Z-Rex: The Cody Zeller Thread

[Elden Payton]

That's a clean block on Cody "Floor Burns" Zeller. Bogut got a little hands on with his offhand but there isn't hardly any body there, the hand is generally considered part of the ball and Bogut went pretty straight up.

Since when is the hand considered 'generally' a part of the ball?

Collecting the hand or arm on a block is a foul a hundred percent of the time.

He collects him with his body before he even 'blocks' the shot, as he's jumping into Zeller it's a foul.

If it was a 'straight up' block it wouldn't be a foul but it wasn't and it was.

[Eoghan]

That's a clean block on Cody "Floor Burns" Zeller. Bogut got a little hands on with his offhand but there isn't hardly any body there, the hand is generally considered part of the ball and Bogut went pretty straight up.

would've been a foul if it wasn't Cody, Sess gets breathed on he gets fouls

Nah, Bogut would have gotten that block on just about anybody outside the media darlings like LeBron, Wade, etc. That wasn't rookie treatment, just a clean block. Besides, Zeller should have gone up and under or guarded the ball better with one hand instead of challenging Bogut in the first place.

[Elden Payton]

I'm really glad we traded that bum Kemba Walker after his rookie season.

Cody makes 1.3 million more than Kemba does this season, and only one million less than MKG.

We're paying $ 3,857,040 for 5 ppg, 4 rpg, and 7.9 PER. There is no way you can spin that into something positive. He's looking like a bad pick right now.

So it's Cody's fault about the rookie scale?

The guy is a quarter of a way into his rookie year and currently in a redraft would go top 7.

I'm not saying Cody's been good but as a whole this rookie class has stunk it up so far.

[Eoghan]

That's a clean block on Cody "Floor Burns" Zeller. Bogut got a little hands on with his offhand but there isn't hardly any body there, the hand is generally considered part of the ball and Bogut went pretty straight up.

Since when is the hand considered 'generally' a part of the ball?

Collecting the hand or arm on a block is a foul a hundred percent of the time.

He collects him with his body before he even 'blocks' the shot, as he's jumping into Zeller it's a foul.

If it was a 'straight up' block it wouldn't be a foul but it wasn't and it was.

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooope.

http://www.nba.com/features/misunderstoodrules_051128.html

Incidental Contact: The mere fact that contact occurs does not mean a foul has been committed. Players are allowed to contact other players when reaching for a loose ball, or when performing normal offensive and defensive movements. The hand is considered “ part of the ball” when it is in contact with the ball and contact with a players hand when it is in contact with the ball is not a foul.

Refs would need cyborg eyes to differentiate between hand and ball in game speed, otherwise the game would be slowed way down by all the fouls that would be called.

[Eoghan]

I'm really glad we traded that bum Kemba Walker after his rookie season.

Cody makes 1.3 million more than Kemba does this season, and only one million less than MKG.

We're paying $ 3,857,040 for 5 ppg, 4 rpg, and 7.9 PER. There is no way you can spin that into something positive. He's looking like a bad pick right now.

So it's Cody's fault about the rookie scale?

The guy is a quarter of a way into his rookie year and currently in a redraft would go top 7.

I'm not saying Cody's been good but as a whole this rookie class has stunk it up so far.

No, it's Cho's fault for reaching on a mediocre player whose skills don't fit our needs.

[Elden Payton]

@BD

You've listed the rule for INCIDENTAL contact.

Attempts at blocking are DELIBERATE.

Contact with the hand during shooting is a foul.

[BlackOutBuzz]

I like how Biz gets three years plus to prove himself, but we give Cody a quarter season and since he's not immediately Ryan Anderson he's a scrub.

[Elden Payton]

I like how Biz gets three years plus to prove himself, but we give Cody a quarter season and since he's not immediately Ryan Anderson he's a scrub.

Didn't you know that Cody is the scrubbiest, scrub that ever existed?

[Eoghan]

@BD

You've listed the rule for INCIDENTAL contact.

Attempts at blocking are DELIBERATE.

Contact with the hand during shooting is a foul.

For the last damn time, no it isn't.

e. Contact which occurs on the hand of the offensive player, while that hand is in contact with the ball, is legal.

http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_12.html

[Elden Payton]

B. Personal Foul

Section I--Types
a. A player shall not hold, push, charge into, impede the progress of an oppo-nent by extending a hand, forearm, leg or knee or by bending the body into a posi-tion that is not normal. Contact that results in the re-routing of an opponent is a foul which must be called immediately.
b. Contact initiated by the defensive player guarding a player with the ball is not legal. This contact includes, but is not limited to, forearm, hands, or body check.

[Elden Payton]

Incidental contact with the hand against an offensive player shall be ignored if it does not affect the player's speed, quickness, balance and/or rhythm.

