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Re: Ersan Trade Ideas - Think hard guys (and Sanders) 

Post#161 » by jr lucosa » Thu Dec 12, 2013 3:56 pm

The Rebel wrote:2008 was one of the worst eastern conferences the league has ever seen, you see the eastern conference teams all have to play each other 52 or so games a year, making almost impossible that the eastern conference is near as bad as the hype. Hell right now boston is already at 10 wins, so is your argument that Boston cannot win 27 games out of the next 58, but that the Knicks can win 50% of their games through the end of the year?


You are making these odds seem tougher than they are, they are 2.5 games behind with 61 to play.

I have to wonder have you even watched any Knicks games? You can bring up how good Melo is, but 1 player cannot do it alone, that is a roster full of bad streaky jumpshooters and injury prone bigs with limited skill sets. I have watched as many Carmelo Anthony games as anybody, and I can tell you he is not the guy to carry a roster like that, and in fact that is one reason you are hearing all about his stats and him wanting out. You ask who is better then the Knicks are in their division, it is an easy argument that all of those teams has been so far and all of them have the potential to get even better.


I'm not saying the roster is great by any means but in following a mediocre team for years you notice down the stretch of the regular season which teams really want losses more. You'll see teams trot out D-League lineups and make deliberate tank moves down the stretch of games. The Knicks have zero incentive to do this and have a really good player, a player who has never been on a losing team before in his NBA career in Melo and those two factors alone will likely keep this team out of the top (bottom) 5.

Let's go through the teams shall we? Boston, traded 2 overpaid well into their decline players for picks, they are missing by far their best player who is due back soon from a knee injury, yet you seem to think they will not win 2 more games then their pace indicates now? The Raptors just traded a very ineffecient chucker who has shown to be a net negative for his team, and got back 3 decent role players, yet they are going to get considerably worse (there are arguments that the deal made them better). The Nets have been missing their best player and 6th man since the start of the season, plus their starting SF, yet they are not going to get better if they get healthy? The one team I will give you is the 76ers, but the Knicks are already out losing them as well. The Knicks on the other hand still have Chandler out, but outside of him have been relatively healthy this season (considering Melo usually misses 15 game per year, Amare is playing this week, and Kmart is healthier then he has ever been), personally i do not get why so many are convinced that they turn the team around.


I don't have faith in any of those teams more than I do the Knicks. I'm not saying New York will definitely pull out of that division, but I don't see a single team that looks like a legitimate playoff team, which would really scare me trading arguably our best asset for that pick because I could pretty easily seeing every other team in that division winning 30 or so games. Brooklyn has no incentive to tank either but they look so old and slow and the guys who came from Boston have looked so terrible that I can't really count on them at this point.

Also why would you bring up Toronto? Did they change the rules that the top 2 finishers in a division must be in the playoffs? Last I checked it was the top 1, and the Knicks are 3 1/2 back of Boston, and 2 1/2 back of the 8th place Bulls.


I am familiar with how playoff seeding works. I only brought up Toronto to show another example of how bad that division is. There is not a single quality team in the bunch. That division is up for grabs and no ones out of it. The Knicks are not 3.5 back of Boston they are 2.5 back.
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Re: Ersan Trade Ideas - Think hard guys (and Sanders) 

Post#162 » by Nycballa2k » Thu Dec 12, 2013 5:06 pm

whatthe_buck!? wrote:
Nycballa2k wrote:I wanted Isiah Thomas but the board decided they preferred Marquis Teague or to keep Knight

now Thomas is playing great basketball and starting while Knight is an undersized SG and Teague can't find minutes on a team with literally one PG who expired about 3 years ago

What does Isiah Thomas do for this team in the short or long run though really? I get he's a nice player, but what does he really do for us?


gives us a dynamic solution at PG? A crafty, exciting playmaker who would fit in nicely with the core we're building?
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Re: Ersan Trade Ideas - Think hard guys (and Sanders) 

Post#163 » by Larry Hensen » Thu Dec 12, 2013 5:09 pm

Trade Gianni while his stock is high!
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Post#164 » by jakecronus8 » Thu Dec 12, 2013 5:31 pm

Larry Hensen wrote:Trade Gianni while his stock is high!


