Raps' Official 2013-14 Trade Idea Thread

[rapsanity]

i know raps jus got patterson but the rockets look like a suitor for a strecth 4 if they cant get anderson from pelicns

They got Terrence Jones who's playing really well

And you just said that 'Rockets are looking for a stretch 4'. How is Patterson or any other raptor a stretch 4?

[TheFreshPrince]

The logic of that Sun article is sound, but it depends on if a team would want our veterans. I can't see a team valuing DeRozan as a veteran presence, maybe Amir or Kyle. But usually if a young team is trading their picks its because they want a solid veteran who's been through it all and can lead their youngsters. I'm not sure we have that guy.

I don't know why its so hard to understand why on draft night, a team with the ninth or tenth or twelfth pick wouldn't prefer a sure bet, ready to go NBA wing just entering his prime over a pick than might not pan out and even if it does will take years to develop. Not every lottery team is in rebuild mode, and this draft, as good as it is 1-6, is not going to churn out better players than DeMar right through the lottery. There will be some busts along the way.

Yeah, it's a tough concept to understand much like the idea of a young prospect to mold into something better is difficult to understand for some. The idea of a slowly improving volume shooter, mediocre defender making nearly 10 million dollars a year isn't appealing to everyone (and this is coming from someone who likes DeMar, a lot). But some people need to learn to look at things from an objective and unbiased point of view.

[rapsanity]

"Quincy Pondexter Likely Out For Season With Stress Fracture In Foot"

we should try to trade someone to memphis for their pick

Can't. They've traded their pick to Cleveland which mind you was a VERY underrated trade and a big time steal for the Cavs and a dumb trade for the Grizz

Essentially they wanted to be under the cap (which didn't need to be made in the first place as they ended up eventually trading Gay to get under the cap) but anyways they traded Speights, Selby, Wayne Ellington and a 2014 top 3 protected pick

for....*wait for it*...

John Leur

But again, they didn't have to make the trade because a month later they ended up trading Gay which got them under the cap anyways. And all 3 players they sent Cleveland were all expiring. So Cavs got 3 one year rentals and a pick in a stacked draft for a scrub noone has heard of

[Saul Goodman]

"Quincy Pondexter Likely Out For Season With Stress Fracture In Foot"

we should try to trade someone to memphis for their pick

Can't. They've traded their pick to Cleveland which mind you was a VERY underrated trade and a big time steal for the Cavs and a dumb trade for the Grizz

Essentially they wanted to be under the cap (which didn't need to be made in the first place as they ended up eventually trading Gay to get under the cap) but anyways they traded Speights, Selby, Wayne Ellington and a 2014 top 3 protected pick

for....*wait for it*...

John Leur

But again, they didn't have to make the trade because a month later they ended up trading Gay which got them under the cap anyways. And all 3 players they sent Cleveland were all expiring. So Cavs got 3 one year rentals and a pick in a stacked draft for a scrub noone has heard of

Memphis is toast as far as I'm concerned. Terrible deal.

[asham27]

"Quincy Pondexter Likely Out For Season With Stress Fracture In Foot"

we should try to trade someone to memphis for their pick

Can't. They've traded their pick to Cleveland which mind you was a VERY underrated trade and a big time steal for the Cavs and a dumb trade for the Grizz

Essentially they wanted to be under the cap (which didn't need to be made in the first place as they ended up eventually trading Gay to get under the cap) but anyways they traded Speights, Selby, Wayne Ellington and a 2014 top 3 protected pick

for....*wait for it*...

John Leur

But again, they didn't have to make the trade because a month later they ended up trading Gay which got them under the cap anyways. And all 3 players they sent Cleveland were all expiring. So Cavs got 3 one year rentals and a pick in a stacked draft for a scrub noone has heard of

It's not a 2014 draft pick. It's a 2015 first rounder that has protection

[Saul Goodman]

So we have Salmons contract.... who will give us a future first to take their crap??



Salmons to Miami for Haslem/Anthony/Philly 1st


Salmons for Perkins/Dallas 1st??

[TheFreshPrince]

So we have Salmons contract.... who will give us a future first to take their crap??



Salmons to Miami for Haslem/Anthony/Philly 1st


Salmons for Perkins/Dallas 1st??

