Ersan Trade Ideas - Think hard guys (and Sanders)

[whatthe_buck!?]

If u can convice me the Nuggets FO could develop any kind of motivation to trade that pick without protection for anybody besides a legitimate superstar I would care a lot more about considering different Bucks-Nuggets trade scenarios...

New front office always wants to make a splash to prove that they know what they're doing. I think they look at their core and don't want to wait 3 years for a rookie to develop. Also, GM's like to deal with what they know - there is a lot of uncertainty with the Knicks pick and I think Sanders is a pretty proven commodity that would be a great fit for them.

Alright look I'm down then. I'll make no secret of the fact that I've always tacitly hoped for a GAD-Nowak joint Bucks GM reign one day. I could throw a select handful of other posters in there as well. Anyway if u think its a possibility that Sanders is the 'splash' that a new FO would be happy with in return for an uncertain (but undoubtedly high-potential) Knicks 2014 1st then I'll go with it. You don't think they could do a lot better with that pick assuming they would be open to trading it?

[Wooderson]

I keep coming back to Charlotte. They're obviously trying to "win now". They've got multiple picks and young prospects. I'll even take future 1sts or swaps in order to make it happen.

Ilyasova/Mayo for Gordon/?????

Charlotte owns Detroits pick (top 8 protected), and that would be a great get. With the East being so crappy, it might end up in the high teens, but the Pistons could feasibly collapse in the 2nd half (especially given Jennings historically weak 2nd half play) and then you end up with a top 10-12 pick. Bobcats probably don't swing that deal though.

[cinematographer]

I keep coming back to Charlotte. They're obviously trying to "win now". They've got multiple picks and young prospects. I'll even take future 1sts or swaps in order to make it happen.

Ilyasova/Mayo for Gordon/?????

Charlotte's first round pick is owed to Chicago, with top-10 protection. It's 1-8 next year, and unprotected after that. The firsts they are owed this year are from Portland -- 1-12, 1-12, unprotected -- and Detroit -- 1-8, 1, unprotected.

Right now, those incoming picks are 18th and 29th. If Charlotte finishes in the top-10, they could trade their pick, provided at least one of the Portland/Detroit picks came their way. If you wanted to trade NOW for it, there'd be no guarantee of getting the pick, as the trade agreement would have contingencies (if so on and so forth, else) with the real risk of not being able to get the pick until 2018.

So, two late-firsts would be the target, with Detroit not far away from the back-end of the lottery. Nothing to sneeze at, certainly.

[Chuck Diesel]

Ersan, Epke and Ridnour to Charlotte for Bismack Biyombo and Ben Gordon's expiring contract.

Ersan to Minnesota for Alexy Shved and Dante Cunningham.

[HurricaneKid]

You guys are out of your minds if you think we can get an unprotected #1 from the team with the 3rd worst record in the league a qtr of the season in for any package surrounding ... Sanders

You guys are out of your minds. I'm not here to defend Hammond BY ANY MEANS. But conventional wisdom seems to be that we can get a mid #1 for Ers and a high #1 for Sanders. I'm not sure either holds a positive value around the league at all right now.

Sanders got cited for animal cruelty, was in a ridiculous bar brawl two days before his wife had his child. The video of the event is widely available and incredibly damning. All this is AFTER he was an abject failure on the court since signing his big contract. His WS/48 is a hilarious -.132. He is set to make about 40M over the next 3.74 years.

And you think a team is going to trade an elite pick in one of the best 3 drafts of the past 30+ years for THAT?!??

GTFO. All of you who think this is a viable trade just GTFO NOW. The irony is that none of you think Asik is worth anything and Asik's advanced stats are MILES better than Sanders, he counts significantly less against the cap, etc.

[Wooderson]

Charlotte's first round pick is owed to Chicago, with top-10 protection. It's 1-8 next year, and unprotected after that. The firsts they are owed this year are from Portland -- 1-12, 1-12, unprotected -- and Detroit -- 1-8, 1, unprotected.

Right now, those incoming picks are 18th and 29th. If Charlotte finishes in the top-10, they could trade their pick, provided at least one of the Portland/Detroit picks came their way. If you wanted to trade NOW for it, there'd be no guarantee of getting the pick, as the trade agreement would have contingencies (if so on and so forth, else) with the real risk of not being able to get the pick until 2018.

So, two late-firsts would be the target, with Detroit not far away from the back-end of the lottery. Nothing to sneeze at, certainly.

Forgot that Charlotte owes Chicago their own pick. Probably makes them much less likely to consider dishing out Detroit's. Although the strength of the draft lies in the lottery, and specifically the top, I have a feeling GM's will be less likely to even trade later picks as the season goes on because of the perception that this is an all-time great draft.

[Chuck Diesel]

Ersan to Atlanta for Elton Brand and Pero Antic.

[whatthe_buck!?]

Ersan, Epke and Ridnour to Charlotte for Bismack Biyombo and Ben Gordon's expiring contract.

Ersan to Minnesota for Alexy Shved and Dante Cunningham.

The first one I'm against as u must be much higher on Bismack than I am but the second I like and actually thought about posting something similar and I only didnt because I was concerned about how Ersan would fit into that frontcourt as anything more than a backup and I also didnt think that the Wolves had the depth in the backcourt to make a trade like that...

