Bucks talking Asik

[Matches Malone]

If this trade went down could we stage a realgm meet up outside the BMO with megaphones calling for Hammonds Job all the while we are wearing bags on our heads.

[RandyBreuer]

It is possible they could flip Asik. In June of 09 Hammond immediately flipped Amir Johnson and Sonny Weems for Delfino and Ukic. If the plan is to keep Asik and find a deal for Larry later I don't see it ending well. They surely can't make another short sided deal now having this bad of a team???!!!

[cinematographer]

Tanking teams wouldn't want a promising young PG on a second round contract, a significant expiring contract and a reasonably priced starting caliber 27 year old PF who could at the very least be flipped for a pick in this years draft? Are u nuts? Name me one team that wouldn't love that package if the asking price was reasonable to them. Name one team, I'm serious.

Arsen isn't 27.

[CanadaBucks]

I believe if that trade happened Asik could be traded one-for-one at any time but could not be in a multi-player deal until the deadline. I'd be fine with the deal as long as one more piece was coming back(Rockets 1st, Canaan, Motiejunas). Brewer's contract is guaranteed for 100k so I assume he would be waived by the cut-off date(7th of Jan?).

Trade makes some sense if there's other things behind it, Nate is a great story and I'd hate to see him go though.

[bigkurty]

I think this trade would make us worse since Nate is our best pg at the moment. Losing Ersan and having two centers who would fight for minutes also helps us tank even harder. I don't mind the trade if we can turn Asik around and flip him or Larry right away for a prospect better than Wolters. However given that the organization is delusional enough to think this trade would improve the team, I have zero confidence they get a better prospect for the money back than Wolters. Plus let's be honest, Asik just isn't that good and not a difference maker at all. And Ronnie Brewer, wth. Can we just make a rule to never target players in trades who are already declining and past their prime? #bucksgonnabucks

[whatthe_buck!?]

Tanking teams wouldn't want a promising young PG on a second round contract, a significant expiring contract and a reasonably priced starting caliber 27 year old PF who could at the very least be flipped for a pick in this years draft? Are u nuts? Name me one team that wouldn't love that package if the asking price was reasonable to them. Name one team, I'm serious.

Arsen isn't 27.

Lol. Youre right I forgot, according to Kruschev era CCCP documents that were kept top secret in the basement of the Lubyanka prison for the greater part of a century he is actually a Russian quadruple agent who is 75 years old. My beezy...

[Baddy Chuck]

Tanking teams wouldn't want a promising young PG on a second round contract, a significant expiring contract and a reasonably priced starting caliber 27 year old PF who could at the very least be flipped for a pick in this years draft? Are u nuts? Name me one team that wouldn't love that package if the asking price was reasonable to them. Name one team, I'm serious.

If reasonable to them meant reasonable for us, I don't think the list would be pretty long. Teams that bad aren't going to take that package while giving up similar value, there is literally no reason to. I don't doubt if they could get it for pennies on the dollar they wouldn't take it, but giving up equal value I don't believe the list of teams interested in that package would be very high at all. It really isn't that great of a package win now, or value wise. I'm not saying it doesn't have value, because to the right team it does, but it isn't close to every team in the league being willing to give up similar value for that package because it really doesn't help many teams to do so. A tanking team isn't going to give up equal value for the package with the hopes they can flip Ersan/Udoh with the spoils of that trade being Nate Wolters, a pretty mediocre prospect, a fringe team certainly isn't going to bank on anyone in that package being the player or bringing them the player they need to become relevant and a there's very few contenders who have assets that would make a deal worthwhile for them and for us. The biggest problem is it's a weird package. Nobody is going to value Wolters like we fans will, just like Jon Leuer was basically used as a salary filler throw in when a few months prior he was holding up the make believe trade of Al Horford for Andrew Bogut between teams on these boards. I think you have a ridiculously unrealistic view on the value, and usefulness, of that package. It really isn't that great. It's a niche package, just like a team looking for a defensive center would be Asik's niche. You can find value, but it is going to be hardly a majority of teams.