Memphis? Tayshaun Prince or Zbo.

Chicago? Boozer.

Phoenix? Beasley's money, Frye or Dragic.

[Rapsfan07]

To Indiana: Kyle Lowry, Landry Fields
To Toronto: Danny Granger

Anyone think the Pacer's pull the trigger?

They add Kyle Lowry who fits like a glove in the Pacers system. He's a very cheap guard who can rebound, defend and add some much needed scoring to the team. Also, Hill hasn't been playing very well this season so he can be brought off the bench to spark the offense with Fields and Scola and give the starting spot to Lowry. Pacers also add Landry Fields who can also rebound, defend, has a high BBIQ and can allow them to rest George a little bit longer as SF is a very shallow position for them. Granger is hurt and unlikely to contribute much this season so I can't see the Pacers getting a better offer for him than a starting quality PG and a bench wing anyways. Lowry and Fields help them win now.

For Toronto, instead of fishing for a low draft pick (which are usually more of a shot in the dark anyways), I prefer to use the value that Lowry has now to offload Fields' deal. If Amir is moved, Lowry is the last tradeable positive asset we have and if Fields (or Hayes) isn't offloaded with him, it will hurt our capspace going forward. So instead of paying for Lowry in highly coveted picks, Indiana pays by taking on Fields who isn't a bad addition either. We take on Granger who is a big enough name to keep the average fan interested, will help us tank by not playing AND expires at the end of the season giving us a good amount of capspace.

Thoughts?

[Skeezo]

To Indiana: Kyle Lowry, Landry Fields
To Toronto: Danny Granger

Anyone think the Pacer's pull the trigger?

They add Kyle Lowry who fits like a glove in the Pacers system. He's a very cheap guard who can rebound, defend and add some much needed scoring to the team. Also, Hill hasn't been playing very well this season so he can be brought off the bench to spark the offense with Fields and Scola and give the starting spot to Lowry. Pacers also add Landry Fields who can also rebound, defend, has a high BBIQ and can allow them to rest George a little bit longer as SF is a very shallow position for them. Granger is hurt and unlikely to contribute much this season so I can't see the Pacers getting a better offer for him than a starting quality PG and a bench wing anyways. Lowry and Fields help them win now.

For Toronto, instead of fishing for a low draft pick (which are usually more of a shot in the dark anyways), I prefer to use the value that Lowry has now to offload Fields' deal. If Amir is moved, Lowry is the last tradeable positive asset we have and if Fields (or Hayes) isn't offloaded with him, it will hurt our capspace going forward. So instead of paying for Lowry in highly coveted picks, Indiana pays by taking on Fields who isn't a bad addition either. We take on Granger who is a big enough name to keep the average fan interested, will help us tank by not playing AND expires at the end of the season giving us a good amount of capspace.

Thoughts?

Indiana is definitely a potential landing spot for Lowry but Indiana will not take back any salary beyond this season. They will not go into Tax and they need to resign "Born Ready" Stephenson which is going to prove to be difficult as is. Needs to be a 3 Team trade where Granger is going somewhere else to make it work in my mind...

[Dr Positivity]

Yea I like Lowry IND fit but not like that.

Watson, Cope and Solo Hill for Lowry works but it's not good value for us

[Narf]

Hrm, this is a bit of an odd proposal but
Lowry/Fields
for
Shabazz Muhammad, JJ Barea, Alexi Shved

For Minnesota: Lowry would be a fantastic 6th man off the bench/upgrade the PG spot to make a playoff run.

For Toronto: Barea is a little cap relief next year over Fields and has value as a vet PG on an expiring, Shved is a very talented but mentally fragile player who needs a change of scenery, and Shabazz is pure potential.

Not 100% sure Minnesota does this, but they might sell Muhammad for Lowry in a sign-and-trade.

[rapsanity]

"Quincy Pondexter Likely Out For Season With Stress Fracture In Foot"

we should try to trade someone to memphis for their pick

Can't. They've traded their pick to Cleveland which mind you was a VERY underrated trade and a big time steal for the Cavs and a dumb trade for the Grizz

Essentially they wanted to be under the cap (which didn't need to be made in the first place as they ended up eventually trading Gay to get under the cap) but anyways they traded Speights, Selby, Wayne Ellington and a 2014 top 3 protected pick

for....*wait for it*...

