as a finalization of a verbal agreement in the Harden deal pending Howard ending up in Houston. In a deal that looks good for both teams obviously.

[raferfenix]

I'm surprised that Stein thinks the Sixers are so interested in Asik. Could see the Bucks talking three way trade there.

How would we feel about sending out Ersan and ultimately ending up with Evan Turner?

Or is there another kind of scenario we'd imagine as more likely?

[MrPerfect1]

I can't imagine any trade involving HOU where Hammond and the FO do not get absolutely destroyed. Hammond should only trade with other bad GM's like Dumars or Grunfeld.

I'm surprised that Stein thinks the Sixers are so interested in Asik. Could see the Bucks talking three way trade there.

How would we feel about sending out Ersan and ultimately ending up with Evan Turner?

Or is there another kind of scenario we'd imagine as more likely?

Turner would be awful, is due a new contract and would further bury Giannis

[InsideOut]

You can tank with Sanders. The fact of the matter is that you never mentioned trading Sanders once until you got butt hurt over his bar altercation. We should be looking to trade vets for worse vets with similar deals or youth that isn't ready. You don't trade a young defensive anchor at his lowest trade value.

i didnt want to trade sanders because i didnt want to tank.

i have been in agreement with the board 100% since the first week of the season that we need to tank this mess out all the way.

First you said you wanted to tank from week one then you said you wanted to keep Sanders because you didn't want to tank. This doesn't seem to make sense.

[raferfenix]

I can't imagine any trade involving HOU where Hammond and the FO do not get absolutely destroyed. Hammond should only trade with other bad GM's like Dumars or Grunfeld.

I'm surprised that Stein thinks the Sixers are so interested in Asik. Could see the Bucks talking three way trade there.

How would we feel about sending out Ersan and ultimately ending up with Evan Turner?

Or is there another kind of scenario we'd imagine as more likely?

Turner would be awful, is due a new contract and would further bury Giannis

Ha, Hammonds has been getting owned by the Warriors and Suns GM's of late, so dealing even with the dregs of the profession hasn't offered us much solace.

Not sure how I feel about Turner but at least he is young enough to be a part of a rebuild. If he can't play SG alongside Giannis my interest wanes a lot though.

[Matches Malone]

No thanks on Turner. Would rather give those minutes to Giannis and Middleton. Anybody want to text Hammond and tell him not to trade our young players or picks?

[JayMKE]

If our FO tries to win now, it is time for direct action

[paulpressey25]

No thanks on Turner. Would rather give those minutes to Giannis and Middleton. Anybody want to text Hammond and tell him not to trade our young players or picks?

I would take Turner for Ersan. Might hurt the tank, but Turner seems to be getting it.

[Chuck Diesel]

Turner is a very nice piece but I'd prefer not to fiddle with our only hope of top five salvation.

These are the only type of deals I'd like to see the Bucks be "active" in-

Mayo and Neal to Detroit for Charlie Villanueva and Gigi Datome
Ersan, Epke and Ridnour to Charlotte for Bismack Biyombo and Ben Gordon.

Knight/Wolters
Middleton/Gordon
Butler/Gannnis/Datome
Henson/Bismack/Villanueva
Sanders/Bismack/Zaza

Improves our Eastern conference competition to keep them out of the lottery. Makes Detroit significantly deeper and gives them a real chance to get out of the first round. Ersan is a good fit for Charlotte for a couple years until Zeller is ready to emerge. Both of those teams want to win now. Sheds a ton of money this summer with Villanueva and Gordon coming off the books. Bismack is only 21.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

asik has the most value league wide of the 3. and asik has the best contract of the 3. the idea that we could package some veteran contracts at houston that could help them win this year in exchange for a top notch playoff caliber center with a shortterm contract who we could then potentially showcase.... it makes perfect sense.

if any young guys go out id gag of course. this is an asset sell off. of course id like the highest value possible. but regardless, the timing needs to be now(before this years deadline).... not later.

How in the world do you know that Asik has the most value of the 3?

-because sportscenter and asik maybe being moved is the biggest trade story of the year so far?
-because even tho our guys are being shopped nobody ouside of milwaukee in the media gives a crap?
-teams like less money coming back instead of more money and asik is the less money?
-asik hasnt been in and out recently with nagging injuries?
-asik hasnt been in any recent drunken late night melees?
-asiks play hasnt been awful lately?

its a very safe assumption that asik has more value then our guys. were lucky to be in the discussion here because of our guys unique fit.... not their league wide value.

[Wooderson]

-because sportscenter and asik maybe being moved is the biggest trade story of the year so far?
-because even tho our guys are being shopped nobody ouside of milwaukee in the media gives a crap?
-teams like less money coming back instead of more money and asik is the less money?
-asik hasnt been in and out recently with nagging injuries?
-asik hasnt been in any recent drunken late night melees?
-asiks play hasnt been awful lately?

its a very safe assumption that asik has more value then our guys. were lucky to be in the discussion here because of our guys unique fit.... not their league wide value.

Asik hasn't been awful? He's barely seen the court, part of which is him crying about being a backup. Conveniently that gets ignored.

And, Sportscenter, ah, the pinnacle of sports journalism. The reason that's a big story is that Asik has been pouting about being a backup center behind Dwight. Major market? Check. Superstar? Check. Contender? Check.

[LUKE23]

The only reason it's a big story is because Howard went there and there has been strife over playing time since day 1. If Howard wasn't in Houston this isn't even a story.

Either way, there is no way to argue that a tanking team acquiring Asik is a logical move. Unless you're saying we can immediately flip him for youth or picks, in which case I'd just say Houston could do that without using us as an intermediary.

[CanadaBucks]

No thanks on Turner. Would rather give those minutes to Giannis and Middleton. Anybody want to text Hammond and tell him not to trade our young players or picks?

I would take Turner for Ersan. Might hurt the tank, but Turner seems to be getting it.

No.....First time in his career he's been over 50% TS and that has been falling lately. No 3 ball, A/T of just over 1...no thanks

[VooDoo7]

Unless you're saying we can immediately flip him for youth or picks, in which case I'd just say Houston could do that without using us as an intermediary.

Not if HOU is targeting Ersan.

[ReddWing]

We need to have a sit-in outside the BMO and sing, "Give Youth a Chance". Maybe burn our Bucks gear, drop acid, and pull a Jane Fonda by acting like traitors to the team.

[LUKE23]

http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2013/11/late ... bucks.html

When the Rockets explore Omer Asik trades, they’ll likely be targeting a player such as Ryan Anderson or Ersan Ilyasova. says Ford, adding that both of those guys might be available. Asik may not be the right fit for either the Pelicans or Bucks though, according to Ford, so a third team might have to get involved.

Even though Bucks owner Herb Kohl is known to be anti-tanking, Ford suggests John Hammond should be sending Kohl video of Andrew Wiggins, Julius Randle, and Jabari Parker every day until he reconsiders. The insinuation there, of course, is that a poor finish this season will be the Bucks’ best chance to land a star.