To name a team I'll just go with the first one, Atlanta. They really would have no need for that package.

[Thunder Muscle]

[whatthe_buck!?]

I think this trade would make us worse since Nate is our best pg at the moment. Losing Ersan and having two centers who would fight for minutes also helps us tank even harder. I don't mind the trade if we can turn Asik around and flip him or Larry right away for a prospect better than Wolters. However given that the organization is delusional enough to think this trade would improve the team, I have zero confidence they get a better prospect for the money back than Wolters. Plus let's be honest, Asik just isn't that good and not a difference maker at all. And Ronnie Brewer, wth. Can we just make a rule to never target players in trades who are already declining and past their prime? #bucksgonnabucks

If, as u say, Asik isn't that good (and since Ersan is pretty good, at least imo), wouldn't we get more in return in a trade if we just made a different trade instead with Ersan of trading him for Asik and then flipping him? That's like jumping through extra hoops for a lesser return in my book, and that's not even taking into account giving up a guy u think is pretty ok in Wolters (although based on your post I'm guessing u dont think all that highly of his long term potential)...

[nikip43]

Meeks and Lamb were both traded during their rookie years. Leuer right after his first season. It's not unlike Hammond to flip a second round guy early on in his career. It'll be interesting to see how Nate plays this weekend after hearing his name brought up in a trade rumor this soon in his career...such is the life of an NBA player.

[DickCunningham]

The Bucks' front office seems determined to bleed out the enthusiasm of the remaining fanbase. My 13-year-old son just said he is done with the Bucks if they trade Nate.

[Baddy Chuck]

If, as u say, Asik isn't that good (and since Ersan is pretty good, at least imo), wouldn't we get more in return in a trade if we just made a different trade instead with Ersan of trading him for Asik and then flipping him?

He said Asik wasn't a real difference maker, just like Ersan is hardly a real difference maker. They're pieces you throw on a team with a need for them.

[whatthe_buck!?]

Tanking teams wouldn't want a promising young PG on a second round contract, a significant expiring contract and a reasonably priced starting caliber 27 year old PF who could at the very least be flipped for a pick in this years draft? Are u nuts? Name me one team that wouldn't love that package if the asking price was reasonable to them. Name one team, I'm serious.

If reasonable to them meant reasonable for us, I don't think the list would be pretty long. Teams that bad aren't going to take that package while giving up similar value, there is literally no reason to. I don't doubt if they could get it for pennies on the dollar they wouldn't take it, but giving up equal value I don't believe the list of teams interested in that package would be very high at all. It really isn't that great of a package win now, or value wise. I'm not saying it doesn't have value, because to the right team it does, but it isn't close to every team in the league being willing to give up similar value for that package because it really doesn't help many teams to do so. A tanking team isn't going to give up equal value for the package with the hopes they can flip Ersan/Udoh with the spoils of that trade being Nate Wolters, a pretty mediocre prospect, a fringe team certainly isn't going to bank on anyone in that package being the player or bringing them the player they need to become relevant and a there's very few contenders who have assets that would make a deal worthwhile for them and for us. The biggest problem is it's a weird package. Nobody is going to value Wolters like we fans will, just like Jon Leuer was basically used as a salary filler throw in when a few months prior he was holding up the make believe trade of Al Horford for Andrew Bogut between teams on these boards. I think you have a ridiculously unrealistic view on the value, and usefulness, of that package. It really isn't that great. It's a niche package, just like a team looking for a defensive center would be Asik's niche. You can find value, but it is going to be hardly a majority of teams.

I'm going to take that as an admission that you can't think of one team that wouldn't like to have Nate-Udoh-Ersan. Lets do it this way, what teams wouldn't give up simply some kind of salary filler for that package? Nobody. What teams wouldn't give up simply some kind of salary filler for Asik and Brewer. Plenty of teams. Case closed sorry to say.

