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Re: Official Suns Free Agent/Trade/Transaction Thread 

Post#761 » by lilfishi22 » Fri Dec 13, 2013 5:07 am

JDLAW wrote:I do not think a buyout is likely either, but not saying it could not happen, just seems unlikely for a variety of reasons - not the least of which is that they probably do not want to pay him to play for another team The savings from a buy-out is likely to be de minims. There is really no reason for him to give up $$. If he is cleared to play at all and it is late in the season, I would guess he will not force his way out because a very rusty Okafor may damage his free agent value in the off season. My guess is that he and the Suns will keep their options open and re-evaluate the situation in February, which appears to be the earliest he would be cleared, if at all.

I still maintain he is more likely than not to be on the roster through the season, but will not play this year.

I'd say it's unlikely because there's no indication that Okafor is disgruntled and wants out. But if it's the case that Okafor wants to play for a contender, which is what I was addressing based on the article, then the best way to get it done is through a buyout. We don't want the crap from contenders so a trade is highly unlikely, so a buyout is really the only option and it's beneficial to both parties.

I do think it's likely that we'll get him on the court in the 2nd half of the season and run with it.
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Post#762 » by JDLAW » Fri Dec 13, 2013 5:40 am

We pretty much agree, but I do not think he plays this year. Multiple bulging disks in the cervical spine is a condition that takes time to heal without surgery; especially if there is some neurological deficits. If I recall, he had neurological deficits in the form of numbness and tingling in the upper extremities.

I think he takes the whole year off to heal and to get ready for free agency in the off season. But I concede you could be correct in that he plays late this year, but it will likely be later in the season if it occurs.
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Post#763 » by thamadkant » Fri Dec 13, 2013 8:01 am

JDLAW wrote:
My 2 cents

McD traded for Okafor…
- Because Gortat was not part of the future plans and he did really like Plumlee and eventually Len to be the rotation centers.
- He wanted to 1 big salary that is expiring, in hopes that he could trade for one disgruntled star by All-Star break. Initially I believe Aldridge was on that list but Blazers obviously playing well.
Love, Horford are also in that list he hopes he can trade for. Trade deadline will be interesting I think… especially on how Wolves are going as well as Hawks.


Buying out Okafor is less likely than the above situation, althought if Suns cannot find a trade by deadline, there may be a negotiation. But at worst case, Suns keep him on the bench and give him minutes as backup center/PF.
Would love him as a veteran defensive stopper eventually if the Suns keep him… and make a run for Lebron 

Trade: Frye + Morris Brothers for Amir Johnson + Novak


C: Plumlee/Len/Okafor
PF: Amir Johnson/Okafor/Frye
SF: Lebron James / Tucker / Novak
SG: Green/Goodwin/Tucker
PG: Bledsoe/Dragic/Smith


That’s a formidable team!!! hehe
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This is a surreal combination of a horrible trade and an unreal fantasy. I am so glad it was valued at 2 cents.



Relax. There was a cheeky smile in that post that disappeared when I pasted it from my iphone email.
Why so serious all the time...

And I think Lebron is not impossible at all... It's a small chance but there's a chance. Cap space, competitive team, missing a SF to complete it.
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Post#764 » by thamadkant » Fri Dec 13, 2013 8:17 am

DirtyDez wrote:I don't see Green as a longterm piece here despite some hot shooting in November. He doesn't strike me as a guy I want playing in meaningful games with his shot selection and unwillingness to rebound despite being an elite athlete. I'm not really comfortable giving Archie those minutes either, yet, but he's still a big piece going forward. If we were to make a win-now move I'd prefer Hayward or Deng assuming we don't have to give up too much.

That could put Tucker in the 6th man role and really limit Goodwin/Brown's minutes. Hayward could play some minutes at SG need-be and we'd control his rights if that report from Vescey was true.

This is all assuming we're still in the hunt come mid-Feb...




I agree with the Hayward thing... Not sure about Deng, he isn't the play maker Hayward is.


I seriously think Jazz won't match any offers above 12 million, primarily because they are also due to offer Kanter money soon.

That's in the offseason...


