Ersan Trade Ideas - Think hard guys (and Sanders)

[LUKE23]

The odds of Larry being a more valuable asset 2 months from now far outweigh the odds of that NY pick being top 10 IMO, and it's not even close.

This is really all that needs to be said.

[TroyD92]

The Bucks are terrible trade partners for the Nugs, sorry to be a buzzkill but its true...

Based on?

The Bucks have 2 good young centers, the Nuggets need a young center to go with their core.

The Bucks have nobody from the 1-3 positions that is ready to be more then an average starter at best, the Nuggets have 4 pgs, and 2 starting quality Sfs.

The Bucks need to rebuild, the Nuggets have possibly the most valuable pick that could possibly be on the market.

To trade Sanders the Bucks need a team with a TPE over $9.4 million, cap space, or have to make a very large complicated deal to make it work.

The Nuggets have a TPE for 9.87 Million from the Igoudala deal.

The Nuggets despite east coast reporters saying otherwise have no intention of rebuilding and have a playoff team that has a couple of holes in the roster, the Bucks need to rebuild.

A deal between these 2 teams make plenty of sense to me.

Hopefully you're right. I'd be more then willing personally.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

The Bucks need to rebuild, the Nuggets have possibly the most valuable pick that could possibly be on the market.

is this a fact that its a pick that could actually be on the market? what gives you that impression?

[whatthe_buck!?]

The Bucks are terrible trade partners for the Nugs, sorry to be a buzzkill but its true...

Based on?

The Bucks have 2 good young centers, the Nuggets need a young center to go with their core.

The Bucks have nobody from the 1-3 positions that is ready to be more then an average starter at best, the Nuggets have 4 pgs, and 2 starting quality Sfs.

The Bucks need to rebuild, the Nuggets have possibly the most valuable pick that could possibly be on the market.

To trade Sanders the Bucks need a team with a TPE over $9.4 million, cap space, or have to make a very large complicated deal to make it work.

The Nuggets have a TPE for 9.87 Million from the Igoudala deal.

The Nuggets despite east coast reporters saying otherwise have no intention of rebuilding and have a playoff team that has a couple of holes in the roster, the Bucks need to rebuild.

A deal between these 2 teams make plenty of sense to me.

No you're right, I should have clarified. If the Nuggets were truly willing to give up one of their firsts unprotected for Sanders then u guys would absolutely make a great trade partner for us. I just don't think the Nuggets FO would be willing to do that. As far as your surplus of backcourt players, we don't want to solve our backcourt situation, we want to lose and adding pieces that fit to our backcourt would be counterproductive. So let me state my position more clearly; I think the assets both team have could potentially work great in a trade, but I think the strategies both FOs are executing -or in the case of the bucks, should be executing but are likely too stupid too- make the two teams bad -or maybe a better wording is 'extremely unlikely'- trade partners.

[Nycballa2k]

I wanted Isiah Thomas but the board decided they preferred Marquis Teague or to keep Knight

now Thomas is playing great basketball and starting while Knight is an undersized SG and Teague can't find minutes on a team with literally one PG who expired about 3 years ago

[MrPerfect1]

I think the Knicks are still almost a lock to make the playoffs.

There is currently some underestimation I think of how badly teams will be tanking in the Eastern Conference to avoid the 7th and 8th playoff spots. Just by actually trying, NYK is going to roll off a lot of wins, especially near the end of the year. 30 wins might be all that is required to get them in this year.

[paulpressey25]

The Bucks are terrible trade partners for the Nugs, sorry to be a buzzkill but its true...

I think that pick is a huge asset. That is the type of asset we need to target.

Will that pick be top 3? Well, right now it is.

By the end of the year, can the Knicks dig out of their hole? Remember, this is James Dolan running things. He's basically Herb Kohl's younger protege in some respects. That team is a mess.

If a month from now, the Knicks are still terrible, that pick is going to be untouchable, if it isn't already.

I understand if you don't want to take the risk here, but these are exactly the type of moves the Bucks need to be considering.

[whatthe_buck!?]

I wanted Isiah Thomas but the board decided they preferred Marquis Teague or to keep Knight

now Thomas is playing great basketball and starting while Knight is an undersized SG and Teague can't find minutes on a team with literally one PG who expired about 3 years ago

What does Isiah Thomas do for this team in the short or long run though really? I get he's a nice player, but what does he really do for us?

[whatthe_buck!?]

The Bucks are terrible trade partners for the Nugs, sorry to be a buzzkill but its true...

I think that pick is a huge asset. That is the type of asset we need to target.

Will that pick be top 3? Well, right now it is.

By the end of the year, can the Knicks dig out of their hole? Remember, this is James Dolan running things. He's basically Herb Kohl's younger protege in some respects. That team is a mess.

If a month from now, the Knicks are still terrible, that pick is going to be untouchable, if it isn't already.

I understand if you don't want to take the risk here, but these are exactly the type of moves the Bucks need to be considering.

No I mean youre absolutely right, Im behind a trade of Sanders for Knicks unprotected pick (see my above response to The Rebel), but that's the only trade I'm doing with them and I don't see any possibility, like literally zero, that the Nuggets FO pulls the trigger on that deal.

Btw, what did u think of my Lakers trade proposal on the last page out of curiosity?

