Andrew Wiggins is not a lock at #1?

Dr Positivity · Post #221 » by **Dr Positivity** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:10 pm

It'll depend on the team but I'd bet on Embiid going 1st right now if I had to choose one.

black bart · Post #222 » by **black bart** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:20 pm

Lindecision wrote:
MrBigShot wrote:Wiggins isn't even the best prospect on his team.

This.

Come draft night there might be 5 guys I'd take ahead of Wiggins.

Julius Randle , Aaron Gordon, and Marcus Smart will never be picked ahead of wiggins, embiid, or jabari parker. Exum is a prospect that could go #1 due to Michael carter Williams success. Embiid could go #1 due to him being the only big man with size. Jabari Parker could be picked #1 since he is by far and away the most complete and nba ready player. I can't see any other player besides these 4 being #1. If you think wiggins is overrated, you must think Julius randle is overrated as well.

OleSchool · Post #223 » by **OleSchool** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:46 pm

Lindecision wrote:
MrBigShot wrote:Wiggins isn't even the best prospect on his team.

This.

Come draft night there might be 5 guys I'd take ahead of Wiggins.

I'm not seeing the hype on WIggins either, but I think you're going a little overboard here. Who are the5 guys you would take over him?

Jaylee209 · Post #224 » by **Jaylee209** » Wed Dec 11, 2013 12:39 am

This guy is garbage! He has no skills other than jumping higher than most people. Florida is playing zone and no one can create a shot for themselves!

MrBigShot · Post #225 » by **MrBigShot** » Wed Dec 11, 2013 12:50 am

I'd take Exum/Embiid/Parker all over him based on what I've seen so far.

Dr Positivity · Post #226 » by **Dr Positivity** » Wed Dec 11, 2013 1:19 am

Kansas playing weak is the most impactful thing. Being tagged with an underperforming team is one of the worst things that happens to a prospective top pick.

bigboi · Post #227 » by **bigboi** » Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:13 am

Problem with Wiggins is he passes way too much. He's really good when he wants to be

DNice68 · Post #228 » by **DNice68** » Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:43 am

bigboi wrote:Problem with Wiggins is he passes way too much. He's really good when he wants to be

Totally agree!

PaperLantern · Post #229 » by **PaperLantern** » Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:11 am

Jaylee209 wrote:This guy is garbage! He has no skills other than jumping higher than most people. Florida is playing zone and no one can create a shot for themselves!

This guy can take two steps from the three point line and be at the basket for a finish over inferior athletes. I'd still take Wiggins top 3 without hesitation.

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TheSuzerain · Post #230 » by **TheSuzerain** » Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:50 am

Wiggins played great tonight.

KU will contend by years end. Just need to bench Naadir Tharpe and never play Tarik Black again.

Lindecision · Post #231 » by **Lindecision** » Wed Dec 11, 2013 7:37 am

sikma42 wrote:
Lindecision wrote:
MrBigShot wrote:Wiggins isn't even the best prospect on his team.

This.

Come draft night there might be 5 guys I'd take ahead of Wiggins.

well that is just silly. 5???

I'd take Parker, Randle, Gordon, Smart, Embiid and Exum all ahead of him.

PaperLantern wrote:
Jaylee209 wrote:This guy is garbage! He has no skills other than jumping higher than most people. Florida is playing zone and no one can create a shot for themselves!

This guy can take two steps from the three point line and be at the basket for a finish over inferior athletes. I'd still take Wiggins top 3 without hesitation.

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So? Being able to use his athleticism against college bums doesn't mean jack. Unlike the 6 prospects listed above, Wiggins hasn't shown any real basketball skills that can translate to the NBA.

Okada · Post #232 » by **Okada** » Wed Dec 11, 2013 7:43 am

Best high school prospect in a decade plays 9 college basketball games (and actually plays pretty well, no less) and suddenly he's not a top 5 pick? Relax.

