Omer Asik Trade - Updated link pg.109

[EvilOtto]

http://www.foxsportsohio.com/nba/cleveland-cavaliers/story/Sam-Amicos-NBA-notes-Knicks-should-explo?blockID=970941&feedID=3724

The Philadelphia 76ers are one of the teams linked to Houston Rockets center Omer Asik, who reportedly is about to be moved. One league executive told FOX Sports Ohio not to rule out the Celtics or Milwaukee Bucks, either

I know it's from Sam Amico, but for a "rumor" at least it's a league source implying a possible Celtics/Asik trade.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Ilyasova makes sense for HOU..


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[Andrew McCeltic]

Calling it now Asik to MIL- predicting it I mean


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[Green89]

It's tough to want to move Bass right now, with the way he's been playing. He's been the silent hero in nearly all our wins lately. Great D against Melo on Sunday.

[sully00]

Ilyasova makes sense for HOU..


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But Bass is outplaying him 11.5/6 on 47% vs 9/5 44% and way less expensive 2 years 13.5 mil vs 3 years 24 mil.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Ilyasova makes sense for HOU..


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Milwaukee doesn't have the Clippers' pick to throw in though.

[31to6]

FWIW Terrance Jones is playing GREAT lately. 13/9/2blks on 50%/40% in 13 games as a starter.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/5024/splits/

at 6'9, 250lbs he's not too small for the position. They could definitely use someone better than Motiejunas behind him, but they may not be looking for a starting PF as much as some think. That said, I'm not sure what else they 'need' other than an upgrade at PG, and that probably becomes a larger deal.

[Celts17Pride]

Not a big fan of Omer Asik.

[gocelts]

No No NO to Asik . . . .he's mediocre and overpaid and the asking price will be too high and we are by no means "1.5 years with Asik" away from contending. This would be completely assinine.

I'd rather just give Vitor more minutes.

[sully00]

No No NO to Asik . . . .he's mediocre and overpaid and the asking price will be too high and we are by no means "1.5 years with Asik" away from contending. This would be completely assinine.

I'd rather just give Vitor more minutes.

How is he overpaid? He makes 8 mil a season for a starting C. Boston is going to send salary out with him so how does the money really matter?

[Tenbomber]

Heres what I think....

The Asik trade happens and this coming summer Melo signs with the Celtics....reuniting him with old prepschool pal Rajon Rondo!

What do you think of them apples?

[Andrew McCeltic]

Ilyasova makes sense for HOU..


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But Bass is outplaying him 11.5/6 on 47% vs 9/5 44% and way less expensive 2 years 13.5 mil vs 3 years 24 mil.

True, but some of 'outplaying' is contextual.. Ilyasova can hit 3's, unlike Bass.

Thaddeus Young has come up as someone the Sixers might move for Asik- I would get in on Bass to HOU, Asik to PHI, Young to BOS. But now I'm predicting Asik will go to MIL for Caron Butler..

[BRUNiNHO91]

I think I've seen enough to seriously consider an Asik trade as long as none of our 1st rounders, Craw, Green, AB, Sully, Oly or Rondo were involved. This might not be a bad year to get better in the East. Asik and Rondo would make us a top 3 team behind Miami and Indiana. A deep run with an up and coming team would not be a disaster in my book.

[AgentGreen]

We really need a rim protector and Asik is a solid one, plus he can go big with scoring points some games. Also i think that Stevens will make him a much more efficient player.

Watched the 2nd half of the Heat - Pacers game and when you see a center like Hibbert kill the Heat, it shows you how important is to have some inside presence. He just dominated the paint tonight, just outplayed Bosh.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Iirc Houston's GM, Morey, is a major stats guy, so if Milwaukee really wants to get Asik, then it seems Morey will prefer Ilyasova over Bass. Ilyasova has had a higher Win Share Per 48 than Bass the last two years and is also more of a defense stretcher...

[StojkoVrankovic]

Iirc Houston's GM, Morey, is a major stats guy, so if Milwaukee really wants to get Asik, then it seems Morey will prefer Ilyasova over Bass. Ilyasova has had a higher Win Share Per 48 than Bass the last two years and is also more of a defense stretcher...

Morey also gave a max contract to Harden who is one of the worst defenders in the league and another one to Dwight who still doesn't have a post game.

Bass has played with Howard, nice midrange game, a much better defender than IIyasova, a budding rap career, and playoff experience. We also have a ton of draft picks to cash in on.

