Ersan Trade Ideas - Think hard guys (and Sanders)

[RandyBreuer]

Would be interested in taking McGee off your hands to accelerate our tank. What is the status of his injury?

[The Rebel]

We've been having pretty good discussion on our board concerning the Sanders/Henson situation. There's pretty good reason to believe they can't co-exist in a productive manner. At least, they can't co-exist in the same lineups consistently. I personally think in the long run they are both great luxuries to have and neither player has even come close to their ceiling. However, in this draft, if you're willing to throw us a considerable deal - a deal that makes us less palatable this season - AND throw us a lotto pick...I'm all ears.

Let's start by saying this: Sanders is available. What do you offer us?

I would give you the Knicks pick for Sanders, the big thing is going to be filler, as I have a feeling the Nuggets would insist something like McGee and Fournier for OJ Mayo or something, and some Nuggets fans think that is actually too much.

So, clear this up for me...you'd like Mayo instead of Ersan? Because, we can definitely make that work. I imagine you want some quality bench scoring? This would enable us to swing Ersan in a 3-Way deal with Asik. But, we'd have to consider taking back McGee in lieu of Arthur to make salaries work?

It would either have to be Ersan going to a 3rd team for a starting SG or OJ Mayo, as the Nuggets have 2 holes in their lineup starting center, and SG.

[bizarro]

I would give you the Knicks pick for Sanders, the big thing is going to be filler, as I have a feeling the Nuggets would insist something like McGee and Fournier for OJ Mayo or something, and some Nuggets fans think that is actually too much.

So, clear this up for me...you'd like Mayo instead of Ersan? Because, we can definitely make that work. I imagine you want some quality bench scoring? This would enable us to swing Ersan in a 3-Way deal with Asik. But, we'd have to consider taking back McGee in lieu of Arthur to make salaries work?

It would either have to be Ersan going to a 3rd team for a starting SG or OJ Mayo, as the Nuggets have 2 holes in their lineup starting center, and SG.

Well, I can tell you what:

I'm working with you up until the crack of dawn of December 15th. We can make a Sanders and Mayo deal work. Would you be willing to give up Arthur and Fournier and your 1st if we take something of yours you do not want?

[cinematographer]

Fournier is struggling, but if you think Nate Robinson is bad then i do now know what to tell you.

As for Arthur being a spread 4, if your only definition is shooting 3 point shots then you are right, Arthur is not that, but he is damn good at the long 2s, which happen to be shots that Shaw and the front office is happy with him taking.

Let's assume the success rate of Arthur's long-2s this year are his true talent level.

That's still only 1.04 points per possession, + the likelihood of an offensive rebound * Denver's ORtg.

Let's say Ersan is only a 44% shooter above the break. That's 1.32 points per possession, + the likelihood of an offensive rebound * Denver's ORtg.

However happy the Denver front office is with Arthur shooting long-2s, they'd be even happier swapping those out with Ilyasova shooting 3s.

Also you can talk about adjusted plus minus numbers all you want, but at the end of the day all plus minus is dependant on teammates and backups, not to mention RAPM has plenty of flaws on its own.

Just like all assist numbers are dependent on scheme and the players around them, and so on and so forth about every statistic that has the caveat of being a product of the on-court environment around them, which is all of them.

As for Memphis fleecing the Nuggets, how is that working out for Memphis right now?

One quarter of the way into a season, where Memphis is suffering from quite the injury affliction, and we're going to grade the trade on the outcome of the, to date, small sample of games, and not the process behind the trade? Really?

supposedly according to RAPM and every other stat he was a very good starting center last year, yet just like many other former Nuggets players, his numbers were dramatically inflated. The thing that people do not realize about Koufos is that he is only actually good against undersized centers, on teams that do not run the pick and roll. One of the reasons the Nuggets lost the series against the Warriors last year is that their bigs could not figure out how to hedge on a pick and roll and Bogut ate Koufos alive down in the paint.

And another reason the lost the series is, you know, the lights-out shooting from Steph and Klay.

I have watched them both, and I will gladly take Arthur's defense over Koufos, not to mention his offense.

Well, you know you're in the minority in that. And many teams would gladly let you hang on to Nate Robinson.

