Stein: Strong possibility Bucks active due to slow start

[MrPerfect1]

my bad are you now saying the 6th seed as a ceiling in any given year wouldnt be a worthy goal? i was under the impression that wasnt good enough for you. you do realize 20 teams each year are going to either be a 6th seed or worse right?

6th Seed as a ceiling is 100% not a worthy goal. The only possible way a 6th Seed is a good result is if you are playing a team with multiple 20-24 year old stars and the 6th Seed this year is likely a 2 Seed or whatever the next year as they begin to reach their prime.

A 6th Seed Ceiling on a Team built around people in their Prime and Veterans is Worst Case Scenario for an NBA Team

[Ayt]

I don't believe that we would be stupid enough to make a win now move.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Also, who is throwing games? Can you give an example of the Bucks throwing games this season?

i wasnt going to respond anymore but i will to just this. i think we threw last nights game.

we were at home in a close game that if anything was leaning towards us. then... early 4th.... drew puts in

wolters
giannis
ilyasova
henson
raduljica

the first play ersans guy beat him baaad of the dribble for a baseline dunk and then it was on. that lineup held the floor until we were down 12-14 pts and the game was in hand for brooklyn.

wtf is that lineup. you think drew is trying to win with that lineup based on everything hes done in the past? he doesnt go away from it but sticks with it as we struggle to even run an offense? go back and watch the tape. id be willing to bet we threw last nights game 100 to 1.

teams throw games all the time that way. you dont have to cheat and look like shoeless joe when he did it. in basketball its hella easier to make that subtle little punt. just put a bunch of backups out there out of position in a tight game until it goes your way. im surprised i hadnt seen anybody comment on that lineup when he used it and the game turned immediately against us.

[MrPerfect1]

Also, who is throwing games? Can you give an example of the Bucks throwing games this season?

i wasnt going to respond anymore but i will to just this. i think we threw last nights game.

we were at home in a close game that if anything was leaning towards us. then... early 4th.... drew puts in

wolters
giannis
ilyasova
henson
raduljica

the first play ersans guy beat him baaad of the dribble for a baseline dunk and then it was on. that lineup held the floor until we were down 12-14 pts and the game was in hand for brooklyn.

wtf is that lineup. you think drew is trying to win with that lineup based on everything hes done in the past? he doesnt go away from it but sticks with it as we struggle to even run an offense? go back and watch the tape. id be willing to bet we threw last nights game 100 to 1.

teams throw games all the time that way. you dont have to cheat and look like shoeless joe when he did it. in basketball its hella easier to make that subtle little punt. just put a bunch of backups out there out of position in a tight game until it goes your way. im surprised i hadnt seen anybody comment on that lineup when he used it and the game turned immediately against us.

That is a very defensible lineup. Wolters + Giannis + Ilyasova + Henson is a combo many people like. Rad obviously is not very good, but against the slowest team in the NBA and needing a big body it makes sense

[InsideOut]

]Please tell me what words I put in your mouth? I can tell you the words you put in my mouth.

the last paragraph you just wrote with the nonsense about the 2 games is a good example. nice spin job on what i actually wrote while at the same time completely deflecting any point i made against you.

You said my idea of rebuilding would destroy the league. You are now saying if 20 teams do this every season it would destroy the league. How do you get from me thinking the Bucks should rebuild to you thinking I said 20 teams should rebuild?

my bad are you now saying the 6th seed as a ceiling in any given year wouldnt be a worthy goal? i was under the impression that wasnt good enough for you. you do realize 20 teams each year are going to either be a 6th seed or worse right?

let me know if im putting words in your mouth. or actually not.... dont bother. i know where youve stood with this. just let us all know if youve now changed your position.

Now I understand where you draw the line. 2 games. If after two games where you played .500 ball if it isn't looking good you should rebuild. With two games being your benchmark I'm shocked you haven't been okay with a Bucks rebuild long before this season. I mean 2 games into any season under Hammond have the Bucks been expected to be any good? The answer is no.

You are putting words in my mouth. Nothing wrong with a six seed if you are young and working your way to the top. A 6th seed as a win now goal achieved on the backs of journeymen vets is not a good long term plan.

I think everyone knows where we both have stood these past 6 years. For the past 6 years you have liked the vast majority of Hammonds moves and liked the win now approach as going for top 5 picks is being a loser and cheating. Unfortunately those moves and this plan have lead us to being the worst teams in the league.

I on the other hand I have been saying these types of moves will lead to us being stuck in no-mans-land. Then I said once they get rid of their win now coach in Skiles the team will bottom out. Hence the reason this season I predicted them winning the least amount of wins in the Hammond era. I also said the only way they get out the Hammond mess is to blow it up and get top 5 picks. Now I see their is a billboard and website dedicated to this idea. I also see every sports columnist outside of Milwaukee says this is what they need to do. Is that roughly how things played out between our two points of view these past 6 years? No need to respond unless you feel my memory is fuzzy.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

That is a very defensible lineup. Wolters + Giannis + Ilyasova + Henson is a combo many people like.

im not david stern dude

and i like that group of 4 too......just needs a 2 gaurd to round it out and not put everybody out of position. drew chose rad instead and stuck with it. cost us the game against brooklyns 3 gaurd offense we were using it on

[Wooderson]

so the solution is what? all the teams in the middle trying to lose too?

if every season was like this youd enjoy it? like this for us? like this in the league? this is what teams do now if they arent top 10?

every young team eventually turns to veterans to fill in the gaps. perhaps maybe weve just made that decision too fast. or gotten desperate because of who is available in milwaukee. i can agree with that anyway.