[ConoverBucks]

Here's a question I just asked Chad Ford in his chat and his response:

Ben (WI)

What could the Bucks get for Larry Sanders if they were to trade him right now? Would anyone even trade for him right now?
Chad Ford (1:19 PM)

Would be pennies on the dollar. Don't think they can trade him right. Think Ersan Ilyasova is the trade bait.

[whatthe_buck!?]

Here's a question I just asked Chad Ford in his chat and his response:

Ben (WI)

What could the Bucks get for Larry Sanders if they were to trade him right now? Would anyone even trade for him right now?
Chad Ford (1:19 PM)

Would be pennies on the dollar. Don't think they can trade him right. Think Ersan Ilyasova is the trade bait.

I agree in the sense that now isn't the right time to trade Sanders if you're looking to maximize value as much as is possible, but I do think that with the right team, if we asked for something other than an expiring contract for Sanders (inotherwords a salary filler player(s) whose contract(s) are 2 years long or more) we could definitely get a 1st for him. Is that "pennies on the dollar"? Debatable.

[MrPerfect1]

I think anything outside of Top 7 or so is Pennies on the Dollar for 1 of the Best Defensive C's in the League who actually likes playing in a Small Market

[Ron Swanson]

Here's a question I just asked Chad Ford in his chat and his response:

Ben (WI)

What could the Bucks get for Larry Sanders if they were to trade him right now? Would anyone even trade for him right now?
Chad Ford (1:19 PM)

Would be pennies on the dollar. Don't think they can trade him right. Think Ersan Ilyasova is the trade bait.

Enough said. Trading Larry down the road may be a smart option and yield some valuable assets, trading him right now is stupid asset management. Kohl panic move at it's finest...

[yoshii8]

I think Ekpe, Ersan, Butler, Ridnour and Neal are all going to be available. I hope we can get an extra first, and some young upside guys in return.

[Rockmaninoff]

I keep coming back to Charlotte. They're obviously trying to "win now". They've got multiple picks and young prospects. I'll even take future 1sts or swaps in order to make it happen.

Ilyasova/Mayo for Gordon/?????

[whatthe_buck!?]

Here's a question I just asked Chad Ford in his chat and his response:

Ben (WI)

What could the Bucks get for Larry Sanders if they were to trade him right now? Would anyone even trade for him right now?
Chad Ford (1:19 PM)

Would be pennies on the dollar. Don't think they can trade him right. Think Ersan Ilyasova is the trade bait.

Enough said. Trading Larry down the road may be a smart option and yield some valuable assets, trading him right now is stupid asset management. Kohl panic move at it's finest...

Not to be disagreeable, I mean I definitely agree that waiting on a Sanders trade is very likely the prudent course of action, but it only takes one GM to make a decent offer and if we get one now I wouldn't necessarily dismiss it outright (depending on the offer obviously); there is always the possibility that Larry could come back and lower his value further as well...

[Nowak008]

Said that we should go all in for trading for that Knicks pick a week or two ago. That is going to be a top 7 pick IMO. Everything should be on the table sans Yanni and our first. I think the most interesting aspect now is Kohl might have soured on Sanders and might want him out of here.

[whatthe_buck!?]

Said that we should go all in for trading for that Knicks pick a week or two ago. That is going to be a top 7 pick IMO. Everything should be on the table sans Yanni and our first. I think the most interesting aspect now is Kohl might have soured on Sanders and might want him out of here.

If u can convice me the Nuggets FO could develop any kind of motivation to trade that pick without protection for anybody besides a legitimate superstar I would care a lot more about considering different Bucks-Nuggets trade scenarios...

[WeekapaugGroove]

The teams that make some kind of sense for an Ersan trade to me are the Thunder, the Warriors, the Spurs, the Clippers, the Rockets and the Lakers. Of those teams, I think the Rockets and Lakers are the best fits. Since the Rockets trade scenarios have been played out I'll do a Laker proposal (I also think the team most willing to give up their pick out of those teams would be the lakers honestly). The trade:

Lakers trade: Steve Nash, 2014 1st top 6 protected, rolls over if it ends up a top 6 pick

Bucks trade: Ersanator

Simple. Good for both teams. Respective values of outgoing trade pieces match up just about perfectly IMO. And for those who may worry Nash would help win games, I would argue that there's just as good of a chance he helps the tank and that if he plays a lot of minutes he will probably get injured. Nice expiring contract to go into the offseason with as well.

Also, imo it's a huge boon for the development of the young guys on the time to be around a true pro with the work ethic and unselfishness of Nash. I really love this trade needless to say.

I don't think the lakers are allowed to trade their 2014 pick because they owe their 2015 unprotected to Phoenix as part of the Nash s&t. It's funny how bad that deal looks a yr later not only is Nash a huge negative salary asset but they lost the pick that ended up being Archie Goodwin and will also lose what will prob be a decent pick in 15.


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[Nowak008]

If u can convice me the Nuggets FO could develop any kind of motivation to trade that pick without protection for anybody besides a legitimate superstar I would care a lot more about considering different Bucks-Nuggets trade scenarios...

New front office always wants to make a splash to prove that they know what they're doing. I think they look at their core and don't want to wait 3 years for a rookie to develop. Also, GM's like to deal with what they know - there is a lot of uncertainty with the Knicks pick and I think Sanders is a pretty proven commodity that would be a great fit for them.