Come trade deadline, I think Suns FO will be busy receiving phone calls.
In particular for Dragic, Tucker, Frye, Okafor etc.

Currently they are slotted to get Pick 18, 22 and 30, I don't think it's enough to package with Okafor's expiring for Kevin Love or Al Horford, especially Love anyways. Adding Lakers 2015 pick may improve the appeal but surely Dragic or Tucker will be requested.
Wolves should be worried if they aren't over 0.500 come deadline...
Although they have had a seriously hard schedule so far.

Horford is more attainable, especially if Hawks fall out. Even with a mediocre record they are projected to finish top 6 in the east.


Warriors have struggled without Iguadala... and are one Curry ankle tweak from going on a bit of a losing streak... They were so hyped up at the start but they are so fragile, everything has to be perfect health wise for them to be a legit team. Wouldn't mind trying to pry Barnes... But they'd want Dragic + picks or Bledsoe.
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Post#765 » by Qwigglez » Fri Dec 13, 2013 9:16 am

But with the Hawks having a mediocre record, they aren't any closer to being an actual contender than they were when they made a S&T deal for Joe Johnson. They are currently sitting in third place in the Eastern Conference playoff picture, but that could easily change over the course of the year. They replaced Joe Johnson with nothing (could be considered addition by subtraction with his contract alone), and replaced Josh Smith with Paul Millsap. I just don't see anything more than another first round playoff exit.
I could see them making a deal with the Suns if we took on Kyle Korver's contract. So all in all... Horford + Korver for Okafor, Plumlee, Green, Minny 1st, TWolves 1st. Possibly another pick.
The Suns would have to somehow sign Hayward over the offseason, and then after sign Bledsoe (if it's possible). Maybe Frye opts out to give us more leverage in the free agency market, sign him to a long term deal but it being like Asik's contract where the last year he gets a major pay increase (not Asik & Lin contract high, but just that type of deal).

Dragic/Bledsoe/Hayward/Horford/Len +Morri, Frye, Goodwin, Tucker.
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Post#766 » by Fo-Real » Fri Dec 13, 2013 2:43 pm

I predict that Bron is gonna go back to the Cavs to quote unquote try to make it right. Back to where he started and grew up.
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Post#767 » by jcsunsfan » Fri Dec 13, 2013 3:34 pm

Fo-Real wrote:I predict that Bron is gonna go back to the Cavs to quote unquote try to make it right. Back to where he started and grew up.


If he believes they have the pieces to be successful (including the the right coach), this would be a huge PR career save for LeBron. But if he doesn't think he can win there, he won't go.
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Post#768 » by Safety Pickle » Fri Dec 13, 2013 7:39 pm

jcsunsfan wrote:
Fo-Real wrote:I predict that Bron is gonna go back to the Cavs to quote unquote try to make it right. Back to where he started and grew up.


If he believes they have the pieces to be successful (including the the right coach), this would be a huge PR career save for LeBron. But if he doesn't think he can win there, he won't go.


Thing is, Lebron doesn't even need any PR help anymore. He's one of the most likeable players in the league.
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Post#769 » by BurningHeart » Fri Dec 13, 2013 7:44 pm

Not really. He still flops like a bitch and looks for fouls all the freakin' time. He's acted like a primadonna on and off the court for years now and gone from one of the most likable players in the league to one of the most unlikable.

That said, he's improved in that regard over the last year. Hopefully he keeps improving.
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Post#770 » by jcsunsfan » Fri Dec 13, 2013 9:58 pm

Safety Pickle wrote:
jcsunsfan wrote:
Fo-Real wrote:I predict that Bron is gonna go back to the Cavs to quote unquote try to make it right. Back to where he started and grew up.


If he believes they have the pieces to be successful (including the the right coach), this would be a huge PR career save for LeBron. But if he doesn't think he can win there, he won't go.


Thing is, Lebron doesn't even need any PR help anymore. He's one of the most likeable players in the league.


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Post#771 » by DirtyDez » Fri Dec 13, 2013 10:19 pm

Mega "go for it" trade (not sure if ATL is over the cap but they're close so may not work)

Suns receive - Hayward + Horford
Jazz receive - Green, Wash 1st, Ind 1st
Hawks receive: M-Twins, Min 1st, Lal 1st

Would leave us with our 1st this year...

