Raps trying to trade us Lowry...

[Mr_Perfect]

Why don't you look at TS%? The overwhelming proportion of his shots are three pointers, which is a good thing.

Why don't we look at the actual stats and not some fantasy stat like TS%? JR Smith shoots over 50% of his career in TS%, including 52% this season.

Kyle Lowry isn't good but I'm never surprised when I see fans endorsing awful moves because they've done it before for Eddy Curry, Zach Randolph, Steve Francis, Jerome James, JR Smith, etc. This fanbase either never learns from the past or simply enjoys the abuse.

Look, Curtis Axel, TS% is far from a fantasy stat, it's actually a reflection of real shooting percentage, using free throws, 2 pointers, and threes, and accounting for the volume and accuracy that said player all shot them at.

Okay. So by this legit stat JR Smith is a really efficient player. Is that right?

[Slackstring701]

Dude, come on. George Hill isn't even a PG. He was a SG in college. He doesn't pass well for a PG, and could barely handle, and he doesn't rebound like Lowry. He might be a slightly better defender, and a better shooter, but this year his shooting has sucked. GTFO with the stop it. George Hill is overrated as s hit playing with 3 All Stars.

George Hill is an anomaly to me. Dude can have a great game one night and the next night he'll barely get his game off the ground. That said, the Pacers are perfect for him because he's a good defender, pretty good shooter and doesn't have to playmake with Lance and Paul George handling that side as much or more than he is.

Very well put mate

[damedash09]

We need Lowry. He can penetrate and get to the rim and foul line. Don't mind giving up a pick. We can't survive 3 weeks without Felton. I like Priggs but I don't think he can play that many minutes. We all saw what happened when the Bulls pressured us last night. Its crucial to get this done.

lol really, felton is one of the worst starters in the nba,. felton is garbage. We can survive with Toure murry and prigs

[ibraheim718]

Lowry is better. I don't think of George Hill as a PG really. And he's not even shooting better than Lowry this year. Lowry is just a better all around player.

Stop it.

Dude, come on. George Hill isn't even a PG. He was a SG in college. He doesn't pass well for a PG, and could barely handle, and he doesn't rebound like Lowry. He might be a slightly better defender, and a better shooter, but this year his shooting has sucked. GTFO with the stop it. George Hill is overrated as s hit playing with 3 All Stars.

Bro.. one guy is manning the ship for a 19 win team and the other is sinking the ship of a 7 win team.

Hill at least knows how to get his team in position to win games... Lowry doesn't.

Again.. Stop it please.. If Hill was on Toronto he'd be outperforming Lowry in every major statistical category but he's not.. he's on a team with title aspirations you think Lowry can get to where he's at?

[Fury]

Dude, come on. George Hill isn't even a PG. He was a SG in college. He doesn't pass well for a PG, and could barely handle, and he doesn't rebound like Lowry. He might be a slightly better defender, and a better shooter, but this year his shooting has sucked. GTFO with the stop it. George Hill is overrated as s hit playing with 3 All Stars.

George Hill is an anomaly to me. Dude can have a great game one night and the next night he'll barely get his game off the ground. That said, the Pacers are perfect for him because he's a good defender, pretty good shooter and doesn't have to playmake with Lance and Paul George handling that side as much or more than he is.

That's exactly what he is. He's not a PG. Kyle Lowry isn't a GREAT PG, but he's a starting PG in this league, and fills up a stat sheet.

[supra2k8]

Zero market with sufficient assets. What is BK giving? Tyshaun Taylor? Warriors? Certainly not any of their good young assets so you're left with the Marrese Speights of the world.

Could be a 3 way trade, might even include Barnes. Could be BK's future picks + Plumlee+fillers who knows.

Harrison Barnes??? for a backup point guard (for them)? Cmon man. BK has no future picks to trade.

Not straight up for Lowery of coarse, that's why I said 3 way trade.

From GSW Board:

If a deal was to happen

I could see a Barnes and Speights for Amir and Novak and then a TPE for Lowry.

Curry/Lowry/Douglas
Klay/Dre/Lowry
Dre/Green/Novak
Lee/Green/Amir
Bogut/Amir/Festus

[Knicks_Fan2]

Why don't we look at the actual stats and not some fantasy stat like TS%? JR Smith shoots over 50% of his career in TS%, including 52% this season.

Kyle Lowry isn't good but I'm never surprised when I see fans endorsing awful moves because they've done it before for Eddy Curry, Zach Randolph, Steve Francis, Jerome James, JR Smith, etc. This fanbase either never learns from the past or simply enjoys the abuse.

Look, Curtis Axel, TS% is far from a fantasy stat, it's actually a reflection of real shooting percentage, using free throws, 2 pointers, and threes, and accounting for the volume and accuracy that said player all shot them at.

Okay. So by this legit stat JR Smith is a really efficient player. Is that right?

So do you think a player that shoots 42% on all three pointers is the same as a player that shoots 42% on all two pointers?

[Fury]

Stop it.

Dude, come on. George Hill isn't even a PG. He was a SG in college. He doesn't pass well for a PG, and could barely handle, and he doesn't rebound like Lowry. He might be a slightly better defender, and a better shooter, but this year his shooting has sucked. GTFO with the stop it. George Hill is overrated as s hit playing with 3 All Stars.

Bro.. one guy is manning the ship for a 19 win team and the other is sinking the ship of a 7 win team.

