Why isn't John Hammond fired?

[randy84]

Best part is he wanted Josh Smith to be our small forward. .

I'd just like to know how many deals involving Ersan that we've turned down the past year. I'm thinking it might turn the boards stomach.

Hammondism: Best time to trade a player is when he has the lowest value.

[wichmae]

Not sure where to put this so Ill just do here...

I know its ESPN and their ratings are **** but according to them we have two of the top 25 players under 25.

18 Giannis Antetokounmpo
AGE: 19DOB: 12/6/94HT: 6-9WT: 205POS: SG
PPG: 5.1APG: 0.9RPG: 3.2 3-YR WARP: 7.4

Elhassan: Antetokounmpo's upside is incredible as a two-way player in this league, but he has a ton of development to do, both physically and in terms of his skills. He does a great job at getting out in transition and finishing with his length, but he still struggles shooting the ball. Defensively, he has great instincts and his length allows him to disrupt passing lanes and contest shots.

Thorpe: To be an elite wing scorer, Antetokounmpo must develop into an excellent ball-handler in half-court sets. Being able to shake good defenders with a dribble move would be the goal, but even just to be able to play effectively in ball-screen action would be good enough.

Pelton: It's too early for Antetokounmpo's statistics to tell us much, but based on similar players, he's most likely to emerge as a full-time starter in 2016-17 at age 22.

25 John Henson
AGE: 22DOB: 12/28/90HT: 6-11WT: 220POS: PF
PPG: 11.3RPG: 7.0BPG: 2.1 3-YR WARP: 20.1

Elhassan: Henson has benefited from Larry Sanders' early-season injuries, seeing his minutes double, and he has responded as a result, bringing rebounding and energy to the floor. He's a good finisher and has a decent touch around the rim. Defensively, his length and activity allow him to protect the rim and force opponents to alter their shot attempts.

Thorpe: Henson is not a shooter or a post scorer -- yet -- and if he can focus on improving either that would be a great start. In the post he is too methodical and upright; getting lower and using his surprising quickness can help him beat his defenders for an easier and closer look at the rim. As a shooter, starting his shot with the ball higher can help.

Pelton: Because he relies more on activity than skill, Henson is unlikely to improve much on this year's 19.5 PER. That's OK as long as he fills in the gaps in his game.

[cinematographer]

How is Giannis supposed to develop his handles if Drew won't let him be the handler in the pick and roll?

I'm not even asking for ISOs. Just give him the **** ball.

[wichmae]

Entire list

1Anthony Davis
2Paul George
3Andre Drummond
4James Harden
5John Wall
6Blake Griffin
7Kyrie Irving
8Damian Lillard
9DeMarcus Cousins
10Derrick Favors
11Eric Bledsoe
12Serge Ibaka
13Greg Monroe
14Kawhi Leonard
15Michael Carter-Williams
16Nicolas Batum
17Harrison Barnes
18Giannis Antetokounmpo
19Gordon Hayward
20Jrue Holiday
21Klay Thompson
22Nikola Vucevic
23Ricky Rubio
24Jonas Valanciunas
25 John Henson

Some of these ratings astound me

[cinematographer]

