Raps trying to trade us Lowry...

Moose · Post #461 » by **Moose** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:48 pm

I don't feel like trading anymore assets. This team isn't close to a title. Any sensible organization would just want a chance to start over.

I would deal Felton and trash (to add up the salaries) for Lowry, since we actually save money long-term. But no reason to deal THJ, Shump, or picks.

johnnywishbone · Post #462 » by **johnnywishbone** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:48 pm

god shammgod wrote:i think i predicted this

We should trade them Novak + our 2016 first round pick.

JBreezeNY · Post #463 » by **JBreezeNY** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:48 pm

Fury wrote:I want Lowry, but I wouldn't trade Shumpert for him. I'd trade Shumpert for someone like Dragic.

EXACTLY.

Fat · Post #464 » by **Fat** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:49 pm

god shammgod wrote:Frank Isola ‏@FisolaNYDN 1m

A deal for Kyle Lowry would likely include Raymond Felton and Iman Shumpert or Tim Hardaway.

THJR untouchable take shump

Post #465 » by **mpharris36** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:49 pm

god shammgod wrote:Frank Isola ‏@FisolaNYDN 1m

A deal for Kyle Lowry would likely include Raymond Felton and Iman Shumpert or Tim Hardaway.

i mean come on frank, you aren't breaking any news you are just connecting a few dots.

the knicks have about 2 or 3 ways to get lowry he just posted 2 of them lol

Fury · Post #466 » by **Fury** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:49 pm

asham27 wrote:Knowing Dolan, he'll probably just include an unprotected 1st rounder to seal the deal.

If we add a 2nd rounder + cash, I know Isiah is still here.

damedash09 · Post #467 » by **damedash09** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:49 pm

god shammgod wrote:Frank Isola ‏@FisolaNYDN 1m

A deal for Kyle Lowry would likely include Raymond Felton and Iman Shumpert or Tim Hardaway.

it will be both, Knicks will get fleeced

god shammgod · Post #468 » by **god shammgod** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:49 pm

Rasho Brezec wrote:
god shammgod wrote:they might keep felton and just send shump, beno, garbage.

felton is not a plus for toronto because the contract is longer.

You need to gather up 4,880,000 worth of salaries to get just Lowry back. Unless Felton is included, that means at least 3 other players have to be.

i didn't do the math but we do have 3 d-leaguers

blueNorange · Post #469 » by **blueNorange** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:49 pm

ShumpShump wrote:
blueNorange wrote:"durr durr shump can't shoot tho"

last time lowry shot over 42% was 6 years ago. but hey, it's a shiny new toy.

Lowry averages almost the exact same amount of rebounds per game over his career as Shump. Lowry averages more assists. Lowry shoots better than Shump. Lowry has been the better NBA player this year, the year before that and the year before that. You have no case.

i have no case, but you have no clue.

you're hating on a man who's team is against him, and you want him gone for a guy who's only good in the fantasy sports world? :lol:

and he'll want a pretty big contract too? :lol:

but hey lowry is going to do a much better job than felton when it comes to dumping the ball to melo and then watching him go iso.

Moose · Post #470 » by **Moose** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:49 pm

Nyk_Fatboy wrote:As long THJR, Shump, and picks are still here im good with whatever

Fixed.

MaseInYourFace · Post #471 » by **MaseInYourFace** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:49 pm

GoodAzzGame_NYK wrote:
god shammgod wrote:they might keep felton and just send shump, beno, garbage.

felton is not a plus for toronto because the contract is longer.

yeah but lowry is a rental, if we are giving up shump it has to come at some cost to the raps...have to take back someone just like the bargs deal

they took back worse contracts to get a valuable piece...lowry is a rental they should have to take back felton's contract.

You trust our GM huh?

brownbobcat · Post #472 » by **brownbobcat** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:50 pm

blueNorange wrote:"durr durr shump can't shoot tho"

last time lowry shot over 42% was 6 years ago. but hey, it's a shiny new toy.