[Eoghan]

Sik, come on buddy. The rule I quoted is under the exceptions list, item 'e.' The 'hand is part of the ball' rule is part of the exceptions to the ones you are listing. If Cody's hand is on the ball and Bogut's hand is on Cody's hand, Bogut's hand is not committing a foul.

[Elden Payton]

Sik, come on buddy. The rule I quoted is under the exceptions list, item 'e.' The 'hand is part of the ball' rule is part of the exceptions to the ones you are listing. If Cody's hand is on the ball and Bogut's hand is on Cody's hand, Bogut's hand is not committing a foul.

Bogut gathers off two feet before jumping directly into Zeller with his body and slaps his right hand and knocks the ball loose, which puts Zeller off balance and sends him crashing to the floor.

It's a foul.

Yes you listed an exception but the exception applies if he didn't break the rules listed above (which Bogut did)

[JDR720]

Cody makes 1.3 million more than Kemba does this season, and only one million less than MKG.

We're paying $ 3,857,040 for 5 ppg, 4 rpg, and 7.9 PER. There is no way you can spin that into something positive. He's looking like a bad pick right now.

So it's Cody's fault about the rookie scale?

The guy is a quarter of a way into his rookie year and currently in a redraft would go top 7.

I'm not saying Cody's been good but as a whole this rookie class has stunk it up so far.

No, it's Cho's fault for reaching on a mediocre player whose skills don't fit our needs.

this whole draft was mediocre players and the only players that fit our needs were Oladipo and McLemore one of which we couldn't draft and the other isn't doing so hot in Sac and he is a dime a dozen player 3&D...and Zeller did fill a need we need bigs and he is a big

[catch20two]

I really dislike every other rookie not named Burke and Noel so I can live with Zeller. We didn't need Burke because we had Kemba. I kinda understood why they didn't take Noel because they wanted a player that could contribute right away for our alleged playoff run. I would've took McLemore over Zeller only because he has a higher ceiling but I really dislike his game. He's like Gerald Green with the greenlight to shoot no matter how much he miss. So, Go Zeller! I'll be patient with you as long as you don't blow our games.

[JDR720]

Zeller vs McBob per 36mins

Points- Zeller 10.1, McBob 10.5
Rebounds-Zeller 8.2, McBob 7.3
Steals-Zeller 1.1, McBob 1.3
Blocks-Zeller.8, McBob .6
Assist-Zeller 2.8, McBob 5.2
FG%-Zeller 36%, McBob 40%
FT shooting- Zeller 70%, McBob 63%

Zeller is already equal or even a little better than McBob and he is in the middle of adjusting to the NBA, he'll start next season and average solid numbers

[JDR720]

heck why not start Zeller right now, let Kemba run the offense to start and let McBob be facilitator of 2nd unit so Sess doesn't screw us with tunnel vision`every other game

[catch20two]

Zeller vs McBob per 36mins

Points- Zeller 10.1, McBob 10.5
Rebounds-Zeller 8.2, McBob 7.3
Steals-Zeller 1.1, McBob 1.3
Blocks-Zeller.8, McBob .6
Assist-Zeller 2.8, McBob 5.2
FG%-Zeller 36%, McBob 40%
FT shooting- Zeller 70%, McBob 63%

Zeller is already equal or even a little better than McBob and he is in the middle of adjusting to the NBA, he'll start next season and average solid numbers

Raw numbers never tell the true story but I hope Zeller could take McBob's starting spot although I would prefer Biz to be inserted in the starting lineup with Jefferson as dual bigs.

[catch20two]

heck why not start Zeller right now, let Kemba run the offense to start and let McBob be facilitator of 2nd unit so Sess doesn't screw us with tunnel vision`every other game

That sound like a bright idea but Zeller don't play with enough confidence and turn the ball over too much to start. He be looking like a deer in headlights over half the time. He's just not ready.

[KembaWalker]

Zeller vs McBob per 36mins

Points- Zeller 10.1, McBob 10.5
Rebounds-Zeller 8.2, McBob 7.3
Steals-Zeller 1.1, McBob 1.3
Blocks-Zeller.8, McBob .6
Assist-Zeller 2.8, McBob 5.2
FG%-Zeller 36%, McBob 40%
FT shooting- Zeller 70%, McBob 63%

Zeller is already equal or even a little better than McBob and he is in the middle of adjusting to the NBA, he'll start next season and average solid numbers

not sure how you came up with those numbers making Zeller look better than McBob but either way watching them play its night and day. McBob is ridiculously better at basketball than Cody.

Honestly if you look through all the BS Cody isn't all that much different than Tyrus Thomas was his last couple years here. I cringe the same way for Cody on the out of control drives and getting pushed around like a kid as I did with Tyrus. Tyrus had a better jumpshot though