Why isn't Mike D'Antoni playing Jordan Hill?

Bluejay · Post #1 » by **Bluejay** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:42 pm

Jordan Hill has the highest Winshare/48 (among 100+ MP) this year for the Lakers but D'Antoni continues to have Robert Sacre/Shawne WIlliams in a timeshare with him.

2013-2014 WS/48
1.Jordan HIll WS/48 0.176
2.Pau Gasol WS/48 0.30
3.Shawne WIlliams WS/48 0.70
4.Chris Kamar WS/48 0.04

Hill is averaging 21.6 MPG this year in that timeshare. Why isn't he getting 30+ min burn per game and please don't use his ankles as an excuse. Is D'Antoni really petty enough not to play him because he simply doesn't like him?

Post #2 » by **Slava** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:56 pm

Looking at Jordan Hill's per 48 and per 36 numbers is like using a butcher knife to chop a tree. There's enough to keep you going but in the end its not good enough.

ennui · Post #3 » by **ennui** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 8:02 pm

yea, Jordan hill is a perfect example of the flaws of per 36/48

his aggressive and energetic playstyle is alleviated by playing limited minutes, id posit.

nevertheless he should be getting around 30 min a game, but we all know dantoni has qualms about playing an orthodox, non-stretch 4 regardless of the positive contributions a player in said role can have.

Atlas · Post #4 » by **Atlas** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 8:03 pm

I feel like we're running into the same problem as Clippers had last year w/ their guards. We have too many similar-level players sharing the same position who all need minutes for their egos. There's just not enough minutes to go around.

Bluejay · Post #5 » by **Bluejay** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 8:11 pm

P/36 # for the this and last year

2012-2013
15.2 PPG
13.0 REB (6.4 ORB/6.6 DRB)
1 AST
0.6 STL
1.5 BLK
2 TOV
50% FG/65 % FT

2013-2014
15.0
14.2 (5.4 ORB/8.8 DRB)
1.8 AST
0.6 STL
1.8 BLK
1.9 TOV
54% FG/67% FT

That's not good enough to garner 30+ MPG?

LApwnd · Post #6 » by **LApwnd** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 8:23 pm

I hate per 36/48 too but Hill shouldnt play 30mpg, he was slowing down big time after he became a starter. Jordan is your typical all out energy guy but yes he does need more minutes for sure though.

Post #7 » by **crazyeights** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 8:29 pm

Are you watching the games or just looking at stats? Hill was gassed after playing his first big minutes ever. It happens to essentially every player in the league their first time.

MDA is keeping him fresh so he can provide energy minutes. He should be relied on as a 3rd big, not a 1st. We need some production from Pau.

Dr Aki · Post #8 » by **Dr Aki** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 9:55 pm

yep. hill is clearly getting gassed.

he's good in short spells and his effectiveness decreases in diminishing returns

notinbtnet · Post #9 » by **notinbtnet** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:01 pm

Hill is a perfect 20 - 25 min 3rd big. On the days when he is feeling it an has energy, you give him around 25-30 min. On the days when hes sluggish and not as energetic, you give him 15-20. He can't sustain production over the course of extended playing time. Additionally, whenever he gets too much playing time, he tends to break down and get hurt. In this instance, the 36/48 metric doesn't account fully to what the eyeballs tell you.

Post #10 » by **dockingsched** » Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:12 am

his body is already breaking down and his energy/activity was already down big time compared to when he started playing starter minutes.

unfortunately its what most people predicted would happen with hill when conversations during the summer centered on hill having a bigger role.

Anklebreaker702 · Post #11 » by **Anklebreaker702** » Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:47 am

dockingsched wrote:his body is already breaking down and his energy/activity was already down big time compared to when he started playing starter minutes.

unfortunately its what most people predicted would happen with hill when conversations during the summer centered on hill having a bigger role.

This is what everyone is saying but how can this be justified when Pau is ran out there time after time giving us absolutely nothing.

what would jack bauer do? · Post #12 » by **what would jack bauer do?** » Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:50 am

I would've loved to see a Hill/Earl Clark combo at the 4... but with the way Clark is being used in Cleveland we could probably swing that deal by dec 15th

Odom/Hill would be a pretty good combo too.

Post #13 » by **dockingsched** » Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:58 am

Anklebreaker702 wrote:
dockingsched wrote:his body is already breaking down and his energy/activity was already down big time compared to when he started playing starter minutes.

unfortunately its what most people predicted would happen with hill when conversations during the summer centered on hill having a bigger role.

This is what everyone is saying but how can this be justified when Pau is ran out there time after time giving us absolutely nothing.

pau deserves much much more room for error than jordan hill. can't in any way blame MDA for giving pau every possible opportunity to get his act together.

Tee212 · Post #14 » by **Tee212** » Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:33 am

if you actually watched hill during his ups and downs, hes actually breaking down with the mins including the recent ankle sprain. he plays better vs the opponent bench and great if you save him for the fourth to close out games. creating a thread like this means you havent watched him from preseason to now

Anklebreaker702 · Post #15 » by **Anklebreaker702** » Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:10 am

dockingsched wrote:
Anklebreaker702 wrote:
dockingsched wrote:his body is already breaking down and his energy/activity was already down big time compared to when he started playing starter minutes.

unfortunately its what most people predicted would happen with hill when conversations during the summer centered on hill having a bigger role.

This is what everyone is saying but how can this be justified when Pau is ran out there time after time giving us absolutely nothing.

pau deserves much much more room for error than jordan hill. can't in any way blame MDA for giving pau every possible opportunity to get his act together.

Man i'm tired of that same old sad song. You said yourself Pau is hurt. So sit him more to get him healthy. Why is that rocket science for some? You guys still hang on to the 2010 Pau. He's gone at least for now so stop running him out there

anarchy24 · Post #16 » by **anarchy24** » Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:19 am

He does looks gassed after his string of great games. And IIRC, he had an injury too. Limiting his minutes is the best option to go.

leeprettyp · Post #17 » by **leeprettyp** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 4:17 pm

Because he plays defense, attempts to protect the rim and rebounds. Doesnt make sense to finish games with that guy over Pau who does the opposite. Lets just continue to make up more and more excuses

Jajwanda · Post #18 » by **Jajwanda** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:05 pm

He looks great as a backup C. He doesn't as a PF. Why change that?

Bluejay · Post #19 » by **Bluejay** » Sat Dec 14, 2013 2:11 am

5 mil in first 2Q. Lakers getting their **** pushed in with him out.

Jajwanda · Post #20 » by **Jajwanda** » Sat Dec 14, 2013 6:48 am

Ya I just don't think you can play spread basketball against a large team like this unless you have an absolute defensive rock like Dwight out there or LeBron doing everything to save you on the defensive end. They were at their best when they played a real half-court offense and skipped the ineffective screen and roll. That's exactly how it was at the end of the year last year when they went on their run.

D'Antoni needs to come to an understanding that the first unit has to play a half court slow game unless the opportunity to push is a reasonable one.

Let the second unit play SSOL basketball with Sacre as their C, Williams as their PF, and Farmar as their leader.