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Post#165 » by Thunder Muscle » Thu Dec 12, 2013 6:02 pm

Milwaukee Gets: Marcus Thornton, Jason Thompson, Glen Rice Jr., and Washington 2014 1st Rd Pick (Top 5 protected)
Washington Gets: Ersan, Udoh, Sacramento 2014 2nd Rd Pick
Sacramento Gets: Nene, Ridnour

It works. I don't know if I like it or not. I don't really want Thornton but would like getting a 1st rd pick/prospect (Rice), and Thompson replaces Ersan/Udoh depth. Washington is getting arguably the best player in the deal and a fairly young defensive big. Sacramento upgrades at PF and doesn't give up a ton.
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Post#166 » by Thunder Muscle » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:31 pm

I'm guessing Beal is untouchable, but I feel this is intriguing...

Milwaukee Gets: Beal, Rice Jr., E'Twaun Moore
Washington Gets: Ersan, Afflalo, Milwaukee 2015 1st Rd Pick (Top 5 protected)
Orlando Gets: Ridnour, Ariza (both expirings)

Orlando sheds a ton of salary and helps their tank efforts.
Washington picks up a 1st rd pick while going for a win now.
Milwaukee gets the most intriguing and arguably talented player in deal.

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Exum/Beal/Giannis/Henson/Sanders is the core.
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Re: Ersan Trade Ideas - Think hard guys (and Sanders) 

Post#167 » by jakecronus8 » Thu Dec 12, 2013 8:09 pm

Thunder Muscle wrote:Beal is untouchable
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Post#168 » by MrPerfect1 » Thu Dec 12, 2013 8:23 pm

Only Lebron and Durant are truly untouchable.

I agree with the people who think NYK is making the playoffs. There is going to be some Epic tanking this year. Just being a team trying to win will inflate their record. Additionally, they will mortgage Future picks even if required to ensure they make it
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Post#169 » by DanoMac » Thu Dec 12, 2013 8:33 pm

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Post#170 » by Thunder Muscle » Thu Dec 12, 2013 9:19 pm

jakecronus8 wrote:
Thunder Muscle wrote:Beal is untouchable


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Post#171 » by cinematographer » Thu Dec 12, 2013 9:22 pm

Ilyasova/Udoh/Wolters for Asik/Brewer
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Post#172 » by MiltownHawkeye » Thu Dec 12, 2013 9:23 pm

Nycballa2k wrote:
whatthe_buck!? wrote:
Nycballa2k wrote:I wanted Isiah Thomas but the board decided they preferred Marquis Teague or to keep Knight

now Thomas is playing great basketball and starting while Knight is an undersized SG and Teague can't find minutes on a team with literally one PG who expired about 3 years ago

What does Isiah Thomas do for this team in the short or long run though really? I get he's a nice player, but what does he really do for us?


gives us a dynamic solution at PG? A crafty, exciting playmaker who would fit in nicely with the core we're building?

Don't you think Isiah Thomas is a little too old to contribute to a winning team?
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Post#173 » by lakerhater » Fri Dec 13, 2013 2:58 am

MrPerfect1 wrote:Only Lebron and Durant are truly untouchable.


Call me crazy, and I've been called much worse, but as a GSW fan I'd say G Alphabet is about as untouchable as they come at this moment in time. The kid has incredible potential and the Bucks would be the crazy ones if they dealt him.
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Post#174 » by H2tObes » Fri Dec 13, 2013 3:01 am

lakerhater wrote:
MrPerfect1 wrote:Only Lebron and Durant are truly untouchable.


