Bucks talking Asik

[paulpressey25]

Ok...nothing to see here. Time to move over to the "why isn't John Hammond fired yet" thread.

[Baddy Chuck]

If I could ask BuckPack one question it would be simple:

Is Hammond on board with the tank?

Unless his tank plan started in 2010 offseason, the answer is no. That's when he really started lighting money on fire and burning assets - making short-term trades which eventually resulted in long-term failure.

To be fair what happened could be completely different from what our GM would've wanted.

[SkilesTheLimit]

If I could ask BuckPack one question it would be simple:

Is Hammond on board with the tank?

Unless his tank plan started in 2010 offseason, the answer is no. That's when he really started lighting money on fire and burning assets - making short-term trades which eventually resulted in long-term failure.

I understand the past. I'm concerned about the present, specifically terrified for the upcoming trade deadline.

Has he learned from his past mistakes (a la Tobias trade) or will he repeat history and trade a young asset for a "win now" vet?

It would solve so much of my anxiety to know that deep down he wouldn't **** it up again because he understands the top of the 2014 draft class is elite and worth losing big for one year.

[Wooderson]

If I could ask BuckPack one question it would be simple:

Is Hammond on board with the tank?

Unless his tank plan started in 2010 offseason, the answer is no. That's when he really started lighting money on fire and burning assets - making short-term trades which eventually resulted in long-term failure.

To be fair what happened could be completely different from what our GM would've wanted.

I took on board to mean that he organized some sort of stealth tank by putting on a theater of moves in the offseason that could pass as win-now for Kohl.

[TheWig]

If I could ask BuckPack one question it would be simple:

Is Hammond on board with the tank?

Unless his tank plan started in 2010 offseason, the answer is no. That's when he really started lighting money on fire and burning assets - making short-term trades which eventually resulted in long-term failure.

GAD said Hammond wanted to rebuild but kohl wouldn't let him. Maybe this is the start of it.


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[Wooderson]

I understand the past. I'm concerned about the present, specifically terrified for the upcoming trade deadline.

Has he learned from his past mistakes (a la Tobias trade) or will he repeat history and trade a young asset for a "win now" vet?

It would solve so much of my anxiety to know that deep down he wouldn't **** it up again because he understands the top of the 2014 draft class is elite and worth losing big for one year.

Ah OK I see what you're saying. I guess my response was more to the people that think our offseason moves were the result of an intentional plan to end up in the lottery. I could definitely see Hammond recognizing that this is the time to let the season progress as it is. I'm not sure he's even the one pulling the trigger at this point. I'm going to guess that Morway holds a good amount of influence.

[blazza18]

Sigh of relief...for now.

[andonewheel]

I don't really understand why our team would be discussing Asik when we have Sanders/Henson already. Ersan is one trade chip and Asik is another but which one is really better? This trade seems like it needs a third team to make sense.

[Wooderson]

If I could ask BuckPack one question it would be simple:

Is Hammond on board with the tank?

Unless his tank plan started in 2010 offseason, the answer is no. That's when he really started lighting money on fire and burning assets - making short-term trades which eventually resulted in long-term failure.

GAD said Hammond wanted to rebuild but kohl wouldn't let him. Maybe this is the start of it.

I remember that, unfortunately he's not smart enough to make win-now moves that actually provide some benefit in the future as well. I understand that those points are contradictory to a degree, but he's burned the team about as badly as he could outside of the draft.

I think a better/smarter GM would have been able to convince Kohl that a move like Redick/Tobias would have no impact on the teams trajectory and would only serve to hurt the team. And even worse, from what info is out there, Hammond was actually at the forefront of that deal being made.

[Baddy Chuck]

I took on board to mean that he organized some sort of stealth tank by putting on a theater of moves in the offseason that could pass as win-now for Kohl.

I highly doubt that is the case. Hammond is Kohl's employee, he's going to do whatever Kohl wants. Hammond is trying to win now with what Kohl has given him, and doing an atrocious job at it. He may want to tank and Kohl may have told him no, but once that may have happened he made an honest attempt to make this team good. And he sucks at it.

[paulpressey25]

This trade seems like it needs a third team to make sense.

That's why any type of deal with Ersan and Asik hasn't been made.

According to the Houston insider from three weeks ago, the Rockets were supposed to find a third team with assets acceptable to the Bucks, but that was hard to do. In the meantime, Terrance Jones has taken off and Ersan continues to look somewhat blah.

[buckboy]

Glad BuckPack weighed in, because this deal made no sense for either team.

[Wooderson]

I took on board to mean that he organized some sort of stealth tank by putting on a theater of moves in the offseason that could pass as win-now for Kohl.

