Jeremy Lamb....

[sc8581]

I want Moose gone as much as anyone, but that isn't near enough of a return.

We still wouldn't have a SF.

[ocellatus921]

Stuckey makes absolutely just about no sense for Oklahoma. One angle that would make some kind of sense would be a deal centered around Monroe for Lamb. I don't think a straight up swap would be fair or financially beneficial for Oklahoma, so they would somehow have to work Perkins in that deal too. In that case, we would need a filler and Jonas Jerebko works perfectly, making it a fair deal. I think I would want a pick or Perry Jones added too though.

Ideally, just for my own personal benefit, if we could unload Bynum it would be amazing. So maybe Perry Jones going to Sacramento along with Jerebko, Bynum and Fredette coming back to Detroit, and Thompson going to OKC. Overall deal

To Detroit:
Jeremy Lamb
Kendrick Perkins
Jimmer Fredette

Addresses their need for perimeter shooting while adding a big body in Perkins. Perkins could be amnestied in the off season, his contract really doesn't hurt this team. Cheeks had an opportunity to work with Lamb last season, could be something there possibly....

To Oklahoma:
Greg Monroe
Jason Thompson

Addresses their need for some much needed low post scoring.

To Sacramento:
Will Bynum
Jonas Jerebko
Perry Jones

Bynum gives them a veteran point guard off the bench, Jones gives them another guy with some kind of potential possibly, and Jerebko contract wise is better than Thompson's contract.

If only it was that easy...

I think Monroe & Bynum for Lamb, Adams, Jones & 2013 1st.

[DetroitDon15]

I wouldn't mind the deal. Lamb has a great shooting stroke, and plenty of potential. Problem is- Stuckey is the better player right now. And, we're all aware that Dumars has zero concern for the future of this team. His sole concern is making this team the best it can be THIS season, as he currently doesn't have a contract extending past this summer.

I think Stuckey is a goner anyways. I think someone will give Stuckey over the MLE in the offseason. I'd be happy to get a piece or two to help us out down the road. I think adding Perkins who can play a little will add depth when we lose Monroe this offseason.

[DocRI]

I wouldn't mind the deal. Lamb has a great shooting stroke, and plenty of potential. Problem is- Stuckey is the better player right now. And, we're all aware that Dumars has zero concern for the future of this team. His sole concern is making this team the best it can be THIS season, as he currently doesn't have a contract extending past this summer.

I think Stuckey is a goner anyways. I think someone will give Stuckey over the MLE in the offseason. I'd be happy to get a piece or two to help us out down the road. I think adding Perkins who can play a little will add depth when we lose Monroe this offseason.

Two things —

1) Saying Perkins can "play a little" is kinda being generous to him at this point.

2) Sorry to sound like a broken record, but Monroe is a restricted free agent and the Pistons can match a max contract offer, so there is ZERO chance that we "lose" him this offseason; if he's not a Piston next year, it's because we traded him and were therefore compensated in return. The idea that Moose may walk after this year is just flat-out wrong. I get seeing it on the General and T&T boards, but c'mon, we're all supposed to be Pistons fans here and should know that him walking is NOT a realistic possibility! Argue all you want about whether we should trade him or not, but enough with this fallacy that we could lose him for nothing.

[DTP]

I want Moose gone as much as anyone, but that isn't near enough of a return.

We still wouldn't have a SF.

What small forward do you think we'll be able to realistically acquire?

Also, don't think there's any way OKC includes Adams in any deal giving up Lamb.

[dan2314]

jeremy lamb has become soooo incredibly overrated. he has done NOTHING so far in the NBA, but he is this magical prospect that everyone is certain is going to breakout. saying that, sure, if youre getting a pick out of it aswell as lamb for stuckey then sure. not going to happen, but sure.

[sc8581]

jeremy lamb has become soooo incredibly overrated. he has done NOTHING so far in the NBA, but he is this magical prospect that everyone is certain is going to breakout. saying that, sure, if youre getting a pick out of it aswell as lamb for stuckey then sure. not going to happen, but sure.

Harrison Barnes gets a lot more attention and has also done nothing so...

[dan2314]

jeremy lamb has become soooo incredibly overrated. he has done NOTHING so far in the NBA, but he is this magical prospect that everyone is certain is going to breakout. saying that, sure, if youre getting a pick out of it aswell as lamb for stuckey then sure. not going to happen, but sure.

Harrison Barnes gets a lot more attention and has also done nothing so...

barnes played really well after about 50-55 games into last season.. he has done plenty. much more than jeremy lamb, who seems to almost have the same, if not more, trade value than barnes among posters here, and even talk league wide occasionally.

[sc8581]

I wouldn't mind the deal. Lamb has a great shooting stroke, and plenty of potential. Problem is- Stuckey is the better player right now. And, we're all aware that Dumars has zero concern for the future of this team. His sole concern is making this team the best it can be THIS season, as he currently doesn't have a contract extending past this summer.

