GT: Cats @ Pacers Fri Dec 13 7PM EST

[Liver_Pooty]

Biz recap for a dynasty league owner, pretty please? His stats say he deserves more minutes. He played well at the begnning of the year. How'd he play??

Keep him as long as you can. He is still raw, but under another year or two of tutelage from Jefferson and he could turn out to be a monster. He won't get many minutes as long as Jefferson is healthy, but hes still just a baby.

Edit: He is very frustrating to watch at times, though.

[HornetJail]

Biz recap for a dynasty league owner, pretty please? His stats say he deserves more minutes. He played well at the begnning of the year. How'd he play??

Wish he was getting more minutes. He'd average 10 rebounds easy.

[Eoghan]

No one on the roster really shoots that well though. I don't know if Lamar can stat this up but it seems to me our offense plays a big part in our players' shooting woes. We don't get particularly good looks that often b/c the spacing is terrible, our best scorer is Al Jefferson who can be a ball stopper (sometimes justified, sadly) and our pace is really slow which can make it difficult to get in a good rhythm and reduces fastbreak opportunities.


You live by the grind, you die by the grind.

[Liver_Pooty]

Biz recap for a dynasty league owner, pretty please? His stats say he deserves more minutes. He played well at the begnning of the year. How'd he play??

Wish he was getting more minutes. He'd average 10 rebounds easy.

Jefferson, not Ewing or any coach will make him reach his potential. Look what Jefferson did for Kanter. Kanter credits Jefferson for making him what he is. Jefferson is a below average defender, and looks like a 50 year old at times jogging down the court, but he is a really good role model for Biyombo and Zeller.

Edit: And if signing Jefferson for 13 mill a year is what it takes to get Biyombo to where he needs to be on top of being a really productive center than Im all for it.

[JDR720]

Biz recap for a dynasty league owner, pretty please? His stats say he deserves more minutes. He played well at the begnning of the year. How'd he play??

Wish he was getting more minutes. He'd average 10 rebounds easy.

Jefferson, not Ewing or any coach will make him reach his potential. Look what Jefferson did for Kanter. Kanter credits Jefferson for making him what he is. Jefferson is a below average defender, and looks like a 50 year old at times jogging down the court, but he is a really good role model for Biyombo and Zeller.

Edit: And if signing Jefferson for 13 mill a year is what it takes to get Biyombo to where he needs to be on top of being a really productive center than Im all for it.

paying Al 13million to teach Biz and Zeller is worth it, should help them a lot

[Liver_Pooty]

Wish he was getting more minutes. He'd average 10 rebounds easy.

Jefferson, not Ewing or any coach will make him reach his potential. Look what Jefferson did for Kanter. Kanter credits Jefferson for making him what he is. Jefferson is a below average defender, and looks like a 50 year old at times jogging down the court, but he is a really good role model for Biyombo and Zeller.

Edit: And if signing Jefferson for 13 mill a year is what it takes to get Biyombo to where he needs to be on top of being a really productive center than Im all for it.

paying Al 13million to teach Biz and Zeller is worth it, should help them a lot

Well, paying 13 million to teach anyone is not worth it, but from what Jefferson brings on the court on top of going out of his way to help the young bloods? That is priceless.

[JDR720]

Jefferson, not Ewing or any coach will make him reach his potential. Look what Jefferson did for Kanter. Kanter credits Jefferson for making him what he is. Jefferson is a below average defender, and looks like a 50 year old at times jogging down the court, but he is a really good role model for Biyombo and Zeller.

Edit: And if signing Jefferson for 13 mill a year is what it takes to get Biyombo to where he needs to be on top of being a really productive center than Im all for it.

paying Al 13million to teach Biz and Zeller is worth it, should help them a lot

Well, paying 13 million to teach anyone is not worth it, but from what Jefferson brings on the court on top of going out of his way to help the young bloods? That is priceless.

he might have a career as a big man coach in his future when he retires

[Liver_Pooty]

paying Al 13million to teach Biz and Zeller is worth it, should help them a lot

Well, paying 13 million to teach anyone is not worth it, but from what Jefferson brings on the court on top of going out of his way to help the young bloods? That is priceless.

he might have a career as a big man coach in his future when he retires

I think he would be a great coach. He is a really good guy and communicates well with players. If you notice during games you can even see opposing players coming up to him and having a laugh. His offensive post moves are no joke. I hope he makes an all star team with us during his tenure here. It would be ridiculous if a guy with his offensive game goes his entire career without an all star appearance because he cant jump above the rim or slam it down like a monster.

[ball teacher]

The guys played very well, I really think this is a playoff team that has tough defense, and alot of depth with Sessions and the guys on the pine like Biyombo, Zellers and even with a active and positive BG shooting the ball.

I see some guys are talking about Kemba's shot, and I know Fats mentions his shooting off balance occasionally. I think Kemba is forced to shoot off balance because he has to use so much speed to get by the defender when the screen is set and he has to get the shot off so fast before the help defender comes that this is why he ends up shooting off balances or while floating at a angle.