Call me crazy, and I've been called much worse, but as a GSW fan I'd say G Alphabet is about as untouchable as they come at this moment in time. The kid has incredible potential and the Bucks would be the crazy ones if they dealt him.

I think he was more or less saying that there's players that simply won't be traded, but Lebron and Durant are the two guys that you cant really make a package to get.

I wouldn't trade Giannis for much, but if someone blew us away with an offer I would consider. You can say that about almost every player though
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Post#175 » by MrPerfect1 » Fri Dec 13, 2013 3:23 am

lakerhater wrote:
MrPerfect1 wrote:Only Lebron and Durant are truly untouchable.


Call me crazy, and I've been called much worse, but as a GSW fan I'd say G Alphabet is about as untouchable as they come at this moment in time. The kid has incredible potential and the Bucks would be the crazy ones if they dealt him.


For the right offer, Giannis would be shipped out tonight. If a Durant, Lebron, George, etc were offered for him, every MIL fan here would be helping him pack his bags
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Post#176 » by bizarro » Fri Dec 13, 2013 3:27 am

jakecronus8 wrote:
Thunder Muscle wrote:Beal is untouchable


I really don't get the Beal love. He's a relatively inefficient scorer; streaky shooter; and he doesn't do all that much else on the basketball court. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt because he's young. I made a point to watch him often this year and I came away more impressed with Webster and Ariza ( :o ) and grew tired of Beal's incessant ability to brick wide open jumpers. He had a few games where he shot the rock well but I expected quite a bit more, frankly.
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Post#177 » by CanadaBucks » Fri Dec 13, 2013 3:39 am

bizarro wrote:
jakecronus8 wrote:
Thunder Muscle wrote:Beal is untouchable


I really don't get the Beal love. He's a relatively inefficient scorer; streaky shooter; and he doesn't do all that much else on the basketball court. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt because he's young. I made a point to watch him often this year and I came away more impressed with Webster and Ariza ( :o ) and grew tired of Beal's incessant ability to brick wide open jumpers. He had a few games where he shot the rock well but I expected quite a bit more, frankly.


I agree...he is young but a .507 TS% when you're shooting 44% on 3s? I guess that's what shooting 11.4 2s a game will do. He's taken twice as many long 2s as he has within 8 feet. Only other stat that jumps out at me is 25.7% USG.
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Post#178 » by bizarro » Fri Dec 13, 2013 3:56 am

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bizarro wrote:
jakecronus8 wrote:


I really don't get the Beal love. He's a relatively inefficient scorer; streaky shooter; and he doesn't do all that much else on the basketball court. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt because he's young. I made a point to watch him often this year and I came away more impressed with Webster and Ariza ( :o ) and grew tired of Beal's incessant ability to brick wide open jumpers. He had a few games where he shot the rock well but I expected quite a bit more, frankly.


I agree...he is young but a .507 TS% when you're shooting 44% on 3s? I guess that's what shooting 11.4 2s a game will do. He's taken twice as many long 2s as he has within 8 feet. Only other stat that jumps out at me is 25.7% USG.


I would also add the following addendum re: Beal: It is possible his leg injury was gravely affecting his shot and his overall play. It is possible he was playing through a persistent and nagging leg injury that impacted his lift and consequently every part of his game. I hope that's the case because he was downright unimpressive.
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Post#179 » by worthlessBucks » Fri Dec 13, 2013 8:15 am

Cavs in the mix for Asik. Sure would be nice to dump Ersan and somehow get our hands on that Kings pick they own.
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Post#180 » by jr lucosa » Fri Dec 13, 2013 8:20 am

MiltownHawkeye wrote:Don't you think Isiah Thomas is a little too old to contribute to a winning team?


Pretty sure they were talking about Isaiah Thomas, not Isiah Thomas. :)

We'll see if the Kings make more moves this year, but with the salary they have now they might have a hard time matching his offer sheet this off-season. If we like him I'd wait until then to go after him rather than give up assets in a trade.

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