[cinematographer]

Tanking teams wouldn't want a promising young PG on a second round contract, a significant expiring contract and a reasonably priced starting caliber 27 year old PF who could at the very least be flipped for a pick in this years draft? Are u nuts? Name me one team that wouldn't love that package if the asking price was reasonable to them. Name one team, I'm serious.

Arsen isn't 27.

Lol. Youre right I forgot, according to Kruschev era CCCP documents that were kept top secret in the basement of the Lubyanka prison for the greater part of a century he is actually a Russian quadruple agent who is 75 years old. My beezy...

See: media day this year and his request to have his name pronounced "Arsen" before last season and his parents moving back to Uzbekistan.

[ReddWing]

41 seconds in. This is how I feel about this trade idea.

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Why would we trade Nate? Oh that right, we are the Bucks and we get rid of promising young players for the right to be Miami's prison b***h.

[Guy986]

I understand Buck fans want to tank and Asik is redundant with Larry Sander.

I'm sure we could find a way to make this 3 way. Atlanta should be willing to give up assets for Asik.

3 way template:

Asik to Atanta
Ersan and filler to Houston
middling assets to Milwakee

[bigkurty]

I think this trade would make us worse since Nate is our best pg at the moment. Losing Ersan and having two centers who would fight for minutes also helps us tank even harder. I don't mind the trade if we can turn Asik around and flip him or Larry right away for a prospect better than Wolters. However given that the organization is delusional enough to think this trade would improve the team, I have zero confidence they get a better prospect for the money back than Wolters. Plus let's be honest, Asik just isn't that good and not a difference maker at all. And Ronnie Brewer, wth. Can we just make a rule to never target players in trades who are already declining and past their prime? #bucksgonnabucks

If, as u say, Asik isn't that good (and since Ersan is pretty good, at least imo), wouldn't we get more in return in a trade if we just made a different trade instead with Ersan of trading him for Asik and then flipping him? That's like jumping through extra hoops for a lesser return in my book, and that's not even taking into account giving up a guy u think is pretty ok in Wolters (although based on your post I'm guessing u dont think all that highly of his long term potential)...

My post is poorly worded. Basically Ersan and Udoh have played like crap this year so their value is low right now. However if the team was smart enough to have another trade lined up to send Asik to say OKC for Lamb and Jones. Then all of a sudden it's a great move considering those guys are the exact guys we should be trying to pick up. This example is extreme though since OKC wouldn't do that. And deep down I think we all know, they wouldn't flip these guys since they probably think their veteran leadership will help us get the 8 seed. I actually like Wolters a lot but I would give him Udoh and Ersan up if it netted us a prospect like Lamb. That's my main point.

[Baddy Chuck]

I'm going to take that as an admission that you can't think of one team that wouldn't like to have Nate-Udoh-Ersan. Lets do it this way, what teams wouldn't give up simply some kind of salary filler for that package? Nobody. What teams wouldn't give up simply some kind of salary filler for Asik and Brewer. Plenty of teams. Case closed sorry to say.

You don't think if a team didn't need to give up value they wouldn't take Asik, one of the best defensive centers in the league? You're nuts. He has value and to the right team a damn good amount of value. If all it took was a "salary filler", every team in the league would take him.

And I edited that post and said Atlanta, they have no use for our package to give up anywhere near fair value.

[Wooderson]

I understand Buck fans want to tank and Asik is redundant with Larry Sander.

I'm sure we could find a way to make this 3 way. Atlanta should be willing to give up assets for Asik.

3 way template:

Asik to Atanta
Ersan and filler to Houston
middling assets to Milwakee

Atlanta doesn't really have any middling assets though. They have really attractive assets in Schroeder and their 14/15 picks, and then not much else. Given that they have the option to swap picks with BKN the next two years, I find it unlikely they'd part with either pick. Schroeder would probably have to be the guy, but I don't think they do that unless they're dead set on winning now.

[whatthe_buck!?]

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