Official Trade Thread - Part XXV

[nate33]

verbal8 posted a real good trade on the Trade Board. I'm going to repost it here:

Washington sends out Ariza to Memphis for Bayless and Ed Davis

For Washington with Porter back and Webster playing pretty well, the Wizards have enough depth to trade Ariza. This deal will give the Wizards a combo guard and a PF/C back-up who can rebound.

Memphis lost Pondexter for the season and Prince doesn't look good this season. They are just out of the play-offs and adding a good starter at SF would increase their chances of making the play-offs. Bayless has struggled and Ed Davis may be hard to keep with big deals for Randolph and Gasol. Also this upgrade occurs without having to give up a pick.

I like this a lot. We sacrifice our one position of excessive depth to address our two positions of need, and we get younger in the process. It also makes sense for Memphis because it gives them a quality starter at a position of extreme need.

The only thing that is missing is a means of unloading Maynor's contract in the process.

There doesn't seem to be a way to work Maynor's deal into it under the cap (unless we add a guy like Prince, which we wouldn't want to do). Given that it is an "extreme need" for MEM, any chance we could hold out for a pick?

Maybe a 2nd round pick. We can then use that pick (plus cash) to get some under-the-cap team to take Maynor off our hands in the offseason.

[nate33]

We've all talked about the possibility of a Greg Monroe trade, and with Drummond's success (and Josh Smith's inability to play the 3) you'd have to think Detroit would move him. How about trading Ariza and Vesely for Monroe and Charlie V? That'd allow Detroit to start a more standard lineup with Josh Smith at PF and Ariza at SF, and give Washington the choice as to whether or not Monroe would be a workable fit with Nene/Gortat in the rotation.

Detroit isn't giving away Monroe for a 4-month rental of Ariza.

If we want Monroe, it would have to be Porter for Monroe, and even then, I'm not sure if Detroit bites. They can probably do better.

[LyricalRico]

Or we could still try to send Maynor and expirings to TOR for Novak. Maynor+Vesely+2nd for Novak+Hansbrough? With the additional frontcourt depth from the Rudy Gay trade, maybe TOR makes that move to shave 2014 salary.

Assuming we also made the MEM deal:

Gortat/Davis
Nene/Hansbrough
Webster/Porter
Beal/GRJ
Wall/Bayless

[sashae]

We've all talked about the possibility of a Greg Monroe trade, and with Drummond's success (and Josh Smith's inability to play the 3) you'd have to think Detroit would move him. How about trading Ariza and Vesely for Monroe and Charlie V? That'd allow Detroit to start a more standard lineup with Josh Smith at PF and Ariza at SF, and give Washington the choice as to whether or not Monroe would be a workable fit with Nene/Gortat in the rotation.

Detroit isn't giving away Monroe for a 4-month rental of Ariza.

If we want Monroe, it would have to be Porter for Monroe, and even then, I'm not sure if Detroit bites. They can probably do better.

I disagree -- it seems like they're less enamored of his game with Drummond in place, and may not be in a position to resign him at the numbers that he wants. For both teams it's effectively taking a flyer on someone who may or may not stay.

[mhd]

Porter+Maynor for Frye & our pick back...who says no?


We can draft best young big with our pick, while Phoenix gets their SF of the future.

[LyricalRico]

Porter+Maynor for Frye & our pick back...who says no?


We can draft best young big with our pick, while Phoenix gets their SF of the future.

Nah, I doubt PHX does it. As of right now, Frye is the best player in the deal and Porter may not even make their rotation (I guess they could move Green to SG).

[pancakes3]

We've all talked about the possibility of a Greg Monroe trade, and with Drummond's success (and Josh Smith's inability to play the 3) you'd have to think Detroit would move him. How about trading Ariza and Vesely for Monroe and Charlie V? That'd allow Detroit to start a more standard lineup with Josh Smith at PF and Ariza at SF, and give Washington the choice as to whether or not Monroe would be a workable fit with Nene/Gortat in the rotation.

Detroit isn't giving away Monroe for a 4-month rental of Ariza.

If we want Monroe, it would have to be Porter for Monroe, and even then, I'm not sure if Detroit bites. They can probably do better.

