Official Suns Free Agent/Trade/Transaction Thread

[thamadkant]

And all of a sudden Harrison Barnes is back on the radar.

I recall earlier trade proposals that included Barnes for Dragic and that was not liked by some fans here, oh well.


But I think Hayward and Barnes are on McD's short list of SFs, and when I say short list, I mean top 3.


Warriors and Suns are competing for playoff spot and on the same conference and division.... Had the suns be in the bottom 5 of NBA teams not being a threath to the Warriors, the warriors would be more accommodating...

[DirtyDez]

I'd give up two-1st's for Hayward if they take a few mil back like Gerald Green or Marcus Morris. Tucker off the bench would be pretty filthy. Bledsoe or Dragic will be on the court at all times plus Hayward can play some SG so both Hayward/Tucker can play together with good spacing IMO.

Bledsoe/Dragic
Dragic/Hayward/Goodwin
Hayward/Tucker
Frye/Kieff
Plumlee/Frye/Len

I'm keeping that Lakers pick though...

[carey]

Being athletic is so important to our success with our system. Look at the slow players from last season. I love Love but don't get rid of the players that got us here.

Love is definitely as athletic as Markieff. Not sure why you think he's slow. Plus he's a monster rebounder which would be amazing on a fast break team like ours.

[thamadkant]

Love is a big upgrade... But he's not athletic. I rather stay put. The reason why we're winning is because everyone on our roster is quick minus Frye. Yes, he'll be replacing Frye's position and you may think it evens out but it doesn't...

If we are ONLY giving up draft picks, do it.
If we start giving up draft picks AND players, no thanks.

We lose a couple of our players and our team can go downhill. I'm okay with Frye, Len, Tucker, and Green leaving. Everybody else has to stay. Without Morris twins, don't know if we'll have a complete team with no bench.

Being athletic is so important to our success with our system. Look at the slow players from last season. I love Love but don't get rid of the players that got us here.


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Love is athletic ...

The guy's reaction time is elite, to be able to beat quicker and bigger players for rebounds is an indication of how quick he reacts. He also jumps quick, he doesn't have high verticals but he jumps quick.
He also scores 20+ points a game from out backs and 3pters... Showing great reaction time.

[gaspar]

And all of a sudden Harrison Barnes is back on the radar.

I recall earlier trade proposals that included Barnes for Dragic and that was not liked by some fans here, oh well.


But I think Hayward and Barnes are on McD's short list of SFs, and when I say short list, I mean top 3.


Warriors and Suns are competing for playoff spot and on the same conference and division.... Had the suns be in the bottom 5 of NBA teams not being a threath to the Warriors, the warriors would be more accommodating...

I'm not sold on Barnes. IMO Hayward has a much higher ceiling than Harrison. Barnes is a poor ball handler and can't really create his own shot. He's still very young and can develop, but I don't think Barnes will be anything more than a solid starter.

[Safety Pickle]

From all indications, the Suns are willing to give the farm up for Kevin Love. Yes, that even includes our 1st round pick. Hayward is their second option.

As a Suns fan, what are you willing to give up for Kevin Love? ( No Dragic, Bledsoe , Goodwin, or Plumlee)

I noticed you put Plumlee as an untouchable and not Len. So the FO sees Plum as our future C and not Len?

[MrMiyagi]

From all indications, the Suns are willing to give the farm up for Kevin Love. Yes, that even includes our 1st round pick. Hayward is their second option.

As a Suns fan, what are you willing to give up for Kevin Love? ( No Dragic, Bledsoe , Goodwin, or Plumlee)

I noticed you put Plumlee as an untouchable and not Len. So the FO sees Plum as our future C and not Len?

Well seeing as Plumlee is playing, quite well, at the moment and Len is still an unknown, I'd put Plumlee on the untouchable list too.

[LukasBMW]

Dragic and Beldsoe should be untouchable. We have one of the best backcourts in the league. Dragic is starting to look more and more like a left handed Steve Nash and Blesdoe's ceiling is ridiculously high.

I'd really like to keep the Morris twins, and Plumlee, but if we have a chance to get a perennial all star player to come play the 4 or 5 for us, then these guys become expendable. Their minutes would be drastically cut with a star player taking their spots anyway.

I DO NOT want Gordon Hayward. I want a legit 4 or 5.

[NapoleonII]

I don't get the Gordon Hayward love either.

He's the 3rd option at best on a playoff team. I think Horny is too easily enamored by his all-around game, the solid shooting and decision making because it reminds him of himself.

But look at what happened to Horny, we traded him for Barkley.


