Bucks talking Asik

[Chapter29]

I'd honestly be happier if we trade Knight at this point vs. Wolters.

Yep.

Not a Knight fan.

Much prefer when Nate is in.

[bizarro]

Imagining that Asik, Sanders, and Henson - OR, any combination of the two - can coexist on the court for long stretches of time is tantamount to Maurice Cheeks thinking Brandon Jennings can guard their upcoming opponents' PG's by simply proposing he must do it if he wants to be considered 'Good'. Instead of moving the very competent defender, Caldwell-Pope, onto the likes of Westbrook Cheeks will decline because he wants Jennings to be a complete player. And, yet, we all know that is an impossible task. Just as we all know you can't trade for Asik without sending out one of Sanders or Henson. And, considering Henson's recent improved play and Larry's complete absence the timing of this trade just makes absolutely zero sense.

We don't need Asik in any way shape or form.
We have nothing to gain by moving one of our other Center assets in the process.

Hammond: Hang up the phone. Get back in your tank!

[bizarro]

I'd honestly be happier if we trade Knight at this point vs. Wolters.

Yep.

Not a Knight fan.

Much prefer when Nate is in.

Problem #1: The Bucks literally think Brandon Knight is a starting PG. Let that sink in. This is who we're talking about. WOW.

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The *only* upside to this trade is it keeps the books clean enough in 2015 to make a lucrative offer to Kawhi Leonard, or, should the Spurs decide to trade Leonard, the Bucks have an asset worth more than Arsen to do so with.

If it's to free cap space they wasted on Zaza this summer, that's hysterical. If it's for a better trade chip, that's interesting, but Asik will only be an expiring, which is less interesting to any suitors.

Blergh.

[cinematographer]

Imagining that Asik, Sanders, and Henson - OR, any combination of the two - can coexist on the court for long stretches of time is tantamount to Maurice Cheeks thinking Brandon Jennings can guard their upcoming opponents' PG's by simply proposing he must do it if he wants to be considered 'Good'.

Nonsense! Knight/Mayo/Butler/Any of those 2 >>>>>> Lin/Harden/Parsons/Asik/Howard!

[Sky High]

This isn't real, right?

...right?!!

[paulpressey25]

I know we needed a good trade rumor vent. Personally though I'd be more interested in the Larry Sanders options for a deal of him at the trade deadline, after he proves he can come back in January.

Ersan might go at some point, but not for this specific package.

[Chapter29]

I still believe Henson is and can play the PF position full-time next to Sanders or Asik

Max, you may think this...BUT...it doesn't really hold up to scrutiny. Nothing about their games are really compatible - not when we've watched them play in the past and not statistically either. And, if anything, given Henson's growth in such a short period of time as a Center, it should be clear we have 2 Centers on our hands. Either we should keep them both - start one and use the other in a rotation. OR, we should consider trading one and devoting resources elsewhere.

At present, I'm in favor of holding onto both of them. And, this is why I hold such disdain for this deal. Our FO has never demonstrated a plan of forward-thinking. I just have no faith they see the roster in a sensible way. There is no point in keeping Asik if they have no intentions of moving either Henson or Sanders. Neither are 4's. And, I just don't trust the FO to move any of the three. They've earned this mistrust with the way they've accumulate 4's and 5's in the past.

This may be true. I am still not 100% sold that's the case. I wanted to see 2 things...1 Henson improve....and maybe finally he did....2 see a rotation of Ersan, Sanders and Henson. The latter we have not seen yet. So I guess although I probably agree with you ...I still want to see what that rotation would look like and how well would it do.

Asik makes zero sense for this team. Obviously if we traded for him other moves would have to be lined up. We never win trades and have minimal assets. Ugh.

[whatthe_buck!?]

One, the Rockets would only get 1 player who could contribute to wins in the Okc trade instead of 3. Number two, Wolters, Udoh and Ersan all have great positive value individually whereas Perkins is a HUGE negative as a player and as a cap killer plus Lamb only has value to a team that has time to develop him and -not insignificantly because he's proven nothing yet- that believes in him. Inotherwords that's a terrible trade package to a team like the rockets who are as all in on win now as a team could possibly be.