Every season isn't like this if you end up at the top of the lottery a few times, make smart decisions, and accumulate assets. But these assets should continually build towards the future. No aging vets unless you can get them for cheap.

Milwaukee is certainly limited in who it can acquire. The only way top level talent is going to want to stay here is if the team is building towards the long-term. If you draft say Parker and then go out right away and sign a bunch of Goodens/Delfinos/Zazas, That player should and will leave.

The solution would be to go young, accumulate assets, and continually build for the long-term until you get a franchise piece or two. The win-now approach often contradicts asset management which is my biggest issue with how this organization has been ran.

Eventually next year becomes this year, so if you continually build for the now you screw yourself out of any chance of sustained success.

[Bernman]

That doesn't sound positive. Why the f**k couldn't we have finished out that loss against Wash or did this have to be such a wretched year even for the Eastern Conference? If Kohl actually makes another win now trade, we gotta amp it up on the protest front. Run this buffoon the hell out of Milwaukee. This should be the last straw. It's not even a little funny anymore. We're being wronged more than any other fan base ever has in major American sports. The cluelessness is unyielding.

[Treebeard]

That is a very defensible lineup. Wolters + Giannis + Ilyasova + Henson is a combo many people like. Rad obviously is not very good, but against the slowest team in the NBA and needing a big body it makes sense

I believe someone quoted this seasons statistics (Thurs/Fri?) citing the statistically the Bucks most effective lineups included combinations of Wolters, Giannis, Henson, Middleton, and Ilyasova. I don't remember the source of that data. Considering the damage Lopez had done all night against whoever was thrown against him, why not Radulica?

[paul]

New slogan for the billboard.

"Don't you **** dare"

That's essentially what the website says.

[GoldenAntlers]

Sometimes I think the FO makes up rumors just to see our reaction to either have something to laugh at or to actually come up with good ideas. Half of you guys should be paid interns.

[VooDoo7]

I don't believe that we would be stupid enough to make a win now move.

Say what?? It's exactly something our idiot GM/owner would do.

[VooDoo7]

Not really sure where to put this. But Larry Drew talking about playing the young guys more. Sure hope it's a sign that we're not targeting any vets this year via trade.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/bucks/mi ... 95531.html

[Nebula1]

Don't think Houston is adding Jones with Asik unless they get a really damn good player.

Jones is blowing up, so I would think not.

I'm still thinking an Asik/Motiejunas/Covington for Ilyasova/Udoh type deal. Milwaukee moves Asik for a pick and adds a couple prospects.

[WRau1]

I was told that at the end of the month that the Bucks will be rolling out their "lost season" ticket deals...

[Ron Swanson]

I'm fairly confident that a Hammond "win now" deal isn't on the horizon. We haven't been this far out of it to start a season in quite a while, even the FO can see that.

The only guys I think that we should and will trade are Udoh and Ridnour, preferably for a king's ransom.......of 2nd round picks.

[raferfenix]

I can't remember the last time the Bucks traded for an extra first round pick...

We all probably agree that trading for an extra 2014 first round potential lottery pick is likely our absolute best case scenario, but given how rarely (if ever) Herbie prioritizes additional first round picks the best we might be able to hope for is acquiring a young developing player.

Hope that's not the case and would love any info in opposition!

[raferfenix]

Not really sure where to put this. But Larry Drew talking about playing the young guys more. Sure hope it's a sign that we're not targeting any vets this year via trade.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/bucks/mi ... 95531.html

Thanks for posting, this part is especially encouraging:

"I want to play guys that are going to play hard every time they step out on the floor," Drew said. "We definitely want our young guys out there so they can learn.

"And not only that, but our young guys are talented. They do some things that have opened my eyes.

"I know the more they're out there, the more they're going to learn, the more confident they're going to become. The more they're out there, they're going to show why they belong in this league.

"I'm going to have a little bit of a decision on my hands."

[chuckleslove]

Plain and simple for me there are two scenarios that this could lead to.

1) We trade young players/future picks for a win now move and I am done with the Bucks for good, the team is likely gone from Milwaukee in the next decade.

2) We trade vets for young players with potential or picks and it is all aboard the tank and I reward the team by buying tickets and attending some games this year.

Don't **** this up.

[paulpressey25]

I can't remember the last time the Bucks traded for an extra first round pick...

Grunfeld in August 2002, when we dealt Glenn Robinson for Kukoc and the Hawks 2003 first round pick, which I think was only top 3 protected.