MrBigShot · Post #233 » by **MrBigShot** » Wed Dec 11, 2013 8:04 am

Lindecision wrote:
sikma42 wrote:
Lindecision wrote:
This.

Come draft night there might be 5 guys I'd take ahead of Wiggins.

well that is just silly. 5???

I'd take Parker, Randle, Gordon, Smart, Embiid and Exum all ahead of him.

Gordon? That's just silly.

Okada · Post #234 » by **Okada** » Wed Dec 11, 2013 8:16 am

Lol @ the "hasn't shown any real basketball skills that can translate to the NBA."

Yes, because being an elite college basketball player from day 1 at 18 years old typically involves a lack of NBA skill.

gcates · Post #235 » by **gcates** » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:24 am

MrBigShot wrote:
Lindecision wrote:
sikma42 wrote:
well that is just silly. 5???

I'd take Parker, Randle, Gordon, Smart, Embiid and Exum all ahead of him.

Gordon? That's just silly.

Don't sleep on Gordon...

Post #236 » by **Ruzious** » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:48 am

DNice68 wrote:
bigboi wrote:Problem with Wiggins is he passes way too much. He's really good when he wants to be

Totally agree!

Then he must not pass very well, because he has a grand total of 1 assist in the last 4 games?

Post #237 » by **Ruzious** » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:51 am

gcates wrote:
MrBigShot wrote:
Lindecision wrote:
I'd take Parker, Randle, Gordon, Smart, Embiid and Exum all ahead of him.

Gordon? That's just silly.

Don't sleep on Gordon...

Gordon's a smallish PF without great reach who doesn't shoot real well.

gcates · Post #238 » by **gcates** » Wed Dec 11, 2013 1:29 pm

Ruzious wrote:
gcates wrote:
MrBigShot wrote:
Gordon? That's just silly.

Don't sleep on Gordon...

Gordon's a smallish PF without great reach who doesn't shoot real well.

Shooting can easily improve, and it's not like he's a perimeter player prospect with a broken jumpshot. His game doesn't rely on his shooting prowess.

Honestly, I agree, he can certainly put on some weight, but his frame will handle it well and he isn't exactly small in the height/length sense. Higher standing reach than Julius Randle and a slightly greater wingspan to boot.

Kid can ball man...I'm just sayin.

CBB_Fan · Post #239 » by **CBB_Fan** » Wed Dec 11, 2013 1:30 pm

Don't know how many saw it, but Wiggins scored 11 points in about 1:30 last night and almost was able to turn a blowout into a win by himself. It may not be that important in terms of wins or losses, but I think it helps show that he does have a little alpha dog personality in him. Stats:

7-15 FG
4-9 3PT
8-8 FT
11 RBDs (4 O - 7 D)
2 BLKs

Overall a very impressive statline. Really like the Paul George comparison for him, though Wiggins will come in a year younger and probably play better than George did his rookie year (thinking more like last year's George). Is that a lock for the #1 pick? I think it is a lock for the top tier, but at that tier I think teams pick on need.

Post #240 » by **Ruzious** » Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:26 pm

CBB_Fan wrote:Don't know how many saw it, but Wiggins scored 11 points in about 1:30 last night and almost was able to turn a blowout into a win by himself. It may not be that important in terms of wins or losses, but I think it helps show that he does have a little alpha dog personality in him. Stats:

7-15 FG
4-9 3PT
8-8 FT
11 RBDs (4 O - 7 D)
2 BLKs

Overall a very impressive statline. Really like the Paul George comparison for him, though Wiggins will come in a year younger and probably play better than George did his rookie year (thinking more like last year's George). Is that a lock for the #1 pick? I think it is a lock for the top tier, but at that tier I think teams pick on need.

Agreed. That's the kind of game some of us were waiting for. I think teams wanting a player who they can run their offense through right away will take Parker ahead of Wiggins, and depending on how Embiid looks, a team wanting a center could pick him first. But Wiggins has probably the best chance right now of going 1st.