I think Stuckey is a goner anyways. I think someone will give Stuckey over the MLE in the offseason. I'd be happy to get a piece or two to help us out down the road. I think adding Perkins who can play a little will add depth when we lose Monroe this offseason.

Two things —

1) Saying Perkins can "play a little" is kinda being generous to him at this point.

2) Sorry to sound like a broken record, but Monroe is a restricted free agent and the Pistons can match a max contract offer, so there is ZERO chance that we "lose" him this offseason; if he's not a Piston next year, it's because we traded him and were therefore compensated in return. The idea that Moose may walk after this year is just flat-out wrong. I get seeing it on the General and T&T boards, but c'mon, we're all supposed to be Pistons fans here and should know that him walking is NOT a realistic possibility! Argue all you want about whether we should trade him or not, but enough with this fallacy that we could lose him for nothing.

Actually we could lose Monroe for nothing this summer but that would still be better than giving him a max deal.

[spearsy23]

jeremy lamb has become soooo incredibly overrated. he has done NOTHING so far in the NBA, but he is this magical prospect that everyone is certain is going to breakout. saying that, sure, if youre getting a pick out of it aswell as lamb for stuckey then sure. not going to happen, but sure.

Wiggins and Parker haven't done anything in the NBA either, do they have value?


This thread is pretty much pointless because Amico is flat out wrong. Lamb has been everything we've hoped and is much cheaper than any alternative. Stuckey isn't even a significant upgrade (check the per/36 stats) and would make a poor 3 point shooting team worse, Monroe would be exceptional value but would walk next year because we couldn't afford the contract. There's no reason for OKC to give up a great young prospect who is locked in for three years and playing like the perfect sg of the future to pair with the rest of our core.

[sc8581]

jeremy lamb has become soooo incredibly overrated. he has done NOTHING so far in the NBA, but he is this magical prospect that everyone is certain is going to breakout. saying that, sure, if youre getting a pick out of it aswell as lamb for stuckey then sure. not going to happen, but sure.

Wiggins and Parker haven't done anything in the NBA either, do they have value?


This thread is pretty much pointless because Amico is flat out wrong. Lamb has been everything we've hoped and is much cheaper than any alternative. Stuckey isn't even a significant upgrade (check the per/36 stats) and would make a poor 3 point shooting team worse, Monroe would be exceptional value but would walk next year because we couldn't afford the contract. There's no reason for OKC to give up a great young prospect who is locked in for three years and playing like the perfect sg of the future to pair with the rest of our core.

Checked them, he's a significant upgrade

[spearsy23]

jeremy lamb has become soooo incredibly overrated. he has done NOTHING so far in the NBA, but he is this magical prospect that everyone is certain is going to breakout. saying that, sure, if youre getting a pick out of it aswell as lamb for stuckey then sure. not going to happen, but sure.

Wiggins and Parker haven't done anything in the NBA either, do they have value?


This thread is pretty much pointless because Amico is flat out wrong. Lamb has been everything we've hoped and is much cheaper than any alternative. Stuckey isn't even a significant upgrade (check the per/36 stats) and would make a poor 3 point shooting team worse, Monroe would be exceptional value but would walk next year because we couldn't afford the contract. There's no reason for OKC to give up a great young prospect who is locked in for three years and playing like the perfect sg of the future to pair with the rest of our core.

Checked them, he's a significant upgrade

4 points and an assist on basically the same efficiency but a little worse defense and rebounding, plus worse 3 point shooting, which is a real weakness for us this year, and a lot more turnovers. Stuckey is an upgrade, but not worth a few million dollars more to us. (Plus the loss in potential and assets you guys want). Especially when he'd still be splitting time with Jackson. Not to mention, it requires banking on Stuckey continuing to play at the highest level he's played in his career. I don't think Stuckey sucks or anything, but there's no incentive for us to trade for him.

[DetroitDon15]

I wouldn't mind the deal. Lamb has a great shooting stroke, and plenty of potential. Problem is- Stuckey is the better player right now. And, we're all aware that Dumars has zero concern for the future of this team. His sole concern is making this team the best it can be THIS season, as he currently doesn't have a contract extending past this summer.

I think Stuckey is a goner anyways. I think someone will give Stuckey over the MLE in the offseason. I'd be happy to get a piece or two to help us out down the road. I think adding Perkins who can play a little will add depth when we lose Monroe this offseason.

Two things —

1) Saying Perkins can "play a little" is kinda being generous to him at this point.

2) Sorry to sound like a broken record, but Monroe is a restricted free agent and the Pistons can match a max contract offer, so there is ZERO chance that we "lose" him this offseason; if he's not a Piston next year, it's because we traded him and were therefore compensated in return. The idea that Moose may walk after this year is just flat-out wrong. I get seeing it on the General and T&T boards, but c'mon, we're all supposed to be Pistons fans here and should know that him walking is NOT a realistic possibility! Argue all you want about whether we should trade him or not, but enough with this fallacy that we could lose him for nothing.