John Leur

But again, they didn't have to make the trade because a month later they ended up trading Gay which got them under the cap anyways. And all 3 players they sent Cleveland were all expiring. So Cavs got 3 one year rentals and a pick in a stacked draft for a scrub noone has heard of

It's not a 2014 draft pick. It's a 2015 first rounder that has protection

It's the same protection that the Raptors used with the Rockets.

Make the playoffs: keep the pick
Miss the playoffs: (Top 3 protected): Goes to Memphis

Still a dumb trade

[rapsanity]

Hrm, this is a bit of an odd proposal but
Lowry/Fields
for
Shabazz Muhammad, JJ Barea, Alexi Shved

TBH, I wouldn't mind this trade at all. But it seems unlikely. First of all, Fields is a horrible contract and even more untradeable than Gay was. The only value he'll have is next season when he's an expiring. Secondly, Minnesota will probably want to make this trade without Fields in this trade and instead take an expiring (Salmons?) or they might have interested in a big (Hayes?). The reason is because Lowry will most likely end up being a rental for them. He's been underpaid his whole career and probably looking for a big-time pay rise which Minnesota obviously won't agree to since he'll be a 6th man for them. Don't be suprised if a team hungry for a PG tries to sign Lowry for 8+ mill in the offseason (Orlando?)

From the Raptors perpsective, I like this trade. The only thing is that we already have Ross and Demar at the 2. Shved and Muhammad are both SG's as well. The only upside with this trade is that we can acquire Muhammad and then trade him or Ross in the future depending on performance. Their value will still be high given that they will be on their rookie contracts

[rapsanity]

Lowry & Chuck Hayes

for

Jennings and Harellson

[sweetcity]

John Salmons is going to turn out to be a pretty good piece. I could easily see us moving him with Hansbrough


Salmons + Hansbrough for Perkins + 2014 first

[Raptorfan2012]

John Salmons is going to turn out to be a pretty good piece. I could easily see us moving him with Hansbrough


Salmons + Hansbrough for Perkins + 2014 first

According to the trade board, OKC may trade Lamb for a vet swingman. Not sure if they want Salmons, but maybe Salmons, Ross, Hansborough for Perkins and Lamb?

[mjg13]

"Quincy Pondexter Likely Out For Season With Stress Fracture In Foot"

we should try to trade someone to memphis for their pick

Can't. They've traded their pick to Cleveland which mind you was a VERY underrated trade and a big time steal for the Cavs and a dumb trade for the Grizz

Essentially they wanted to be under the cap (which didn't need to be made in the first place as they ended up eventually trading Gay to get under the cap) but anyways they traded Speights, Selby, Wayne Ellington and a 2014 top 3 protected pick

for....*wait for it*...

John Leur

But again, they didn't have to make the trade because a month later they ended up trading Gay which got them under the cap anyways. And all 3 players they sent Cleveland were all expiring. So Cavs got 3 one year rentals and a pick in a stacked draft for a scrub noone has heard of

It's not a 2014 draft pick. It's a 2015 first rounder that has protection

It's a guaranteed lottery pick in 2015, similar to the pick we traded for Lowry, protected 1-5 and 15-30. Horrible trade for Memphis

[mjg13]

John Salmons is going to turn out to be a pretty good piece. I could easily see us moving him with Hansbrough


Salmons + Hansbrough for Perkins + 2014 first

According to the trade board, OKC may trade Lamb for a vet swingman. Not sure if they want Salmons, but maybe Salmons, Ross, Hansborough for Perkins and Lamb?

I think Miami might be a decent fit, problem is that they don't really have salary to match

[mjg13]

John Salmons is going to turn out to be a pretty good piece. I could easily see us moving him with Hansbrough


Salmons + Hansbrough for Perkins + 2014 first

I doubt OKC moves Perkins unless they get back someone who can play C

[Jermaine OBosh]

Golden state might be a decent fit for Kyle Lowry, they don't have a backup PG and they can offer draft pick which could be in range from 12-17 but they don't any fillers to match the salary.