Raps trying to trade us Lowry...

[Greenie]

who can we get though ? he's about as good as it gets. and yes, he's basically felton when felton plays well. which aint happening this year much.

frank got this one right

Frank Isola ‏@FisolaNYDN 2m

The question is, do the Knicks believe Raymond Felton can get healthy and fit and play like he did last season. He's fallen off this year.

Don't worry about getting anyone right now. Let our bench play and see what happens. Don't just trade to say "look I made a trade". That's why we have no assets right now as it is.

they're trying to make sure they make the playoffs. they have to look good enough for carmelo to stay.

All they will accomplish is compounding the issue. Learn and move on. There is no rush to trade anything. Tell Woody to play the bench, if he won't comply(he will) fire him on the spot. Make your deals at the deadline.

[[GR]]

Quick Questions for Knick Fans:

If word got out that Dolan turned down the Lowry trade because they wanted Shump how would you feel?

Also what if we trade Felton and THJR for Lowry instead of Shump?

Just trying to see people's general opinion

1. Disappointment. Shump isn't that good.

2. Rage.

[JBreezeNY]

lol @ the people who want to trade shumpert for lowry.

lol @ the people who think Shumpert is better than Lowry.

It's not about Shump being better than Lowry.

Once you trade Shump he's the last assest we have unless you want to get rid of Hardaway and trust me this fanbase will be done with this team if we trade Hardaway.

I'd rather use Shump in a trade that gets us a player who significantly upgrades us rather than a player who slightly upgrades us.

[Fat]

lol @ the people who want to trade shumpert for lowry.

lol @ the people who think Shumpert is better than Lowry.

Any body else find this comment amusing coming from a guy named shumpshump

lol i was just about to quote that

[Mr_Perfect]

This team needs a trade so I'm all for Lowry. Shumpert keeps declining so if he needs to be included, so be it. Kid sucks. He really does! Landry Fields 2.0. Shumpert will never average 10 ppg in his career and he hasn't played D since his rookie season. And he's mentally WEAK with fake hustle.

This is a terrible post.

Shumpert is struggling because Woodson is awful. You weren't saying this about Shumpert when he was thriving under D'Antoni.

[J0rdan4life42o]

I see a lot of people here in support of this trade, whether it's giving up Shump, potentially adding salary via Fields or even sending Toronto a lotto protected pick. Fellow Knicks fans, I don't mean to be rude but this mother#^@%ing team is 6-15!!

6-15!!!!!!!!!!

This is the same team that lost by 41 points to a KGless, Pierceless, Allenless, Rondoless Boston Celtics team. The same team that got blown out by the Cavs the next game. The same team that nearly blew a 25 point lead to a Roseless, Dengless, Butlerless, injured Noah Bulls team.

The underlying problem this team has is far greater than upgrading from an incompetent point guard, to a marginal starting NBA point guard. The constant isolation sets, the constant switching on defense, the laziness and complete disregard for boxing out and rebounding won't be solved by this swap, but it will continue to slowly kill whatever future flexibility this Knicks team has the next 3-4 years.

I would understand if this team was hovering around .500 without Chandler, beating the teams tanking this year, while putting up good effort games against playoff caliber teams. That hasn't been the case. This team has stunk for the most part. You just can't keep hemorrhaging picks and young assets to marginally improve your team, especially when your team sucks. The Knicks suck right now. It's something that needs to be improved internally first, then you can start looking at strategies to improve the personnel.

The pounding of the ball while waiting to set up an isolation play for Melo, Amare or JR with 10 seconds left on the shot clock won't stop. The switching won't stop, guys won't suddenly start boxing out and aggressively attacking the glass. Haven't you all had enough of the band aid type moves this organization has been addicted to making the last decade? I sure have.

[Fury]

I want Lowry, but I wouldn't trade Shumpert for him. I'd trade Shumpert for someone like Dragic.

[emo]

"durr durr shump can't shoot tho"

last time lowry shot over 42% was 6 years ago. but hey, it's a shiny new toy.

I thought you liked using TS%.

Interesting ain't it?

[waya]

Shumpert's no doubt regressed, and THJ already looks like he's gonna be the better player but it seems dumb giving up young talent for an expiring.

Unless there was a way to do the deal without giving Shumpert, Hardaway or 1st rounders (which there isn't) I wouldnt do it. Oh well.

[K_ick_God]

Maybe their new GM wants to clean house and going all in for Wiggins/etc.

NY Trades: Amare, Shump, Hardaway, Felton
NY Receives: Derozan, Lowry, Johnson, Fields

That puts us out of 2015 unless we deal Derozan before then (which shouldn't bee too difficult). Might be worth a try to see how 'Melo can do with Chandler and the rest of the ex Raptors.... but we'd need a new coach like Thibs of JVG next season.

This guy is smart.

[Brooklyn_Yards]

Trades rarely happen as they're first reported. There will be additional players included because we have no draft picks left to trade. Hardaway is better than Ross so Ujiri and Dolan will have no problem agreeing on that if it means Dolan gets to tour with some 80's band again.

We have 2018, 2020, 2022 picks Ujiri has had no problems taking future picks from us. I don't see us trading both Shump and THJ moreso THJ especially since guys who are normally in good with Dolan stick around.

[god shammgod]

Frank Isola ‏@FisolaNYDN 1m

A deal for Kyle Lowry would likely include Raymond Felton and Iman Shumpert or Tim Hardaway.

[Knicks_Fan2]

"durr durr shump can't shoot tho"

last time lowry shot over 42% was 6 years ago. but hey, it's a shiny new toy.

Why don't you look at TS%? The overwhelming proportion of his shots are three pointers, which is a good thing.

Hey, check out this list of guards/forwards shooting over 56% TS. Where is Felton???

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... tats::none

[Rasho Brezec]

they might keep felton and just send shump, beno, garbage.

felton is not a plus for toronto because the contract is longer.

You need to gather up 4,880,000 worth of salaries to get just Lowry back. Unless Felton is included, that means at least 3 other players have to be.

[Jay10]

@the amount of picks the knicks have given up to make carmelo happy.

[mpharris36]

they might keep felton and just send shump, beno, garbage.

felton is not a plus for toronto because the contract is longer.

yeah but lowry is a rental, if we are giving up shump it has to come at some cost to the raps...have to take back someone just like the bargs deal

they took back worse contracts to get a valuable piece...lowry is a rental they should have to take back felton's contract.

[Fat]

As long THJR and JR are still here im good with whatever

[I_Love_NYK]

Toronto would want a expiring in return.

[asham27]

Knowing Dolan, he'll probably just include an unprotected 1st rounder to seal the deal.

[SuperflyKnick]

The knicks wud be better sending back a 2018 protected Pk with felton, then use shump for another need later on