Bucks talking Asik

[H2tObes]

Nahh

swag

[emunney]

[Baddy Chuck]

Nahh

[H2tObes]

Crisis averted, for now. To be continued...

[BigDee]

Say what.

[TheWig]

Nahh

He has spoken


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[Madtown]

Say what.

QFT. Say effing what? I'm so confused. Was this a joke? Can't be right? I mean I hope so cuz I'm luvin this tank. But you can't post something false like that, right? If it really is false?

so confused.

[whatthe_buck!?]

Spoiler:

Ok let me put it a different way. Could Ersan on his own be moved for an expiring contract? Yes. Could Asik? Sure. But if u acquire Asik and trade him for an expiring u are left with Ronnie Brewer (which = worthless crap). If u trade for Ers with that package and then flip him for an expiring u are left with Wolters (which = a worthwhile asset). Thus every team in the entire league would trade for the bucks package because even if its a tanking team u could turn around and Ers unload for nothing and still have a nice young piece that would make the entire trade worthwhile.

With Asik that isn't the case, a tanking team acquiring and unloading Asik would be left with nothing, which makes trading for him useless for those select teams. Therefore, every team in the league would covet the bucks trade package to some extent. With the rockets package that simply isn't true. Do u see why I'm right that the Bucks trade package is more valuable?

Edit: And Atlanta would definitely go for that package if they could. If u want me to put together a deal they would do I will...

If you want to base a deal off a team giving up nothing but a salary filler, every team in the league would take ours or the Asik package because they have value. That isn't how most (any) trades work. Teams have to give up value to get value. Not a lot of teams are going to give up the required value for either package. They are niche packages and only fill a role on a limited number of teams. There is no point in arguing which package has more value if Ersan/Asik had no value, because they do have value. Personally, I look at the teams that would probably be willing to give up the assets for either Ersan or Asik, and I think Asik gets you the better asset, and I think that asset (namely Lamb) would be well worth giving up Wolters.

I think all three packages (Bucks/Rockets/Thunder) are similar value. I wouldn't trade ours for Houston's because there is no point, Asik serves no purpose on our team. I don't think Houston would trade Asik for the Thunder's package because they are a win now team and Lamb really serves no purpose besides an asset on their team. I would however trade our package for the Thunder's because we get a higher tier prospect in Lamb. If we could get Asik (to flip) without giving up Wolters obviously that is better, but if we could flip Asik for a better prospect I have no problem trading Wolters.

Taking out the value/fit aspect to certain parts of trades is a ridiculous way to look at it. Of course if teams didn't have to give up something of value to get something of value they'd do it.

What the hell are we arguing about then? You just said u wouldn't trade ours for Houston's because there's no point. If that's been you're stance then I've agreed wholeheartedly this entire time. I think our package is better than Houston's and u disagree but that's not what we're arguing about, I thought u were saying the packages were equal value and that's why u would do it. Did I miss u stating earlier that u were against doing the trade somehow? If I did I'm a dumb*ss and I apologize for wasting both of our time...

[whatthe_buck!?]

Nahh

That's that

[Nebula1]

Canaan, Motiejunas or a 1st do it for you?

Honestly, no it doesn't. Another tiny point guard, big Euro, and a pick that has a good chance of not being as talented as Nate. No thanks.

Canaan isn't tiny.

[whatthe_buck!?]

hope it goes down. but we would need to follow it up with another asik or sanders deal that nets a better young guy than wolters. this trade alone doesnt make any sense longterm at all. asik should hold his value so im not to worried about timing... we could move him predraft or in the summer for all i care. and as stated before.... this wont affect our performance on the floor much this season either. win win.

You serious ?

we get the biggest chip in the deal. any deal that brings back a better asset than goes out without immediately impacting wins is a solid deal. we can worry fit and roster balance later. who gives a sh't hes another center? we want to win 15 games on the season anyway.

I can't agree with this philosophy. If our core has a arrival time for contending of 2-3 years and we're acquiring a piece that's a free agent after next season and would likely be gone before then it's not a good trade unless we KNOW our front office will be able to deal him for something of value before then or that we will likely be able to resign him for a reasonable price. Counting on our front office to pull off a tough secondary move is like playing with fire.

[breakchains]

the Bucks don't have it in them to act as a middleman who extracts value from two different entities, so basically this would be for Asik to be a Buck, at best. At worst, it would be followed by a trade of Sanders for pennies on the dollar. The worst case seems like the Bucks in action.

I just thank the stars that Giannis got early playing time and everything else went wrong for the Bucks right away. If not, the vultures would be circling and shrewd GMs would have found a miserable way to steal him and we'd have a Dirk 2.0.

[bizarro]

Nahh

I'm Jimmy Stewart upon hearing the trade rumor.

The cop is one of our Board Members informing me BuckPack has negated the trade.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k_Vsmqf6X8[/youtube]

[trwi7]

6 minute video? Want to just give me a quick recap?

[SkilesTheLimit]

If I could ask BuckPack one question it would be simple:

Is Hammond on board with the tank?

[bizarro]

6 minute video? Want to just give me a quick recap?

Ha! I know...I know. But, this entire rumor felt like 6 minutes of a holiday season re-run.

Jimmy Stewart is rescued from his woeful state. End of story. Hip Hip hooray

[Garbs_7]

There's always a lot of different sources leaking stuff from teams for different reasons and Wichmae has been good with inside info in the past, so before anyone jumps on him or anything now that BP has "confirmed" it isn't in the works, thanks for sharing anyway Wich.

[Wooderson]

If I could ask BuckPack one question it would be simple:

Is Hammond on board with the tank?

Unless his tank plan started in 2010 offseason, the answer is no. That's when he really started lighting money on fire and burning assets - making short-term trades which eventually resulted in long-term failure.

[bizarro]

There's always a lot of different sources leaking stuff from teams for different reasons and Wichmae has been good with inside info in the past, so before anyone jumps on him or anything now that BP has "confirmed" it isn't in the works, thanks for sharing anyway Wich.

I, for one, didn't have an ounce of ill-will toward Wich. If you've got info, share it. The rest will sort it out. Who knows. The deal could still come together, regardless of BuckPack's beacon of hope.

[Wooderson]

There's always a lot of different sources leaking stuff from teams for different reasons and Wichmae has been good with inside info in the past, so before anyone jumps on him or anything now that BP has "confirmed" it isn't in the works, thanks for sharing anyway Wich.

It's also a fluid situation. It could be that Houston thinks they have another partner lineup up. That could fall through and Houston could lower their asking price for the Bucks. Both insiders definitely are legitimate even if transactions down the road don't lineup up with what they hear today.