Kemba really isnt 6ft tall, so being the small player he is, he really wont be able to get a true set shot off while coming off the screen at a slower speed. The quickness is his really only advantage, so he has to use it to be effective. I would just advise him to gauge his shooting touch, if he's hot, shoot away, if not, be the PG your supposed to be. We have the talent where he shouldnt feel he has to carry the burden offensively.

[Marvel]

but he shouldn't keep taking all those bad shots he takes no matter who the coach is

Clifford so worried about defense, he might want to consider talking to Kemba about that. He should be banned from taking another contested midrange jumper until he have a 10 assist game

The thing is that hes completely open when he takes most of those mid range jumpers. He just misses them for some odd reason. He could be a slightly poor mans Westbrook (without the insane athleticism) if he could just hit those shots. Westbrook lives off of those mid range shots.

Westbrook Is also deadly attacking the basket. That's the difference. And, Westbrook is a better passer

[Marvel]

I'm seriously starting to trip out on Kemba. All his bball career he's been inefficient, labelled as a scoring guard in the 6th man type role. I'm starting to think that's true and that his place in the NBA is a 6th man in a Jason Terry type role. That's not a bad thing, but his inefficiency is really starting to catch on to him.

[Nuntius]

Clifford said it's his fault for not having better post defense schemes.

Wow, did he really say that? If yes then he is an even better coach than I thought.

Pacers fan here, by the way, coming in peace. You have a really nice team this year, guys. Your defense is certainly legit. You are also the only Eastern team so far that has challenged both Indiana and Miami so much in their own court. You have to be proud about that.

I see a lot of potential in your team. If the Knicks and Nets fail to get it going then you can even challenge for HCA in the first round. You will definitely make the playoffs, imo.

You played a great game tonight. Props for that

[HornetJail]

Clifford said it's his fault for not having better post defense schemes.

Wow, did he really say that? If yes then he is an even better coach than I thought.

Pacers fan here, by the way, coming in peace. You have a really nice team this year, guys. Your defense is certainly legit. You are also the only Eastern team so far that has challenged both Indiana and Miami so much in their own court. You have to be proud about that.

I see a lot of potential in your team. If the Knicks and Nets fail to get it going then you can even challenge for HCA in the first round. You will definitely make the playoffs, imo.

You played a great game tonight. Props for that

Thanks, it's just our offense that needs refining/overhauling and the majority of that will be fixed once we get a legit offensive wing player like Klay Thompson, or hell, Kyle Korver would do the trick. 75% of our offensive issues just come from defenses just being able to collapse on us because Josh McRoberts is probably our best three point shooter right now.

[thruthefire]

Clifford said it's his fault for not having better post defense schemes.

Wow, did he really say that? If yes then he is an even better coach than I thought.

I feel like he just didn't want to put the blame on McBob or anyone else. Keep the team upbeat.

[Nuntius]

Clifford said it's his fault for not having better post defense schemes.

Wow, did he really say that? If yes then he is an even better coach than I thought.

Pacers fan here, by the way, coming in peace. You have a really nice team this year, guys. Your defense is certainly legit. You are also the only Eastern team so far that has challenged both Indiana and Miami so much in their own court. You have to be proud about that.

I see a lot of potential in your team. If the Knicks and Nets fail to get it going then you can even challenge for HCA in the first round. You will definitely make the playoffs, imo.

You played a great game tonight. Props for that

Thanks, it's just our offense that needs refining/overhauling and the majority of that will be fixed once we get a legit offensive wing player like Klay Thompson, or hell, Kyle Korver would do the trick. 75% of our offensive issues just come from defenses just being able to collapse on us because Josh McRoberts is probably our best three point shooter right now.

Agreed. The lack of 3 point shooting is killing your offensive flow. Prior to this game, you were shooting 29.5% from 3 as a team which is the same percentage that you shot in the 7 win season (which is the lowest percentage since 2003-2004). Anthony Tolliver is shooting well but he doesn't get a lot of minutes as far as I know.

You do have capspace next summer, right? If yes, then you could entice a good piece. If you find 1-2 good shooters and maybe an extra post player or shot creator then you could make some noise in the playoffs, imo.

[Nuntius]

Clifford said it's his fault for not having better post defense schemes.

Wow, did he really say that? If yes then he is an even better coach than I thought.

I feel like he just didn't want to put the blame on McBob or anyone else. Keep the team upbeat.

And that's the sign of a good coach. A good coach wouldn't throw his players under the bus. He would rather blame himself and his schemes.

Besides, David West is a pretty hard player to guard. He is really strong, he is savvy and he has a great jumper. You can counter him by fronting the post or doubling him on the catch since he can be a bit turnover prone at times but I really didn't expect McRoberts or Zeller (mainly because he's a rookie) to handle him 1-on-1 in the post.

[HornetJail]

Wow, did he really say that? If yes then he is an even better coach than I thought.