[cinematographer]

It would either have to be Ersan going to a 3rd team for a starting SG or OJ Mayo, as the Nuggets have 2 holes in their lineup starting center, and SG.

I'm confused. You'd rather have OJ Mayo at the 2 than Nate Rob or Fournier?

[cinematographer]

I'm working with you up until the crack of dawn of December 15th. We can make a Sanders and Mayo deal work. Would you be willing to give up Arthur and Fournier and your 1st if we take something of yours you do not want?

The pick they have left to give is the more-favorable of theirs and the Knicks. Just throwing that into the mix.

[bizarro]

It would either have to be Ersan going to a 3rd team for a starting SG or OJ Mayo, as the Nuggets have 2 holes in their lineup starting center, and SG.

I'm confused. You'd rather have OJ Mayo at the 2 than Nate Rob or Fournier?

Shhhhhhhhushhhhhhhhh!

I'm working out a deal here!

[bizarro]

I'm working with you up until the crack of dawn of December 15th. We can make a Sanders and Mayo deal work. Would you be willing to give up Arthur and Fournier and your 1st if we take something of yours you do not want?

The pick they have left to give is the more-favorable of theirs and the Knicks. Just throwing that into the mix.

Oh, I'm well aware. That's why I keep wiping up the drool on my trade hotline.

[cinematographer]

I'm working with you up until the crack of dawn of December 15th. We can make a Sanders and Mayo deal work. Would you be willing to give up Arthur and Fournier and your 1st if we take something of yours you do not want?

The pick they have left to give is the more-favorable of theirs and the Knicks. Just throwing that into the mix.

Oh, I'm well aware. That's why I keep wiping up the drool on my trade hotline.

[Chapter29]

Let's follow this up with a Sanders or Henson trade thread. Because one has to go.

Why is that exactly? Because they don't fit on the court together? Perhaps we need to mix in a stretch 4....oh wait....we have that.

I see no issues with Henson and Sanders in the FC rotation together. Both starting? Not sure, but I don't think Henson has earned being a starter. I had hoped he would have easily beat out Ersan but outside of last night that really hasn't happened.

I'd say lets give Henson and Sanders a chance to play together before we get rid of one of our few good players on the roster.

Trading Ersan is probably a good idea. Both for tank purposes as well as just building for the future. We don't need Ersan currently.

I fear there will be many sad people around here at the end of the season. This team is not a 20% win rate team. We are closer to probably a 40% win rate team. My guess is that this team will start to win games like these just often enough to keep us out of the top 5 in the draft.

Trading Ersan and Sanders would make sure we stayed in that top 5, that much is probably certain.

[Ill-yasova]

Let's follow this up with a Sanders or Henson trade thread. Because one has to go.

Why is that exactly? Because they don't fit on the court together? Perhaps we need to mix in a stretch 4....oh wait....we have that.

I see no issues with Henson and Sanders in the FC rotation together. Both starting? Not sure, but I don't think Henson has earned being a starter. I had hoped he would have easily beat out Ersan but outside of last night that really hasn't happened.

I'd say lets give Henson and Sanders a chance to play together before we get rid of one of our few good players on the roster.

Trading Ersan is probably a good idea. Both for tank purposes as well as just building for the future. We don't need Ersan currently.

I fear there will be many sad people around here at the end of the season. This team is not a 20% win rate team. We are closer to probably a 40% win rate team. My guess is that this team will start to win games like these just often enough to keep us out of the top 5 in the draft.

Trading Ersan and Sanders would make sure we stayed in that top 5, that much is probably certain.

I agree with Chap here. With the amount of minutes Henson got last year we never even really saw the two of them play at the same time all that often. Obviously a stretch four with Henson isn't working because we are doing that right now and Ersan is MIA. Let's just leave those two alone and see what happens.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

I fear there will be many sad people around here at the end of the season. This team is not a 20% win rate team. We are closer to probably a 40% win rate team. My guess is that this team will start to win games like these just often enough to keep us out of the top 5 in the draft.