I disagree -- it seems like they're less enamored of his game with Drummond in place, and may not be in a position to resign him at the numbers that he wants. For both teams it's effectively taking a flyer on someone who may or may not stay.

Just because Detroit doesn't want/need Monroe anymore doesn't mean they're going to undervalue him. Look at how high the pedestal Houston is putting Asik on.

[mhd]

Porter+Maynor for Frye & our pick back...who says no?


We can draft best young big with our pick, while Phoenix gets their SF of the future.

Nah, I doubt PHX does it. As of right now, Frye is the best player in the deal and Porter may not even make their rotation (I guess they could move Green to SG).

It helps with their tank

[pcbothwel]

verbal8 posted a real good trade on the Trade Board. I'm going to repost it here:

Washington sends out Ariza to Memphis for Bayless and Ed Davis

For Washington with Porter back and Webster playing pretty well, the Wizards have enough depth to trade Ariza. This deal will give the Wizards a combo guard and a PF/C back-up who can rebound.

Memphis lost Pondexter for the season and Prince doesn't look good this season. They are just out of the play-offs and adding a good starter at SF would increase their chances of making the play-offs. Bayless has struggled and Ed Davis may be hard to keep with big deals for Randolph and Gasol. Also this upgrade occurs without having to give up a pick.

I like this a lot. We sacrifice our one position of excessive depth to address our two positions of need, and we get younger in the process. It also makes sense for Memphis because it gives them a quality starter at a position of extreme need.

The only thing that is missing is a means of unloading Maynor's contract in the process.

There doesn't seem to be a way to work Maynor's deal into it under the cap (unless we add a guy like Prince, which we wouldn't want to do). Given that it is an "extreme need" for MEM, any chance we could hold out for a pick?

Honestly, I just assume to expand the deal to:

Randolph, Davis, Bayless for Nene, Ariza, Seraphin, and Maynor.

Gortat/Davis/Vesely/Harrington
Randolph/Davis/Booker/Harrington
Webster/ (Rice/Porter)
Beal/ (Rice/Webster)/Bayless/temple
Wall/Bayless/Temple

This gets us out of the extra year for Nene and Randolph’s salary drops from 18.2M to 16.9M next year. Should we extend Gortat (3/36M) and Davis (3/18) and sign our 2015 1st (17th - 25th), then we would be at 50M (Or let Davis go and have about 18M in cap space and go for Love) and run with:

Gortat (12M)/2015 1st?
Davis (7M)
Webster (5.6M)/Porter (4.6M)
Beal (5.6M)
Wall (14.7M)

[nate33]

We've all talked about the possibility of a Greg Monroe trade, and with Drummond's success (and Josh Smith's inability to play the 3) you'd have to think Detroit would move him. How about trading Ariza and Vesely for Monroe and Charlie V? That'd allow Detroit to start a more standard lineup with Josh Smith at PF and Ariza at SF, and give Washington the choice as to whether or not Monroe would be a workable fit with Nene/Gortat in the rotation.

Detroit isn't giving away Monroe for a 4-month rental of Ariza.

If we want Monroe, it would have to be Porter for Monroe, and even then, I'm not sure if Detroit bites. They can probably do better.

I disagree -- it seems like they're less enamored of his game with Drummond in place, and may not be in a position to resign him at the numbers that he wants. For both teams it's effectively taking a flyer on someone who may or may not stay.

I agree that Detroit is likely to shop Monroe. I just think that other teams will offer deals better than a 4-month rental of a competent starting SF.

[Dark Faze]

What do you guys think about Reggie Jackson and Perkins for Ariza and Seraphin?

It's a pretty balanced trade. Of course we have to deal with Perks salary the rest of this year and next year, but it's not that long and we should have a better idea of how much Porter helps us as well.

The key piece here is Reggie Jackson of course. I think he's on Lowrys level and would be a great addition to our bench. I do think Perk helps us more as a backup C than Seraphin, just based on being an intimidating presence that understands his limitations offensively.

The Thunder add significantly to their bench with a pairing of Lamb/Ariza and get out of a contract they didn't think they could.

It's not a slam dunk trade by any means, but the realistic ones often arent.

[dckingsfan]

Are there any teams that have a big that we want that just want expiring contract? I guess the same could be said for a backup PG?