Pacers fan here, by the way, coming in peace. You have a really nice team this year, guys. Your defense is certainly legit. You are also the only Eastern team so far that has challenged both Indiana and Miami so much in their own court. You have to be proud about that.

I see a lot of potential in your team. If the Knicks and Nets fail to get it going then you can even challenge for HCA in the first round. You will definitely make the playoffs, imo.

You played a great game tonight. Props for that

Thanks, it's just our offense that needs refining/overhauling and the majority of that will be fixed once we get a legit offensive wing player like Klay Thompson, or hell, Kyle Korver would do the trick. 75% of our offensive issues just come from defenses just being able to collapse on us because Josh McRoberts is probably our best three point shooter right now.

Agreed. The lack of 3 point shooting is killing your offensive flow. Prior to this game, you were shooting 29.5% from 3 as a team which is the same percentage that you shot in the 7 win season (which is the lowest percentage since 2003-2004). Anthony Tolliver is shooting well but he doesn't get a lot of minutes as far as I know.

You do have capspace next summer, right? If yes, then you could entice a good piece. If you find 1-2 good shooters and maybe an extra post player or shot creator then you could make some noise in the playoffs, imo.

Plenty of cap space- Gordon expires (thank god for that)- but I think we mainly look to trade our assets (own picks from Detroit, Portland, our own if we suck enough, Zeller, Taylor, Sessions, Henderson, and our cap space are all solid assets for the right team) for that really good scoring wing.

Or of course, we just focus on trying to get good scorers of tanking teams by dangling one pick.

[Nuntius]

Thanks, it's just our offense that needs refining/overhauling and the majority of that will be fixed once we get a legit offensive wing player like Klay Thompson, or hell, Kyle Korver would do the trick. 75% of our offensive issues just come from defenses just being able to collapse on us because Josh McRoberts is probably our best three point shooter right now.

Agreed. The lack of 3 point shooting is killing your offensive flow. Prior to this game, you were shooting 29.5% from 3 as a team which is the same percentage that you shot in the 7 win season (which is the lowest percentage since 2003-2004). Anthony Tolliver is shooting well but he doesn't get a lot of minutes as far as I know.

You do have capspace next summer, right? If yes, then you could entice a good piece. If you find 1-2 good shooters and maybe an extra post player or shot creator then you could make some noise in the playoffs, imo.

Plenty of cap space- Gordon expires (thank god for that)- but I think we mainly look to trade our assets (own picks from Detroit, Portland, our own if we suck enough, Zeller, Taylor, Sessions, Henderson, and our cap space are all solid assets for the right team) for that really good scoring wing.

Or of course, we just focus on trying to get good scorers of tanking teams by dangling one pick.

Yeah, you have options. For example, Klay Thompson was mentioned earlier and I'm pretty sure that he would turn the Bobcats into a playoff team that can make a deep run.

[mrknowitall215]

Pacers complimentary of Bobcats culture + effort last night

Frank Vogel on Bobcats: "We had a really good win against a really good team that we have a lot of respect for. They just made shots. I don't think our defense was anything different. They are growing as a basketball team. They came out of the gates where their defense was ahead of their offense. They made great defensive plays because they are a great defensive team."

"They're well coached. You see great coaching when you study a team on tape. You look at their defensive rankings and you don't become 2nd in the league in transition defense if you're not taught and held accountable to running back and matching up and getting the job done. You don't hold teams to one shot if you're not drilled on hitting people on every shot, gang rebounding, and working together. Defense is a 5-man cohesiveness and when you study their defense every time separation come from one offensive player there's someone in position to help whether that's on the ball or sticking to one man at the top of the key. They're just tied together. You can just see the discipline that goes into sound fundamental defense every time you watch them play."

David West on Bobcats: "They're a tough basketball team to play against. They play teams tough. I understand right now that they are a playoff team. We knew internally that this wasn't going to be a easy game. I think some people just see the Bobcats and automatically think it's going to be a blowout. The way we played had a lot to do with how they played and bothered us. So you got to give them credit.

"We know that they are capable of scoring the basketball. Their record doesn't reflect the type of basketball team they are becoming. So we didn't take them lightly. We knew this was going to be a hard and tough game. They've improved from when we saw them a couple weeks ago in Charlotte. So we wasn't underestimating this group. They got guys that can score the basketball and obviously they got a big guy they can play through. Al is a load down there in that post. He's one of the best post players in terms of scoring the NBA."

"They played through the post a little bit more. Kidd-Gilchrist is out. So Henderson is on the floor, he can shoot it. Gordon can shoot it. The other kid Taylor is a perimeter threat. Kidd-Gilchrist just doesn't have that to his game yet. So we had to stretch it out a little bit more and we just weren't able to contain them on some of those cuts."

"They are improving. They are changing their rotations. They have a good mix in terms of their ability with guys that can handle the ball and make plays on the perimeter and then having a big guy that can actually make baskets. So they are improving."

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