Stein: Strong possibility Bucks active due to slow start

[4xBuck]

OKC really can't afford Mayo.

Gotta add Perkins.

[4xBuck]

Ilyasova/Mayo for Perkins/Adams/Lamb

They wont give up Adams.

They have 1st round picks & they would work.

[Baddy Chuck]

Mayo & Udoh

for

Perkins, Lamb 2014 1st.

I think this is fair...

Agree to disagree. Mayo isn't anything special, that's basically a package that could get them a much better player like say Afflalo. I'd give up Mayo in that deal even if you took out Lamb.

[mlloyd10]

To make it work, Perkins would have to be part of the trade.

So, ya, 1st round pick(s) would be going to MLK.

Nahhhh. Lamb is easily worth taking on Perkins while giving up as mediocre a player as Mayo, no picks are really necessary. I don't think they even do Lamb/Perkins for Mayo.

Oh ya, maybe both picks, too.

Perkins awful contract is a huge negative value... Mayo as the 3rp option in OKC would be excellent. He'd probably have a .550 ts%

Someone on the Lamb thread on the trade board posted:

Mayo & Udoh

for

Perkins, Lamb 2014 1st.

I think this is fair...

This is the reason why I proposed my trade i did.

[Baddy Chuck]

Perkins may be a bad contract, but the production difference between Lamb and Mayo really isn't that much and they really aren't saving money. They are barely saving any money, getting barely any additional production and are losing Lamb's potential.

[Buckrageous]

Really though, what about Mayo's game mixed with his contract makes anyone believe Mayo has value?

He can shoot. The lesser he ranks n a team's pecking order the better he is. He can't be one of the first options and you don't want him handling the ball a ton. I think he's be a great fit with Wetbrook and Durant but I agree I highly doubt you get that kind of deal from OKC. I still think he could have some kind of value to a contender (late 1st?).

I'd actually keep him. When they pair Parker with GA next year and run the offense through them Mayo will help spread the floor.

[Baddy Chuck]

There's hundreds of players who can shoot in this league. If OKC traded Lamb and a first for Kyle Korver you'd call them nuts. Mayo just really doesn't serve a roll on a team that a ton of players couldn't. Hell, I much rather have Middleton then Mayo.

I would literally dump Mayo at the first chance. He's not good and subsequently he's not worth his contract.

He was only signed to a 3/$24 million deal because he was 25 and thought to improve. Fact is he's been in the league 5 years and isn't going to improve. He is what he is, that isn't worth $8 million a year and he has no place on a team that isn't going to win, or isn't trying to win 50 games.

[bizarro]

There's hundreds of players who can shoot in this league. If OKC traded Lamb and a first for Kyle Korver you'd call them nuts. Mayo just really doesn't serve a roll on a team that a ton of players couldn't. Hell, I much rather have Middleton then Mayo.

I would literally dump Mayo at the first chance. He's not good and subsequently he's not worth his contract.

I completely agree. Mayo is a 6th man or a scorer on a 2nd unit. As such, he's completely overpaid, imho. I'd trade him for a reasonable deal asap as well. Try out any combination of Knight; Middleton; and Giannis at the 2. Move on.

[4xBuck]

There's hundreds of players who can shoot in this league. If OKC traded Lamb and a first for Kyle Korver you'd call them nuts.

Did really compare Korver to Mayo?

Did you really compare Mayo for Lamb, a 1st & Perkins to Korver for Lamb & a 1st?

When resorting to reductio ad absurdum, you're tellin' on yourself. Also turns a discussion into a waste of time.

[Baddy Chuck]

Compare them? I'll go as far as saying Korver is better. Easily. Especially on a contender.

Mayo is a shooter. Korver is a shooter. Korver is a better shooter everywhere on the court.

[drew881]

I'll repeat my question from before. I could totally see them wanting Middleton. What would it take?

[Bernman]

Grunfeld in August 2002, when we dealt Glenn Robinson for Kukoc and the Hawks 2003 first round pick, which I think was only top 3 protected.

That doesn't constitute an extra pick though. It was our lone pick that year.

The last time the Bucks had multiple first round picks was 1998, I do believe, and they promptly used those two picks to trade up and select Tractor Traylor.

Yep, they haven't for a VERY long time acquired and kept 2 or more 1st round picks through the draft, and that should be the main idea here. The last time was 20 years ago, 1994, when they took Big Dog and Eric Mobley. A couple years before that it was Day and Mayberry. But since then, never, and have only made and kept 14 1st round picks in the last 19 years. That's appalling for a franchise who has about a win percentage of 42 in that time span. They should have had 24 1st round picks in the last 19 years, not 14, if they're so often rationally, like this season, in win later as opposed to now positions. It speaks to their insane emphasis on winning a few more games in their current or next season, at the detriment of many more down the road. So it's not insane to fear they'll do it again between now and the draft.

[4xBuck]

I'll repeat my question from before. I could totally see them wanting Middleton. What would it take?

That's a whole different trade.

I'd rather have Middleton than a late first, so I don't know what the trade would be.

At this point, the only reason I'd want Lamb over Middleton is that Lamb is a true 2 guard. With the current young talent on the Bucks & looking at the top six players in the draft, Lamb would fit in that group.

[UWM_Brew_Buck]

Mayo has little value, the Bucks should be looking to get rid of him. I'd trade Mayo for Perk and their 1st. No way would they give up Lamb or Adams in a deal centered around Mayo.

[Buckrageous]

Mayo has little value, the Bucks should be looking to get rid of him. I'd trade Mayo for Perk and their 1st. No way would they give up Lamb or Adams in a deal centered around Mayo.

The late first has little value too. I could see Mayo for the 1st but not with Perkins. Teams try to dump those late 1sts every year so they could probably get one without having to deal with Perkins.

[UWM_Brew_Buck]

Mayo has little value, the Bucks should be looking to get rid of him. I'd trade Mayo for Perk and their 1st. No way would they give up Lamb or Adams in a deal centered around Mayo.

The late first has little value too. I could see Mayo for the 1st but not with Perkins. Teams try to dump those late 1sts every year so they could probably get one without having to deal with Perkins.

You are correct firsts don't have much value but I would love to see what we could do with extra firsts. I thought Perk was an expiring this year but he actually is getting $9.5M next year, that makes it less of an easy move for me. If we could trade Mayo for a late first that would be a great deal for us.

[Baddy Chuck]

I'm not sure you get a late first for Mayo. He's a semi useful player, but he's a bad contract.

[breakchains]

Would not give up Middleton for their first. Would take whatever I could get for Mayo.

[LedZepp007]

I'm not sure you get a late first for Mayo. He's a semi useful player, but he's a bad contract.

Mayo's contract isn't good but it's far from bad. He's a meh player with a semi elite skill (3 point shooting) on a meh contract. Reeks of the Bucks.


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[cinematographer]

I'll repeat my question from before. I could totally see them wanting Middleton. What would it take?

Ibaka, if we didn't have Sanders and Henson. But we do, so nothing.

With apologies to Jeremy Lamb, who I earnestly like.