A Plumlee/Love frontline would be better than Aldridge/Lopez.

[QuickLikeTheo]

I think Love is out of the question. I'd give up every asset we have not including Bledsoe, Dragic, Len, and Goodwin to get him, but they would want two of those guys including all our draft picks.
Harrison Barnes is a more realistic trade target and I think he would be an ideal fit with the Suns athleticism and style of play. The Warriors simply won't be able to afford him when the time comes because Klay Thompson will need a contract extension, they might keep Bogut under a better deal too.
Anyway, I think a deal surrounding Channing Frye, Gerald Green and I might even go 3 1st round picks for Harrison Barnes. Frye and Green fit the mold for the Warriors, and they need a stretch 4.
Then during the offseason, the No 1 priority is locking up Bledsoe, but then I'd look at Greg Monroe for our PF position, and at the very worst, possibly Pau Gasol if Monroe gets snatched up. If we have any extra money I'd like to get Shawn Marion back, but I'm not sure how he'd like a sixth man role.

PG: Bledsoe/Goodwin
SG: Dragic/Tucker
SF: Barnes/Morris
PF: Monroe/Morris
C: Len/Plumlee

That's an exciting young team right there.

Monroe doesn't fit with us he doesn't have three point range and he's slow.


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[MrMiyagi]

I don't get the Gordon Hayward love either.

He's the 3rd option at best on a playoff team. I think Horny is too easily enamored by his all-around game, the solid shooting and decision making because it reminds him of himself.

But look at what happened to Horny, we traded him for Barkley.


A Plumlee/Love frontline would be better than Aldridge/Lopez.

I think we're trying to swing for Hayward and Love. I think those guys running alongside Bledsoe Dragic and Plumlee would be a terrific starting 5. Utah is looking like a frontrunner for Jabari/Wiggins so they won't have a need for Hayward. Not sure why Minny trades Love, but if he's available (even if he's not) go for it. Wait on Hayward until/if we get Love.

[ray ray]

From all indications, the Suns are willing to give the farm up for Kevin Love. Yes, that even includes our 1st round pick. Hayward is their second option.

As a Suns fan, what are you willing to give up for Kevin Love? ( No Dragic, Bledsoe , Goodwin, or Plumlee)

What indications?

Ray-ray has been vetted.

Just remember, with all "inside information" Just because we are looking or want to do something, doesnt mean that we actually will. The trade process is a fluid one and can change at the drop of a hat.

With that being said, im sure half the teams in the league would give up the farm for Love. Its just does the Wolves think its time to blow it up again and try to start over? I mean they lucked out once in the draft and got Love, can they get lucky again and score someone on Loves level in this draft? And do we even have the talent to get Love and keep him (without screwing our team in the long run). Do we have a good enough package to beat out other teams that want him? You can bet that if we do get into trade talks with them, they will call other teams as well and see if there is a better deal out there to be made.

Personally, i would say that Bledsoe would be a deal breaker for me. And with me taking him off my table, i dont think we have the parts for a straight trade )a 3-way might be different). Unless they plan to use Dragic as a SG, i dont see them wanting him to replace Rubio. I see people putting Plumlee in there like he is some big prize to be had, but they just re-inked Pekovic to a big contract, and he is currently twice the player that Miles is. They have no real SF, but neither do we, so we cant help them there.

Only way i see us getting Love is in some kind of 3-way trade.

Now i could definitely see us nabbing Hayward for the right price. Utah is not making the playoffs this season and will be focusing their attention towards the draft in the upcoming months. Kanter has been an utter fail for them this season and has fallen out of the starting 5, losing his spot to Marvin FREAKIN' Williams. I would approach Utah with a 3-way deal.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kbypsdz

UTH gets Jimmer/IND 1st/MIN 1st
SAC gets Tucker
PHX gets Hayward

Utah gets a fan favorite that also plays a position of need (PG) and 2 1st round picks.

Sacramento doesnt have a need for Jimmer, but definitely could use Tuckers defense and hustle coming off the bench.

We get Hayward.

Now im not a big Hayward fan, but this is something that i could see us doing. I also dont like trading Tuck, but Hayward is an improvement and you have to give to get.

Bledsoe/Dragic/Hayward/Frye/Plumlee

Exactly, just because the Suns FO have targeted a couple of players doesn't mean it's going to happen. It takes two and even sometime three to tangle. The Suns have somewhat changed their mentality and might swing for the fences as they say. One thing is for sure, McD is not going to sacrifice assets for bad contracts or semi good players.

[McD for MVP]

Let's assume Bledsoe get the max, which I expect he does.