Asik has some Blount like hands, but he is an actual Center that will arguably make us one of the best defensive teams in the league. Rondo/AB/Green/Sully/Asik would be filthy on defense and hopefully passable on offense

[CelticFaninLBC]

Iirc Houston's GM, Morey, is a major stats guy, so if Milwaukee really wants to get Asik, then it seems Morey will prefer Ilyasova over Bass. Ilyasova has had a higher Win Share Per 48 than Bass the last two years and is also more of a defense stretcher...

Morey also gave a max contract to Harden who is one of the worst defenders in the league and another one to Dwight who still doesn't have a post game.

Bass has played with Howard, nice midrange game, a much better defender than IIyasova, a budding rap career, and playoff experience. We also have a ton of draft picks to cash in on.

Asik has some Blount like hands, but he is an actual Center that will arguably make us one of the best defensive teams in the league. Rondo/AB/Green/Sully/Asik would be filthy on defense and hopefully passable on offense

Boston adding a pick could trump Milwaukee's offer. Not a big difference between Bass and Ilyasova.

[AgentGreen]

Well there is also one big difference. Bass's contract is also 1 mill cheaper than Ilyasova's, and Ilyasova's contract is one year longer than Bass's contract.

So Bass is not only a slightly better option than Ilyasova, especially on defense, he is also cheaper. Plus when Boston also offers a pick, like the Clipps pick, well then i'd assume the Rockets would prefer our deal more.

We could also offer them Humphries, dude has been so efficient for us off the bench. He really impressed me with his limited minutes, grabbed al his rebounds he should, hardly misses his jumper and can play some solid D. His contract is worth 10 mill and it will end this season so the Rockets could offer him a new and cheaper deal or just let him go and save 10 mill for some other FA. this could also tempt them to send Asik to Boston. So we could also keep Bass who is our silent power this season so far

Imagine they let Hump go and get rid of Asik and Linn(if Linn gets traded for some expirings). They would save something like 40 mill for next season. Which is absolutely crazy. If they sign the right FA's with that money, they could dominate the East.

[CelticFaninLBC]

The advanced stats, which factor in defense, suggest Ilyasova has been the better player. Not sure if Houston cares much about Ilyasova's contract lasting a little longer than Bass', since they probably won't have cap space in the future...

The LAC pick could give Boston the edge though, and who knows if Milwaukee's even looking to improve their roster...

In regard to Humphries, although he's a solid backup 4, I doubt Houston want hims, as he's not a floor spacer like Bass, and you need a stretch 4 to go with Howard...

[sully00]

Iirc Houston's GM, Morey, is a major stats guy, so if Milwaukee really wants to get Asik, then it seems Morey will prefer Ilyasova over Bass. Ilyasova has had a higher Win Share Per 48 than Bass the last two years and is also more of a defense stretcher...

It is certainly a great buy low opportunity on Ilyasova and the last year of his deal isn't guaranteed. That said he is in a simliar situation as Jeff Green in MIL and he has kind of thrown up all over himself. So sure his numbers look great if you take the first quarter of this year and just let it water down what he did last year. But right now all of his numbers standard, advanced whatever are terrible.

Bass on the other hand continues to play well in either a bench role or starter role, contender or rebuilding situation. You can ride him offensively when his jumper is falling and he can defend all 5 positions for you to an extent. It is strange that a guy with his jump shot doesn't shoot 3's, wonder if that may change under Stevens.

I also think that HOU may target Humphries over Bass. He isn't as versatile or effective defensively but is more productive especially on the glass and his jumper is falling this season. We may also be looking at a 3 team which would make more sense. Where HOU is targeting guys like Ryan Anderson, Ilyasova, but Thad Young and while at least MIL and PHI are listening they are not going to want Asik back in any deal they are going to want salary relief and a draft pick.

This is just my speculation because Boston itself may not want Asik either. But HOU may be trying to put together a 3 team deal that sends Hump and a draft pick to MIL or PHI, Asik to Boston, and returns Ilyasova or Young. This may be the reason for the immediacy of the deal that it isn't HOU that would want to turn around the player they are dealing for but MIL or PHI may want to be able to re-route Humphries at the deadline.

The poker game here is the draft pick, who gives it and what. Interestingly HOU has a boatload of 2nd round picks owed to them 4 extra 2nds over the next 4 years including the Knicks '14, '15 and only owe this years 2nd to PHI. In a 3 team deal where everyone is kind of getting what it wants and Boston is taking on the salary while HOU would be breaking about even and MIL would save 13 mil and PHI 16 mil Boston may get away with not having to give up the pick. Something like PHI gives HOU back its '14 2nd in exchange for HOU '14 1st.