Bledsoe/Dragic
Dragic, Goodwin
Hayward, Tucker
Horford, Frye
Plumlee, Frye/Len

+ our 1st round rookie somewhere in there

Unfortunately there's this thing called the Luxury Tax. :lol:
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Post#772 » by QuickLikeTheo » Sat Dec 14, 2013 12:26 am

DirtyDez wrote:Mega "go for it" trade (not sure if ATL is over the cap but they're close so may not work)

Suns receive - Hayward + Horford
Jazz receive - Green, Wash 1st, Ind 1st
Hawks receive: M-Twins, Min 1st, Lal 1st

Would leave us with our 1st this year...

Bledsoe/Dragic
Dragic, Goodwin
Hayward, Tucker
Horford, Frye
Plumlee, Frye/Len

+ our 1st round rookie somewhere in there

Unfortunately there's this thing called the Luxury Tax. :lol:

I don't see that team winning a championship anyways...



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Post#773 » by QuickLikeTheo » Sat Dec 14, 2013 12:49 am

I would try and pry MKG from the bobcats. I think he fits our run and gun style. Maybe twolves first will do it. Probably wouldn't go over well AT ALL with their fans but then again who saw Thomas Robinson being on his third team in 2 years


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Post#774 » by DirtyDez » Sat Dec 14, 2013 1:58 am

sunsfan1313 wrote:
DirtyDez wrote:Mega "go for it" trade (not sure if ATL is over the cap but they're close so may not work)

Suns receive - Hayward + Horford
Jazz receive - Green, Wash 1st, Ind 1st
Hawks receive: M-Twins, Min 1st, Lal 1st

Would leave us with our 1st this year...

Bledsoe/Dragic
Dragic, Goodwin
Hayward, Tucker
Horford, Frye
Plumlee, Frye/Len

+ our 1st round rookie somewhere in there

Unfortunately there's this thing called the Luxury Tax. :lol:

I don't see that team winning a championship anyways...


No team on paper wins a championship, but on paper I don't think there's more than 3 better rosters in the league. That's my point.
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Post#775 » by TOO » Sat Dec 14, 2013 2:50 am

Scott Howard Cooper said McD is looking to package picks for impact now.. Hmph. Apologies if this has already been posted, too lazy to scroll through previous pages.
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Post#776 » by Flying Colors » Sat Dec 14, 2013 3:59 am

I wonder how much longer until Love has enough with the wolves, I'm Sure McD has the t wolves on speed dial, ready to get something done
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Post#777 » by Frank Lee » Sat Dec 14, 2013 4:16 am

whoops wrong thread
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Post#778 » by grumpysaddle » Sat Dec 14, 2013 4:54 am

TOO wrote:Scott Howard Cooper said McD is looking to package picks for impact now.. Hmph. Apologies if this has already been posted, too lazy to scroll through previous pages.


Why is that a "Hmph"? The Suns currently have up to 4 picks that would be in the later half of the draft (if the Wizards and TWolves get better and the Suns stay on their current trajectory). The Suns team is super young, and very competitive. They may be one disgruntled star away from being a contender. You definitely don't need 4 picks in one first round.
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Post#779 » by bigfoot » Sat Dec 14, 2013 5:07 am

I just don't see any realistic trades right now that are going to significantly improve the Suns.

Love will not be on the radar so long as the Wolves are close to playoff territory. He has two more years with the Wolves after this season. If they fall out of contention by February I could see them moving Love for lots of picks. But I hate mid-season trades because the receiving team generally loses in the chemistry department.

Really who else could we trade with? Has to be a non-playoff team with a star player. Right now that would be Love, Dirk, Melo. Who else fits the bill? Love would be the only one who I would consider giving away picks. Otherwise wait until next year and try to pick up one as a FA.
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Post#780 » by grumpysaddle » Sat Dec 14, 2013 5:53 am

Just because he is looking it doesn't mean he will pull the trigger. He'll always be looking for something. In McD We Trust, and stuff.
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