I think it is smart to get something. I disagree with the idea of "enough of the lose him for nothing". The Pistons have few valuable assets right now. This team needs a lot of pieces. I think three point shooting and defense on the wings are the two main things. I just don't feel the Pistons are in a situation with no pick next year to just let guys walk if we can get something in return. The fact that Detroit has to overpay scares me in every aspect of it.

[DocRI]

I think Stuckey is a goner anyways. I think someone will give Stuckey over the MLE in the offseason. I'd be happy to get a piece or two to help us out down the road. I think adding Perkins who can play a little will add depth when we lose Monroe this offseason.

Two things —

1) Saying Perkins can "play a little" is kinda being generous to him at this point.

2) Sorry to sound like a broken record, but Monroe is a restricted free agent and the Pistons can match a max contract offer, so there is ZERO chance that we "lose" him this offseason; if he's not a Piston next year, it's because we traded him and were therefore compensated in return. The idea that Moose may walk after this year is just flat-out wrong. I get seeing it on the General and T&T boards, but c'mon, we're all supposed to be Pistons fans here and should know that him walking is NOT a realistic possibility! Argue all you want about whether we should trade him or not, but enough with this fallacy that we could lose him for nothing.

I think it is smart to get something. I disagree with the idea of "enough of the lose him for nothing". The Pistons have few valuable assets right now. This team needs a lot of pieces. I think three point shooting and defense on the wings are the two main things. I just don't feel the Pistons are in a situation with no pick next year to just let guys walk if we can get something in return. The fact that Detroit has to overpay scares me in every aspect of it.

^ Exactly!

No, seriously, I 100% agree with the parts of your post which I highlighted, which is why I'm certain that we're either going to trade him or we're going to resign him. Again, everyone can argue whether or not we should trade Monroe and what type of return we should get for him (and I'm sure they will!), but it's ludicrous to think that we'll let a 23-year-old big man with his skill walk away for nothing when we've got the cap space to match any offer. Seriously, who are the Pistons gonna spend that money on if they just let Monroe walk (and please do NOT say Melo!)? As you wrote, the Pistons have "few valuable assets" right now, so why on earth let one leave without any compensation whatsoever when the team has all the leverage in the situation?

Answer: we won't. The fallacy isn't that Monroe could leave; it's that we could lose Monroe without getting anything in return.

[dan2314]

jeremy lamb has become soooo incredibly overrated. he has done NOTHING so far in the NBA, but he is this magical prospect that everyone is certain is going to breakout. saying that, sure, if youre getting a pick out of it aswell as lamb for stuckey then sure. not going to happen, but sure.

Wiggins and Parker haven't done anything in the NBA either, do they have value?

lamb has been in the league for 1 and a bit seasons.. thats the difference. i just dont see him being as good as his apparent league wide trade value seems to assume.

[DetroitDon15]

Two things —

1) Saying Perkins can "play a little" is kinda being generous to him at this point.

2) Sorry to sound like a broken record, but Monroe is a restricted free agent and the Pistons can match a max contract offer, so there is ZERO chance that we "lose" him this offseason; if he's not a Piston next year, it's because we traded him and were therefore compensated in return. The idea that Moose may walk after this year is just flat-out wrong. I get seeing it on the General and T&T boards, but c'mon, we're all supposed to be Pistons fans here and should know that him walking is NOT a realistic possibility! Argue all you want about whether we should trade him or not, but enough with this fallacy that we could lose him for nothing.

I think it is smart to get something. I disagree with the idea of "enough of the lose him for nothing". The Pistons have few valuable assets right now. This team needs a lot of pieces. I think three point shooting and defense on the wings are the two main things. I just don't feel the Pistons are in a situation with no pick next year to just let guys walk if we can get something in return. The fact that Detroit has to overpay scares me in every aspect of it.

^ Exactly!

No, seriously, I 100% agree with the parts of your post which I highlighted, which is why I'm certain that we're either going to trade him or we're going to resign him. Again, everyone can argue whether or not we should trade Monroe and what type of return we should get for him (and I'm sure they will!), but it's ludicrous to think that we'll let a 23-year-old big man with his skill walk away for nothing when we've got the cap space to match any offer. Seriously, who are the Pistons gonna spend that money on if they just let Monroe walk (and please do NOT say Melo!)? As you wrote, the Pistons have "few valuable assets" right now, so why on earth let one leave without any compensation whatsoever when the team has all the leverage in the situation?

Answer: we won't. The fallacy isn't that Monroe could leave; it's that we could lose Monroe without getting anything in return.

I think I left something out. If a team offers Monroe the max, would Joe D simply match? I just don't see management allowing him to do that. I think a team will offer him that amount of money. This "walking away for nothing" comes from that idea. I basically think restricted means unrestricted with Monroe at this point.