On the extreme other hand, the bucks trade package had it all; cap relief in Udoh (not to mention he's a serviceable backup big), a excellent starter in Ersan for winning now (and great team player on a contender with other scoring options as he doesn't need the ball in his hands to be effective), and a legitimately exciting young point guard prospect in Wolters who already has flashed real NBA skills (good size, good ballhadling, and great court-vision/passing). It's a package that does everything for u and would literally be attractive to every single team in the entire league.

You do realize that DB is saying that if Houston could get Lamb they would take him instead of our package because it is more value correct? You are literally making the exact opposite argument that he was. You're the one completely missing his point.

Ok well I guess that's why I was confused about u bringing up Lamb and Perkins lol, obviously I missed Reasonablysobers post and for that I apologize for the confusion. But I don't see how my whole post argued in favor or ur overall point even if I did inadvertently argue against a scenario RS brought up.

The point is a Nate-Ers-Udoh package is a great trade package that literally every team in the league would give up something of value for. Asik-Brewer? Maybe, MAYBE 10 teams would be interested in trading for Asik-Brewer and I tend to believe that's pushing it (come to think of it, with all the teams out there tanking this year there are probably more teams in the league that would be attracted by a Lamb-Perkins trade package than there are teams that would be attracted to a Asik-Brewer one).

In conclusion, there is no way to argue Asik-Brewer isn't an unequal trade value-wise if Nate-Ers-Udoh is the return. In mind it's an a*sraping but that's just me, I can see your point of view too but not enough to see that being fair return.

[vollbc74]

The only possible positive of this trade is that we could trade him again this year if it is done between the 15th & 19th.

Given Houston's hard stance of not trading Asik to the West, we would have a very marketable asset in Asik (or Sanders) to shop to teams like OKC and POR who can put together nice packages that make sense for our team. If the goal is to lose games, then who cares if we play Sanders/Asik next to each other. They would contribute barely 25 ppg between them with the lack of spacing. The cap space is useless anyways because we will waste in on players like Neal/Mayo because no stud will be coming to the Bucks in FA, and his contract will be off the books by the time we need to extend Hensen, Giannis, & Draft pick X.

Losing Wolters is the only negative and if the Rockets added Canaan or Beverly it would be a lateral move IMO.

[REDDzone]

Just don't see it happening.

[Nebula1]

This doesn't look totally unreasonable... assuming Asik is then flipped to a third team. I'll just wait until the 16th before getting too excited.

The Ersan/Asik deal has been on the table for awhile so I don't see why the tremendous surprise. Let it play out..

[whatthe_buck!?]

This doesn't look totally unreasonable... assuming Asik is then flipped to a third team. I'll just wait until the 16th before getting too excited.

The Ersan/Asik deal has been on the table for awhile so I don't see why the tremendous surprise. Let it play out..

Because this was a specific trade rumor that named all the pieces and those pieces made us freak the f*ck out lol

[Matches Malone]

This doesn't look totally unreasonable... assuming Asik is then flipped to a third team. I'll just wait until the 16th before getting too excited.

The Ersan/Asik deal has been on the table for awhile so I don't see why the tremendous surprise. Let it play out..

I think the surprise is that we would be including Wolters in any deal when he has been our best point guard this year and looks to be a competent backup in this league.

[Baddy Chuck]

The point is a Nate-Ers-Udoh package is a great trade package that literally every team in the league would give up something of value for.

I don't think that's even remotely close. I'd probably put the number of teams interested in that package pretty similar to that interested in Asik. Bad teams shouldn't want it, fringe teams probably wouldn't give up much value and contenders would be all based on fit and what they'd have to give up. I think you really overate our package not only for win now purposes, but also value.