I highly doubt that is the case. Hammond is Kohl's employee, he's going to do whatever Kohl wants. Hammond is trying to win now with that Kohl has given him, and doing an atrocious job at it. He may want to tank and Kohl may have told him no, but once that may have happened he made an honest attempt to make this team good. And he sucks at it.

I'm in 100% agreement with that. Others on the board have intimated that Hammond was setting this team up to tank in the offseason, which is laughable. The answer to whether Hammond is on board the tank as of today is kind of funny to me just because any reasonable person would be.

Disclaimer: I'm over the blame Hammond agenda. Kohl is the problem.

[paulpressey25]

I think a better/smarter GM would have been able to convince Kohl

Here's how you convince Kohl.....make a few really good moves. Home run moves. Then Kohl will love you. We will also. That's how you get POLITICAL CAPITAL to get what you want. Like how George Karl got to be the highest paid coach in the league and a share of ownership in the team back in 2000. He delivered. Kohl rewarded with even more power. The power to sign Anthony Mason and trade Ray Allen for example.

Sorry I'm ranting tonight, but this BS about us not being able to see "the real Hammond" due to Kohl is complete crap. If Hammond were a great or even good GM, we would have seen a couple signature moves here the past six-years to prove he knows what he's doing. We haven't seen anything of the sort.

[buckboy]

I don't really understand why our team would be discussing Asik when we have Sanders/Henson already. Ersan is one trade chip and Asik is another but which one is really better? This trade seems like it needs a third team to make sense.

I'd easily rather have Asik if it was a straight up deal.

He's worth more.

[ReasonablySober]

I think a better/smarter GM would have been able to convince Kohl

Here's how you convince Kohl.....make a few really good moves. Home run moves. Then Kohl will love you. We will also. That's how you get POLITICAL CAPITAL to get what you want. Like how George Karl got to be the highest paid coach in the league and a share of ownership in the team back in 2000. He delivered. Kohl rewarded with even more power. The power to sign Anthony Mason and trade Ray Allen for example.

Sorry I'm ranting tonight, but this BS about us not being able to see "the real Hammond" due to Kohl is complete crap. If Hammond were a great or even good GM, we would have seen a couple signature moves here the past six-years to prove he knows what he's doing. We haven't seen anything of the sort.

Sanders, Henson, Giannis and Harris? Even LRMAM? Getting good players where the Bucks did in the draft isn't insignificant.

[Baddy Chuck]

Disclaimer: I'm over the blame Hammond agenda. Kohl is the problem.

Nah, Hammond **** sucks at his job too, he deserves a ton of blame as well.

[theFireBlanket]

I think a better/smarter GM would have been able to convince Kohl

Here's how you convince Kohl.....make a few really good moves. Home run moves. Then Kohl will love you. We will also. That's how you get POLITICAL CAPITAL to get what you want. Like how George Karl got to be the highest paid coach in the league and a share of ownership in the team back in 2000. He delivered. Kohl rewarded with even more power. The power to sign Anthony Mason and trade Ray Allen for example.

Eh, he allowed Hammond to sign Gooden and trade for Maggette.

[Wooderson]

I think a better/smarter GM would have been able to convince Kohl

Here's how you convince Kohl.....make a few really good moves. Home run moves. Then Kohl will love you. We will also. That's how you get POLITICAL CAPITAL to get what you want. Like how George Karl got to be the highest paid coach in the league and a share of ownership in the team back in 2000. He delivered. Kohl rewarded with even more power. The power to sign Anthony Mason and trade Ray Allen for example.

Sorry I'm ranting tonight, but this BS about us not being able to see "the real Hammond" due to Kohl is complete crap. If Hammond were a great or even good GM, we would have seen a couple signature moves here the past six-years to prove he knows what he's doing. We haven't seen anything of the sort.

Excellent post. At this point Hammond might just be one of many voices that Kohl looks to for managerial decisions. I mean if your Kohl how do you trust Hammond after the multitude of moves that shortly thereafter became mistakes that he had to clean up.

Maggette ---> Stephen Jackson ---> Disaster, Gooden ---> Bench ---> Amnesty, Tobias ---> Redick, etc

Which leads to the bigger point of why in the hell was Hammond extended? It was purely based off of a few weeks of play last year which had the team trending towards the 7th seed.

[Baddy Chuck]

Sanders, Henson, Giannis and Harris? Even LRMAM? Getting good players where the Bucks did in the draft isn't insignificant.

Not insignificant, but I don't think any of those players hardly could be considered "signature moves". Maybe if Giannis becomes a premier player, but that likely isn't happening very soon. PP is right in saying he hasn't placed a marking stone in Bucks history yet.