[verbal8]

Porter+Maynor for Frye & our pick back...who says no?


We can draft best young big with our pick, while Phoenix gets their SF of the future.

Nah, I doubt PHX does it. As of right now, Frye is the best player in the deal and Porter may not even make their rotation (I guess they could move Green to SG).

Interesting idea. Currently with both teams at the bottom of the play-offs it doesn't make a lot of sense on either side. However if Phoenix were to drop out of the play-off hunt(it can easily happen in the West) and the Wizards were looking at a 3-5 seed, it could make sense.

Even as a disappointment Porter is probably going to be better than the 2014 pick from the Wizards(especially if it is the in the late teens or early 20s). Also it could drop Phoenix to the bottom of the near miss Western teams - which could be a top 10 pick. I don't think anyone is catching Utah/SAC/MIL in the tank race. However after that I think a team(especially Western Conference) could make a lot of ground even at the trade deadline.

On the Phoenix side it could end up being 14th pick(just missing WC play-offs) and 16th pick(WAS current spot pick) for Porter(#3 pick and a top ten pick). I think Porter will play well enough, but if he is moderately disappointing it might be worth exploring.

[verbal8]

What do you guys think about Reggie Jackson and Perkins for Ariza and Seraphin?

It's a pretty balanced trade. Of course we have to deal with Perks salary the rest of this year and next year, but it's not that long and we should have a better idea of how much Porter helps us as well.

The key piece here is Reggie Jackson of course. I think he's on Lowrys level and would be a great addition to our bench. I do think Perk helps us more as a backup C than Seraphin, just based on being an intimidating presence that understands his limitations offensively.

The Thunder add significantly to their bench with a pairing of Lamb/Ariza and get out of a contract they didn't think they could.

It's not a slam dunk trade by any means, but the realistic ones often arent.

Value-wise it seems about right. I think that is spot on with the trade market for Ariza - slightly useful vet on 2 year deal and prospect. Fit-wise I am not sold. Reggie Jackson is not much of a jump shooter, so it is hard to pair him with Wall. I think it could work well with a 3rd team.

[GeeWiz]

I know this is the trade thread, but for gods sake Ernie.... PICK UP AUGUSTINE.

The Nuggets game should be enough to show him that we need a different PG


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[verbal8]

I know this is the trade thread, but for gods sake Ernie.... PICK UP AUGUSTINE.

The Nuggets game should be enough to show him that we need a different PG

He looks like a great option for a back-up PG. Although I guess it would take a trade or waiving some one to free up a roster spot.

I think I found the candidate:

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... ee-Surgery

[nate33]

I know this is the trade thread, but for gods sake Ernie.... PICK UP AUGUSTINE.

The Nuggets game should be enough to show him that we need a different PG

He looks like a great option for a back-up PG. Although I guess it would take a trade or waiving some one to free up a roster spot.

I think I found the candidate:

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... ee-Surgery

I don't know if the luxtax limit would come into play here. We're pretty close to it now. Waiving someone like Temple to make a roster spot wouldn't waive his salary obligation. So the additional salary of Augustin (or Pierre Jackson, or whomever) might be enough to put us over the limit.

[mhd]

I think if either of my trade ideas: 1) Phoenix offered Frye+our Pick for Porter+Maynor OR 2) Thad Young+Wroten for Porter+Maynor+Seraphin were offered, I'd hope we'd acept.

I think Wroten has got Bledsoe like ability. Memphis were fools for trading him for nothing.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

I know this is the trade thread, but for gods sake Ernie.... PICK UP AUGUSTINE.

The Nuggets game should be enough to show him that we need a different PG

He looks like a great option for a back-up PG. Although I guess it would take a trade or waiving some one to free up a roster spot.

I think I found the candidate:

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... ee-Surgery

What about Leandro Barbosa? He's been rehabbing & is close to returning. He's a FA, if he can show he's healthy he could be a good pickup on a minimum contract.

[TGW]

Verbal made a really good trade on the trade board: Ariza for Bayless and Ed Davis

That's one Ariza trade I would be happy with. Davis is one of those young bigmen that can be groomed to be our future power forward, and Bayless would be an upgrade over the useless Maynor.