Hill at least knows how to get his team in position to win games... Lowry doesn't.

Again.. Stop it please.. If Hill was on Toronto he'd be outperforming Lowry in every major statistical category but he's not.. he's on a team with title aspirations you think Lowry can get to where he's at?

LOL Put George Hill on the Raptors and see him man the ship to 19 wins. What George Hill has over Kyle Lowry is better shooting and better teammates.

[ibraheim718]

Does anyone really think if you replace George Hill with Kyle Lowry they're a better team and not a worse one? I mean seriously.

[K_ick_God]

Save all these assets and go for Rondo next year or just sign him in 2015 and use the assets on another piece.

Preserve assets.

[god shammgod]

Save all these assets and go for Rondo next year or just sign him in 2015 and use the assets on another piece.

Collect assets.

unless rondo comes as a free agent we're not getting him. there's no trade for him.

[Fury]

Does anyone really think if you replace George Hill with Kyle Lowry they're a better team and not a worse one? I mean seriously.

George Hill can't pass and can't rebound. He could barely create for himself.

[bkknicks19]

We cant be so desperate that we overrate lowry enough to trade ray and shump. Knicks dont wanna start jr smith and you can't put thjr next to lowry since lowry isnt a playmaker...bad trade if shump or thjr involved for just lowry..he aint all that

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so why do we need him?

Thats my point, we don't need him. I'm not quite sure why so many ppl on this board wanna trade for lowry, it doesn't really improve the team enough. He's ray felton with a bit more aggression. I've said it plenty of times but this team lacks playmakers and desperately needs that. This team plays its best all around game when the offense is running smoothly and for that you need a PG who can create plays, thats why we look so much better when priggs is playing. If you can't get another all-star or fringe all-star caliber player, you ride this team out and figure everything out in the offseason..

[ibraheim718]

Dude, come on. George Hill isn't even a PG. He was a SG in college. He doesn't pass well for a PG, and could barely handle, and he doesn't rebound like Lowry. He might be a slightly better defender, and a better shooter, but this year his shooting has sucked. GTFO with the stop it. George Hill is overrated as s hit playing with 3 All Stars.

Bro.. one guy is manning the ship for a 19 win team and the other is sinking the ship of a 7 win team.

Hill at least knows how to get his team in position to win games... Lowry doesn't.

Again.. Stop it please.. If Hill was on Toronto he'd be outperforming Lowry in every major statistical category but he's not.. he's on a team with title aspirations you think Lowry can get to where he's at?

LOL Put George Hill on the Raptors and see him man the ship to 19 wins. What George Hill has over Kyle Lowry is better shooting and better teammates.

He'd put up better numbers than Lowry in Toronto. He put up 15, 5, and 4 on a team that took Miami to the wire in the ECF. Just quit comparing the two players in a vacuum. Who would you rather have running the point for your team?

[ibraheim718]

Does anyone really think if you replace George Hill with Kyle Lowry they're a better team and not a worse one? I mean seriously.

George Hill can't pass and can't rebound. He could barely create for himself.

Answer the question.

[ctorres]

He'd put up better numbers than Lowry in Toronto. He put up 15, 5, and 4 on a team that took Miami to the wire in the ECF. Just quit comparing the two players in a vacuum. Who would you rather have running the point for your team?

I'd say Kyle Lowry.

[god shammgod]

Chris Mannix ‏@ChrisMannixSI 5m

Toronto holding firm on asking price of quality young player and/or a first round pick, rival execs say. This could be a prolonged process

[NYK 455]

Why don't we look at the actual stats and not some fantasy stat like TS%? JR Smith shoots over 50% of his career in TS%, including 52% this season.

Kyle Lowry isn't good but I'm never surprised when I see fans endorsing awful moves because they've done it before for Eddy Curry, Zach Randolph, Steve Francis, Jerome James, JR Smith, etc. This fanbase either never learns from the past or simply enjoys the abuse.

Look, Curtis Axel, TS% is far from a fantasy stat, it's actually a reflection of real shooting percentage, using free throws, 2 pointers, and threes, and accounting for the volume and accuracy that said player all shot them at.

Okay. So by this legit stat JR Smith is a really efficient player. Is that right?

**** no. He's mediocre at best. His TS% hasn't been decent in like 5-6 years.

[Mike Breen]

Why don't we look at the actual stats and not some fantasy stat like TS%? JR Smith shoots over 50% of his career in TS%, including 52% this season.

Kyle Lowry isn't good but I'm never surprised when I see fans endorsing awful moves because they've done it before for Eddy Curry, Zach Randolph, Steve Francis, Jerome James, JR Smith, etc. This fanbase either never learns from the past or simply enjoys the abuse.

Look, Curtis Axel, TS% is far from a fantasy stat, it's actually a reflection of real shooting percentage, using free throws, 2 pointers, and threes, and accounting for the volume and accuracy that said player all shot them at.

Okay. So by this legit stat JR Smith is a really efficient player. Is that right?

JR has a 45% TS% this season, not 52. Both are actually pretty mediocre to sh*tty anyway.

[ibraheim718]

He'd put up better numbers than Lowry in Toronto. He put up 15, 5, and 4 on a team that took Miami to the wire in the ECF. Just quit comparing the two players in a vacuum. Who would you rather have running the point for your team?

I'd say Kyle Lowry.

You're damn crazy then.