1Anthony Davis -- no arguments here
2Paul George -- ditto
3Andre Drummond -- 50/50
4James Harden -- this or 3rd
5John Wall -- Would rather have Kawhi
6Blake Griffin -- I think he's a product of Chris Paul, and the second his athleticism slips, he's in for bad times
7Kyrie Irving -- that defense is a real concern, and his offensive game could be regressing (or his earlier success wasn't sustainable), but the rating is about right.
8Damian Lillard -- higher.
9DeMarcus Cousins -- centers have to play defense. he doesn't.
10Derrick Favors -- would rather have Sanders
11Eric Bledsoe -- rather have him than Wall
12Serge Ibaka -- I'd trust Henson being able to play post defense on legitimate centers in the future more than I'd trust him substantially improving.
13Greg Monroe -- pass. wrong era for him
14Kawhi Leonard -- Way too underrated
15Michael Carter-Williams -- no arguments here
16Nicolas Batum -- might be too low
17Harrison Barnes -- needs a jumper
18Giannis Antetokounmpo -- top-10, without question, possibly 6th behind Kawhi
19Gordon Hayward -- too low, if only because his ceiling is very high
20Jrue Holiday -- no arguments here
21Klay Thompson -- why he's listed below Monroe?
22Nikola Vucevic -- if only he could develop into a rim protector
23Ricky Rubio -- his deficiencies can be hidden in the right lineup. Too low.
24Jonas Valanciunas -- > Ibaka and Monroe
25 John Henson -- rim protection and lack of rim protection are far too underrated on this list

[Wooderson]

Spoiler:

1Anthony Davis -- no arguments here
2Paul George -- ditto
3Andre Drummond -- 50/50
4James Harden -- this or 3rd
5John Wall -- Would rather have Kawhi
6Blake Griffin -- I think he's a product of Chris Paul, and the second his athleticism slips, he's in for bad times
7Kyrie Irving -- that defense is a real concern, and his offensive game could be regressing (or his earlier success wasn't sustainable), but the rating is about right.
8Damian Lillard -- higher.
9DeMarcus Cousins -- centers have to play defense. he doesn't.
10Derrick Favors -- would rather have Sanders
11Eric Bledsoe -- rather have him than Wall
12Serge Ibaka -- I'd trust Henson being able to play post defense on legitimate centers in the future more than I'd trust him substantially improving.
13Greg Monroe -- pass. wrong era for him
14Kawhi Leonard -- Way too underrated
15Michael Carter-Williams -- no arguments here
16Nicolas Batum -- might be too low
17Harrison Barnes -- needs a jumper
18Giannis Antetokounmpo -- top-10, without question, possibly 6th behind Kawhi
19Gordon Hayward -- too low, if only because his ceiling is very high
20Jrue Holiday -- no arguments here
21Klay Thompson -- why he's listed below Monroe?
22Nikola Vucevic -- if only he could develop into a rim protector
23Ricky Rubio -- his deficiencies can be hidden in the right lineup. Too low.
24Jonas Valanciunas -- > Ibaka and Monroe
25 John Henson -- rim protection and lack of rim protection are far too underrated on this list

I agree with some of what you're saying, but I think the problem with BSPN's list is that it really doesn't seem to weight potential vs. current performance with any consistency.

I also think you're underrating Ibaka's defense and overrating Henson's a tad. Ibaka isn't a center so why would you need to trust him guarding them? He's a very good man and help defender though and has led a consistently great OKC D. It's not like Henson has proven he has that capability although he's certainly shown great potential in that regard.

[Baddy Chuck]

Davis, George, Drummond, Harden, Irving, Griffin, Wall, Cousins, Bledsoe and Ibaka would all be in my top 10 with Lillard just outside at 11. Don't really know how the next 14 would look and it would take way too much time with way too much variation on potential vs production but I do know Beal would certainly be top 25.

[emunney]

So the anti-Hammond crowd should be able to admit that Hammond does draft well, and the pro-Hammond crowd should be able to admit that he minimizes that strength by trading back in the draft and trading away recently drafted players.

If someone was able to just make a rule for Hammond that he can no longer sign any FAs, and he can no longer make any trades that don't strengthen our position in the draft, I think we'd be pretty well off right now. But in reality, with all the things that have really happened, he should be fired, probably out of a cannon.

[linguini8]

And he liked Henson so much that he'd trade him for 2 months of Josh Smith.

Henson was never going out in that deal. Moute and Udoh plus maybe our first, but that was not in stone. BuckPack can reconfirm the names.

The Bucks were trying to give away Henson and the Hawks wanted our first round pick instead. They pulled out 2 minutes before the deadline.