[whatthe_buck!?]

Charlotte's first round pick is owed to Chicago, with top-10 protection. It's 1-8 next year, and unprotected after that. The firsts they are owed this year are from Portland -- 1-12, 1-12, unprotected -- and Detroit -- 1-8, 1, unprotected.

Right now, those incoming picks are 18th and 29th. If Charlotte finishes in the top-10, they could trade their pick, provided at least one of the Portland/Detroit picks came their way. If you wanted to trade NOW for it, there'd be no guarantee of getting the pick, as the trade agreement would have contingencies (if so on and so forth, else) with the real risk of not being able to get the pick until 2018.

So, two late-firsts would be the target, with Detroit not far away from the back-end of the lottery. Nothing to sneeze at, certainly.

Forgot that Charlotte owes Chicago their own pick. Probably makes them much less likely to consider dishing out Detroit's. Although the strength of the draft lies in the lottery, and specifically the top, I have a feeling GM's will be less likely to even trade later picks as the season goes on because of the perception that this is an all-time great draft.

This is a great point and possibly a strong argument in favor of making a move earlier in the season as opposed to closer to the deadline and therefore further into the season and closer to the draft as it gives GMs more time to fall in love with players in their perceived draft range (as they have a tendency to do)...

[HurricaneKid]

Except Ers to Minnesota makes NO SENSE AT ALL as they already have a stretch 4, and one of the best PFs in the league in KLove who is better at every facet than illy.

[Chuck Diesel]

A 21 year old like Bismack on the second year of his rookie contract is a good guy to roll the dice on. He's not much of a downgrade from Udoh/Pachulia right now with lots of room to grow.

[HurricaneKid]

I would bet that not one single lottery pick will be traded from now until the draft.

[Ron Swanson]

MIL: Ersan + Udoh

for

OKC: Perry Jones III, Kendrick Perkins, 2014 lotto protected 1st


-We get a young prospect to groom in Jones, and a late 1st in a deep draft

-OKC gets to dump Perkins contract, acquire a young solid defensive big in Ekpe, and get a stretch 4 that moves Ibaka to C, and balances out the lineup quite nicely.

Westbrook
Thabo
Durant
Ersan
Ibaka

[Chuck Diesel]

Except Ers to Minnesota makes NO SENSE AT ALL as they already have a stretch 4, and one of the best PFs in the league in KLove who is better at every facet than illy.

I believe Minnesota needs to make the playoffs this year if they wanna hold any hope of keeping Kevin Love. Ersan is an upgrade to anything on their bench and allows Adelman to do a lot of different things. Also provides some injury insurance if/when Love & Pekovic go down. It's the type of trade a team makes who is desperate for an 8th seed.

[Wooderson]

Spoiler:

Forgot that Charlotte owes Chicago their own pick. Probably makes them much less likely to consider dishing out Detroit's. Although the strength of the draft lies in the lottery, and specifically the top, I have a feeling GM's will be less likely to even trade later picks as the season goes on because of the perception that this is an all-time great draft.

This is a great point and possibly a strong argument in favor of making a move earlier in the season as opposed to closer to the deadline and therefore further into the season and closer to the draft as it gives GMs more time to fall in love with players in their perceived draft range (as they have a tendency to do)...

Exactly, and injuries are also a factor as well. If Detroit sustains injury issues in January/Feb, then no way would Charlotte consider dealing that pick. Same goes for other teams as well. However, I think the best option for the Bucks might be to try and snag a 2015 pick. Not sure if 2014 ones will be available. For the most part I'd rather get future picks than actual players.

[TheWig]

I would bet that not one single lottery pick will be traded from now until the draft.

The bucks would be the only team stupid enough to do it

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

A 21 year old like Bismack on the second year of his rookie contract is a good guy to roll the dice on. He's not much of a downgrade from Udoh/Pachulia right now with lots of room to grow.

cho loves bismack. like love loves him. he would literally clap when he did something positive on the court. did it multiple times for bismack and didnt see him do it for anybody else on the floor like that. i think hes still their favorite project anyway.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

I would bet that not one single lottery pick will be traded from now until the draft.

The bucks would be the only team stupid enough to do it

yeah... lets move our pick. what team out there has some sanders/ mayo talent package that they might be willing to trade for our #1. lets think hard guys!

[whatthe_buck!?]

A 21 year old like Bismack on the second year of his rookie contract is a good guy to roll the dice on. He's not much of a downgrade from Udoh/Pachulia right now with lots of room to grow.

That's a very good rationale but I'd be wary of the possibility that the player whose minutes would be most likely to be sacrificed to give Bismack the playing time he needs to have a chance to really develop would be Henson. Do u think they could play effectively together?

[whatthe_buck!?]

I would bet that not one single lottery pick will be traded from now until the draft.

The bucks would be the only team stupid enough to do it

yeah... lets move our pick. what team out there has some sanders/ mayo talent package that they might be willing to trade for our #1. lets think hard guys!

If we were allowed to trade with the bucks of an identical alternate universe that exact trade would happen. Book it.