MVP discussion thread

Chalky White · Post #1021 » by **Chalky White** » Mon Dec 9, 2013 7:49 am

LeBron-FTW wrote:
EArl wrote:Look im not going to argue with someone that has the world 'Lebron' as his username.

World?!!

good, but it deos'nt change the FACT that LeBron is the best player in the NBA. though based on your sig, it's understandable, Kobe Rules!

You people are relentless.

EArl · Post #1022 » by **EArl** » Mon Dec 9, 2013 8:00 am

LeBron-FTW wrote:
EArl wrote:Look im not going to argue with someone that has the world 'Lebron' as his username.

World?!!

good, but it deos'nt change the FACT that LeBron is the best player in the NBA. though based on your sig, it's understandable, Kobe Rules!

What does this have to do with Kobe.. smh

MaliBrah · Post #1023 » by **MaliBrah** » Mon Dec 9, 2013 8:25 am

durant has to do a lot more than win the MVP this year to surpass lebron and its inconceivable to think george can surpass lebron in 1-2 years. George first has to prove he's better than lebron was at the same age (23-24)

EArl · Post #1024 » by **EArl** » Mon Dec 9, 2013 8:38 am

MaliBrah wrote:durant has to do a lot more than win the MVP this year to surpass lebron and its inconceivable to think george can surpass lebron in 1-2 years. George first has to prove he's better than lebron was at the same age (23-24)

I think you misunderstood what I said. I didnt mean all time. I meant right now.
Lebron will eventually get old and Durant will creep on him. My prediction is that George will creep up on Durant faster than Durant creeps up on Lebron.

MaliBrah · Post #1025 » by **MaliBrah** » Mon Dec 9, 2013 8:42 am

EArl wrote:
MaliBrah wrote:durant has to do a lot more than win the MVP this year to surpass lebron and its inconceivable to think george can surpass lebron in 1-2 years. George first has to prove he's better than lebron was at the same age (23-24)

I think you misunderstood what I said. I didnt mean all time. I meant right now.
Lebron will eventually get old and Durant will creep on him. My prediction is that George will creep up on Durant faster than Durant creeps up on Lebron.

yeah I know what you mean. lebron is turning 29 this month , in 1-2 years he'll be 30-31. I don't see him falling off from the top spot then especially with the improvement to his game shooting/postgame and how it will continue to develop as time passes but its possible , I think we'll be seeing this lebron for the next 3 years at least (assuming he doesnt get hurt).

I agree with PG creeping up on durant faster than durant creeps on lebron though.

xMADEinDADEx · Post #1026 » by **xMADEinDADEx** » Mon Dec 9, 2013 8:57 am

lol...

Durant has a higher ceiling than PG. thats for sure.

AI · Post #1027 » by AI » Mon Dec 9, 2013 9:06 am

EArl wrote:
LeBron-FTW wrote:
EArl wrote:Look im not going to argue with someone that has the world 'Lebron' as his username.

World?!!

good, but it deos'nt change the FACT that LeBron is the best player in the NBA. though based on your sig, it's understandable, Kobe Rules!

What does this have to do with Kobe.. smh

It has nothing to do with Kobe. Kobe is not in this conversation and he is not an MVP candidate, as far as I'm concerned.

My pick for MVP goes to Durant, and I think it's likely that this is the year he wins. Just makes too much sense for it not to happen.

Post #1028 » by **kingkirk** » Mon Dec 9, 2013 9:15 am

MisterWestside wrote:Funny how posters who salivate over wins haven't even mentioned Tony Parker for MVP yet. He's the star on the 2nd best team in the league, record wise.

Why would anyone mention Parker?

His numbers are all star type numbers, not MVP, even with a great team record.

ThePersianFreak · Post #1029 » by **ThePersianFreak** » Mon Dec 9, 2013 9:16 am

PG will never be as good as Durant, stop it people. Durant's offensive skills are GOAT level and he can very well become the Greatest Scorer of All Time. George just does'nt have it. yes he may be the better defender of the two, but the differences between their offense is just too big to deny.
Durant (barring injury) will become one of the greatest players ever, will win multiple rings and MVPs. George just is'nt an all time great talent, guy's too limited offensively to be consider as good as as LeBron/KD!
He's shooting 44% on lay-ups for crying out load.

Post #1030 » by **kingkirk** » Mon Dec 9, 2013 9:21 am

Also, can we quit the homerism and bravado? Get back on topic or you will be warned.

Several of you participating in this baiting nonsense already have 1 strike. 1 more and you lose your posting rights on the GB.

J-Mezzy · Post #1031 » by **J-Mezzy** » Mon Dec 9, 2013 11:08 am

Paul George will never be considered better than Bron or Durant barring injuries. He is a very good player, but not on their level IMO

Antrim · Post #1032 » by **Antrim** » Mon Dec 9, 2013 2:34 pm

J-Mezzy wrote:Paul George will never be considered better than Bron or Durant barring injuries. He is a very good player, but not on their level IMO

Well, there's the chance he may be better than LeBron at one point given that he's 6 years younger.