Trading Ersan and Sanders would make sure we stayed in that top 5, that much is probably certain.

we may be a 40% win rate team against the other 6-7 bottomfeeders
20% against any team not trying to tank. playing all out for the playoffs.

then against teams with actual winning records?
i will be surprised if we pick up a win. but i will give us 1-2 just to be realistic

add all that up and were a bottom 3 team easy. this 40% overall win thing youre talking about is the bobcats and the pistons. that aint us by a mile.


.

[paulpressey25]

I would give you the Knicks pick for Sanders, the big thing is going to be filler, as I have a feeling the Nuggets would insist something like McGee and Fournier for OJ Mayo or something, and some Nuggets fans think that is actually too much.

Sanders is tough to deal with his extension status, but I'd definitely trade him for the Knicks pick. Figure out the salaries and filler you want, and we've got a deal.

[The Rebel]

Would be interested in taking McGee off your hands to accelerate our tank. What is the status of his injury?

Indefinite return time, and he would have to be included, both due to no longer fitting with the team, and he is overpaid. If the Nuggets were to take OJ, than they will definitively need to move McGee in the deal.

[The Rebel]

So, clear this up for me...you'd like Mayo instead of Ersan? Because, we can definitely make that work. I imagine you want some quality bench scoring? This would enable us to swing Ersan in a 3-Way deal with Asik. But, we'd have to consider taking back McGee in lieu of Arthur to make salaries work?

It would either have to be Ersan going to a 3rd team for a starting SG or OJ Mayo, as the Nuggets have 2 holes in their lineup starting center, and SG.

Well, I can tell you what:

I'm working with you up until the crack of dawn of December 15th. We can make a Sanders and Mayo deal work. Would you be willing to give up Arthur and Fournier and your 1st if we take something of yours you do not want?

No on Arthur, the Nuggets just traded their starting center for Arthur and are reportedly very high on both Fournier and Arthur. Personally I would trade Fournier as he is buried on the depth chart, and will not get much time to develop, but I am not even sure the Nuggets would if they sent out that pick.

[Nebula1]

3 team deal with Boston and Houston


Something with the Lakers

[The Rebel]

I would give you the Knicks pick for Sanders, the big thing is going to be filler, as I have a feeling the Nuggets would insist something like McGee and Fournier for OJ Mayo or something, and some Nuggets fans think that is actually too much.

Sanders is tough to deal with his extension status, but I'd definitely trade him for the Knicks pick. Figure out the salaries and filler you want, and we've got a deal.

From my math the Nuggets could actually take Sanders back with their TPE, but I doubt they are willing to go into the tax this year, so the deal could literally be McGee and the pick for Mayo and Sanders and a 2nd. With Sanders coming in through the TPE.

Or something like Sanders for the TPE, then McGee & Fournier for Illysova, with illysova going to the Rockets for Asik, and then spinning Asik to the Celtics for the Courtney Lee & the 2014 Hawks pick or Clippers 2015 pick coming to Denver. Of course there will have to be fillers included, but I think that is a decent deal for everybody involved.

[paulpressey25]

From my math the Nuggets could actually take Sanders back with their TPE, but I doubt they are willing to go into the tax this year, so the deal could literally be McGee and the pick for Mayo and Sanders and a 2nd. With Sanders coming in through the TPE.

Knicks pick is unprotected...right?

I think everyone here would be at least interested in discussing this type of deal.

[The Rebel]

From my math the Nuggets could actually take Sanders back with their TPE, but I doubt they are willing to go into the tax this year, so the deal could literally be McGee and the pick for Mayo and Sanders and a 2nd. With Sanders coming in through the TPE.

Knicks pick is unprotected...right?

I think everyone here would be at least interested in discussing this type of deal.

No protection on the pick.

[ReasonablySober]

From my math the Nuggets could actually take Sanders back with their TPE, but I doubt they are willing to go into the tax this year, so the deal could literally be McGee and the pick for Mayo and Sanders and a 2nd. With Sanders coming in through the TPE.

Knicks pick is unprotected...right?

I think everyone here would be at least interested in discussing this type of deal.

I think it'd be a pretty ideal trade. The Bucks may not get someone who impacts the game like Sanders with that Knicks pick, but they already have a potential replacement at center on the roster in Henson. You get another chance to add a piece that better fits with a Henson/Giannis core going forward.