A. That's not true, Lowry shot over 42% 3 years ago.
B. Half of Lowry's shots are 3s, and his TS% is actually decent

Lowry's last 4 years TS%:
.550
.558
.543
.563

Shumpert's last 3 years TS%:
.484
.516
.507

god shammgod · Post #473 » by **god shammgod** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:50 pm

johnnywishbone wrote:
god shammgod wrote:i think i predicted this

We should trade them Novak + our 2016 first round pick.

you missed it, they were after andre miller before this

JustaKnickFan · Post #474 » by **JustaKnickFan** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:50 pm

There are so many things that are bad about trading Shumpert for Lowry
Pros:
-Marginal PG upgrade (upgrade at the things the Knicks are already good at like 3pt shooting and PG scoring)
Cons:
-Lose valuable trade asset
-trading a player when his value is at his lowest
-Lowry is an expiring contract, he probably isn't staying
-Lowry isn't the difference between playoffs, not worth trading for

I can go on and on, but it's stupid trades like the one being proposed that can kill a franchise.

Mr_Perfect · Post #475 » by **Mr_Perfect** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:50 pm

Knicks_Fan2 wrote:
blueNorange wrote:"durr durr shump can't shoot tho"

last time lowry shot over 42% was 6 years ago. but hey, it's a shiny new toy.

Why don't you look at TS%? The overwhelming proportion of his shots are three pointers, which is a good thing.

Why don't we look at the actual stats and not some fantasy stat like TS%? JR Smith shoots over 50% of his career in TS%, including 52% this season.

Kyle Lowry isn't good but I'm never surprised when I see fans endorsing awful moves because they've done it before for Eddy Curry, Zach Randolph, Steve Francis, Jerome James, JR Smith, etc. This fanbase either never learns from the past or simply enjoys the abuse.

Post #476 » by **Brooklyn_Yards** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:50 pm

JBreezeNY wrote:
Fury wrote:I want Lowry, but I wouldn't trade Shumpert for him. I'd trade Shumpert for someone like Dragic.

EXACTLY.

That ship has sailed with Shump playing like garbage and Dragic playing out of his mind.

SaveUsKP6 · Post #477 » by **SaveUsKP6** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:50 pm

Mr_Perfect wrote:
BeagleBoss wrote:This team needs a trade so I'm all for Lowry. Shumpert keeps declining so if he needs to be included, so be it. Kid sucks. He really does! Landry Fields 2.0. Shumpert will never average 10 ppg in his career and he hasn't played D since his rookie season. And he's mentally WEAK with fake hustle.

This is a terrible post.

Shumpert is struggling because Woodson is awful. You weren't saying this about Shumpert when he was thriving under D'Antoni.

Wow... THIS is a terrible post. When did Shumpert thrive under D'Antoni? Sans a 5 game stretch where he was scoring well, he never thrived. Do two things: look up the definition of the word "thrive" then go look at what Shumpert did under D'Antoni. You will notice they aren't similar.

And how about Shumpert, you know, actually getting better on his own? Why is it that Tim Hardaway Jr. can "thrive" under Woodson as a rookie? Doesn't Woodson hate rookies? Maybe Shumpert just isn't all that skilled or smart. He's a hustle guy that has an inflated ego.

blueNorange · Post #478 » by **blueNorange** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:50 pm

Nyk_Fatboy wrote:
god shammgod wrote:Frank Isola ‏@FisolaNYDN 1m

A deal for Kyle Lowry would likely include Raymond Felton and Iman Shumpert or Tim Hardaway.

THJR untouchable take shump

timmy jr is untouchable, until he doesn't become this 30ppg scorer and everyone will want him gone.

JBreezeNY · Post #479 » by **JBreezeNY** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:50 pm

god shammgod wrote:Frank Isola ‏@FisolaNYDN 1m

A deal for Kyle Lowry would likely include Raymond Felton and Iman Shumpert or Tim Hardaway.

Walk away and go back to the Andre Miller discussions then.

Fu*k I really want Dragic here :cry:

Greenie · Post #480 » by **Greenie** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:50 pm

god shammgod wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:Kind changing my mind. In preparation for 2015, keep all assets. Who cares what pick we give Denver -- totally meaningless.

Sign Lowry in the offseason if you must. But he would only help our record next year which is bad (tank that year).

This should be about 2015 and amassing assets. Giving Denver a pick means absolutely nothing at this stage of the game. If anything, Denver will occupy a lottery spot that otherwise would go to an Eastern Conf team.

A man has a right to change his mind. Forget about it. Let Ray come back and see what he can do.

ray is out for the rest of the month though

the knicks are focused on 2 things, making the playoffs and keeping carmelo. it's not a coincidence this happened right after the ray injury.

I don't care if Ray is out for the rest of the year...