At their best, I agree, but I feel like you're underrating him a little bit. LeBron and Durant are legendary players, being at their level is almost impossible. George is not a very good player, he's a damn **** good player.

HotRocks34 · Post #1033 » by **HotRocks34** » Mon Dec 9, 2013 3:35 pm

Antrim wrote:At their best, I agree, but I feel like you're underrating him a little bit. LeBron and Durant are legendary players, being at their level is almost impossible. George is not a very good player, he's a damn **** good player.

Have to say, I've been extremely impressed. And as you point out, he's like 23 or so. He's looking pretty darn good right now.

AI · Post #1034 » by AI » Mon Dec 9, 2013 4:36 pm

George is an amazing player and watching his development has been phenomenal. But there still is a rigid line between him and Durant. I'd say it's a reach to give PG the MVP this early, and this is Durant's award to lose. Will PG win MVP in the future? Most definitely, I'd say.

Sorkoram · Post #1035 » by **Sorkoram** » Mon Dec 9, 2013 4:48 pm

At this point it's Paul George. My knock on him last year was not being assertive enough throughout the season and I think he got the memo.

After that it's:
Coasting LeBron
Durant
Love

The first initial swings will take place Tuesday night when LeBron and George go head to head. As Shane Battier said it, "I'm surprised they're not willing in the Larry O'Brien trophy" in reference to that primetime tilt.

AI · Post #1036 » by AI » Mon Dec 9, 2013 4:53 pm

Sorkoram wrote:At this point it's Paul George. My knock on him last year was not being assertive enough throughout the season and I think he got the memo.

After that it's:
Coasting LeBron
Durant
Love

The first initial swings will take place Tuesday night when LeBron and George go head to head. As Shane Battier said it, "I'm surprised they're not willing in the Larry O'Brien trophy" in reference to that primetime tilt.

Don't get me wrong, George is great. But would his team be as successful if they played in the west? I'm not so sure. Offensively, Durant is far more potent and that creates the gap between the two. Additionally, Durant's team success is also great, and he plays in a much more competitive conference.

Simply put, I feel as if you take George away from the Pacers, they're still a good team that will win games. Remove Durant from the Thunder, and you have a team that's spiraling downward in need of an additional scorer, since RW can't do it all by himself.

LBJ-ITALY · Post #1037 » by **LBJ-ITALY** » Mon Dec 9, 2013 5:17 pm

IT is too early for me! MVP?! see you after the ASG!

Sorkoram · Post #1038 » by **Sorkoram** » Mon Dec 9, 2013 5:18 pm

AI wrote:Don't get me wrong, George is great. But would his team be as successful if they played in the west? I'm not so sure. Offensively, Durant is far more potent and that creates the gap between the two. Additionally, Durant's team success is also great, and he plays in a much more competitive conference.

Simply put, I feel as if you take George away from the Pacers, they're still a good team that will win games. Remove Durant from the Thunder, and you have a team that's spiraling downward in need of an additional scorer, since RW can't do it all by himself.

His team has two bigs that can bang, that's the starting point for competing in the West. Secondly, Coach Vogel is a defensive coach and that's where they pride themselves. With that said, his team would be very competitive in the West. Best record like they're having in the East? I doubt it because their offense is and will always be a work in progress until they get a true point. Durant is very valuable to his team, but I would argue that Russy is more critical to the success of that team and going deep in the playoffs. Durant would get his and offensively, he's damn near unguardable, but he clearly struggled without Westbrook.

As far as the MVP goes, Paul George has clearly stepped up his game and brought his team along with him. Hibbert didn't make strides, West is still David West, and Lance is somewhat improved, but that team goes as Paul George plays. I don't believe the Pacers would be as successful because they would lose that perimeter anchor on defense and game changing player.

As the season goes on and teams cool off, i.e. Knicks '12, you'll see KD and LBJ distance themselves from the pack. CP3 isn't winning if Blake cannot improve his game.

xBulletproof · Post #1039 » by **xBulletproof** » Mon Dec 9, 2013 5:23 pm

AI wrote:Simply put, I feel as if you take George away from the Pacers, they're still a good team that will win games. Remove Durant from the Thunder, and you have a team that's spiraling downward in need of an additional scorer, since RW can't do it all by himself.

Honestly, I'm with you on the Durant over George thing, but the logic here is terrible.

OKC is one of the best scoring teams in the NBA. The Pacers are without looking I'm guessing in the bottom 10 in scoring. You take Paul George off the Pacers and you're going to have one of the most anemic offenses in the entire NBA. They don't even have a Westbrook type guy to take on the scoring load. It would be absolutely ugly.

MisterWestside · Post #1040 » by **MisterWestside** » Mon Dec 9, 2013 5:31 pm

KingCuban wrote:Why would anyone mention Parker?

His numbers are all star type numbers, not MVP, even with a great team record.

Isn't leading one's team to wins how some posters here make their rankings anyway? (Because if it's about the numbers, then there's one clear-cut frontrunner for this award...)

If that's the case, then Parker leading his team to the 2nd best record in the West should get a mention.