[bizarro]

This may be true. I am still not 100% sold that's the case. I wanted to see 2 things...1 Henson improve....and maybe finally he did....2 see a rotation of Ersan, Sanders and Henson. The latter we have not seen yet. So I guess although I probably agree with you ...I still want to see what that rotation would look like and how well would it do.

Asik makes zero sense for this team. Obviously if we traded for him other moves would have to be lined up. We never win trades and have minimal assets. Ugh.

You are braver man than I. I want to move Ersan for several reasons: (1) When he is healthy, he provides too much net positive when paired with either Henson or Larry and I want to tank. And, I want to tank hard. (2) Of all our current assets, I would propose he has the most value league-wide. (3) I want to keep Larry and Henson. I really want to avoid playing them together mainly because they are redundant - though, Henson obviously has the better offense whereas Larry has the more complete defense. I want to hold onto Larry given his new contract and given how he's absolutely destroyed any value he had throughout the league. And, frankly, I commit to the two as our Center tandem of the future. Henson has plenty of room for improvement. Larry has plenty of reputation (both as a player and a person) to resurrect.

As for 'other moves would have to be lined up'...When is the last that actually happened for the Bucks? When is the last time it actually helped? This is my deepest fear. Even if they have something in mind, I have very little doubt they won't absolutely **** it up.

[ReasonablySober]

Just don't see it happening.

Agreed. It makes no sense for either team.

[whatthe_buck!?]

The point is a Nate-Ers-Udoh package is a great trade package that literally every team in the league would give up something of value for.

I don't think that's even remotely close. I'd probably put the number of teams interested in that package pretty similar to that interested in Asik. Bad teams shouldn't want it, fringe teams probably wouldn't give up much value and contenders would be all based on fit and what they'd have to give up. I think you really overate our package not only for win now purposes, but also value.

Tanking teams wouldn't want a promising young PG on a second round contract, a significant expiring contract and a reasonably priced starting caliber 27 year old PF who could at the very least be flipped for a pick in this years draft? Are u nuts? Name me one team that wouldn't love that package if the asking price was reasonable to them. Name one team, I'm serious.

[coolhandluke121]

Ersan has always been a ridiculously slow starter, and Sanders will be back soon. Once Ersan starts hitting his outside shots, like he does every year around this time, and Sanders comes back, the Bucks will start winning at roughly a 35-40% rate in my opinion. Trading for yet another center -- shortly before Sanders is due to come back, no less -- could be one of the best realistic things that could happen for the tank.

Of course trading Ersan for draft picks would be better, though not as realistic considering the Bucks' track record, and it seems silly (though not especially consequential) to give up an effective backup floor general on a bargain-basement contract in order to make this work. But the most important thing is to somehow preserve the tank despite Larry's inevitable return and Ersan's inevitable regression to midseason form. This does that.

I'm not gonna riot in the streets if this happens. I already know that they're always trying to "win now", so the fact that they would make a move in that direction doesn't faze me. I take comfort in the fact that they always fail so spectacularly when they try to make win-now moves, and the fact that all their win-now moves of the past have made them so bad that this is the best they can do. There should be some kind of reward for "you can't make this sh*t up" stupidity, with Kohl and the cronies' names on it. But again, everyone take a deep breath and Heil the Tank. This isn't that bad.

[TheWig]

The point is a Nate-Ers-Udoh package is a great trade package that literally every team in the league would give up something of value for.

I don't think that's even remotely close. I'd probably put the number of teams interested in that package pretty similar to that interested in Asik. Bad teams shouldn't want it, fringe teams probably wouldn't give up much value and contenders would be all based on fit and what they'd have to give up. I think you really overate our package not only for win now purposes, but also value.

Tanking teams wouldn't want a promising young PG on a second round contract, a significant expiring contract and a reasonably priced starting caliber 27 year old PF who could at the very least be flipped for a pick in this years draft? Are u nuts? Name me one team that wouldn't love that package if the asking price was reasonable to them. Name one team, I'm serious.

Minnesota bc they have Rubio and Love


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