That's 4 years 59 million if Iam not mistaken. 14.75 a year. Next year, we would be at about 48 million (don't feel like doing the math for the exact numbers) plus if Tucker rejects the QO which he probably will then maybe you can add a few mill to that number.

In the 2015-2016 season Goran Dragic will have a player option for 7.5 million. I would bet that he opts out to get paid. While it is possible he doesn't, it would be a dumb gamble to assume so. Let's just say we sign him for 11 mill (it is very difficult to say, however) and ink Frye for 2.5 million a year.

In that hypothetical situation, our 2015-2016 salary minus the Morris twins would be about 37.5 million + whatever we pay Tucker.

So if we added Love to that roster, we would be below the salary cap.

So I think that either this year or next, we should offer the Wolves a massive package for Love. Twins + Green and just about as many draft picks as they ask for. We have our 2014 1st, Min 1st, Was 1st, IND 1st, and 2015 LAL 1st (Minny would demand this, and I would do it) and filler salaries could be added if necessary.

Bledsoe/Dragic
Dragic/Goodwin
Tucker/?
Love/Frye
Len/Plumlee

This team can absolutely be legit championship contenders NOW, because the pieces fit very well together. And not only that but the team would get better every year for quite a while. I love the odds of winning at least 1 championship. And as somebody else mentioned, Love getting every rebound and then throwing full court outlets to Dragic and Bledsoe would be awesome. 6 points per game from that alone.

I would love to have Hayward as our starting SF on that team instead of Tucker, but he is just too expensive. It would cost us 10 mill a year and it would be better for us to just have Tucker instead. Besides, we have done great with Tucker at the 3 this year and while he would be a below average starter on a championship team, it wouldn't be a travesty. Plus, the difference between Love and Frye > the difference between Hayward and Tucker.

As for Love leaving, I don't see it at all. There is no chance in hell of the Lakers being better than us, the Knicks suck, and he ddoesn't want to be in Minny. No way he says no to a max deal on a contender in Phoenix.

[McD for MVP]

Minny isn't trying to trade Love, but it really looks like they are not going to the playoffs this year or next, and they can't possibly think there is more than a 15% chance that Love stays.

They aren't looking to trade now, but if we called up and offered the Morris twins, Green, our 2014 1st, 2015 LAL 1st, their 1st, and the Indy pick they would probably pull the trigger IMO. I don't see any other team that can give them a better package for them moving forward.

We would still have the Washington pick and our 2015 1st, so trading all those picks would not leave us stuck dry like the Knicks or Nets. We would be perfectly fine. This is why McD stashed up so many picks.

[phrazbit]

I think a reasonable trade would be:

Both of the Morri, Okafor, Goodwin, 2014 Minny pick, 2014 Suns pick, for Love and Shved. If Minny is more into future picks than current players then swap out some of our guys for the Laker 2015 pick and a few seconds.

And I do think if Minnesota is looking at yet another playoff whiff then they'd probably be open to trading Love by late Jan. Better to move him early before he starts demanding to be moved and kills the trade value.

Oh, and if they'd rather have Len than the Morri/Goodwin then I'd be all over that.

[jcsunsfan]

Well, I am good with the idea of trading picks for a player. The player has to have the potential to be a #1 player on a championship team. Is Kevin Love that?

We are in a dangerous period right now where things are working, and it might be easy to underestimate the cohesiveness of the group we are putting on the court. For instance, the Blake Griffen for Markieff and picks trade that was mentioned earlier. From a pure trade perspective it would be a steal, but I am not sure Blake would make this team that much better.

Love's versatility is Dirk-like, but he is a better rebounder. Love>Griffen obviously.

[McD for MVP]

I wouldn't trade Goodwin. We don't need Schved.

I promise you that Minny would say no to any trade that doesn't include the Lakers pick. That is the deal breaker.

Trading 4 first round picks sounds insane and too much, but the fact that we would still most likely have a 1st rounder both this year and next makes it not a big deal at all. Yes it is valuable assets, but we are not really even hurt by losing them.

If we could do my proposed trade but keep Green then that would be fantastic.

[McD for MVP]

Well, I am good with the idea of trading picks for a player. The player has to have the potential to be a #1 player on a championship team. Is Kevin Love that?

We are in a dangerous period right now where things are working, and it might be easy to underestimate the cohesiveness of the group we are putting on the court. For instance, the Blake Griffen for Markieff and picks trade that was mentioned earlier. From a pure trade perspective it would be a steal, but I am not sure Blake would make this team that much better.

Love's versatility is Dirk-like, but he is a better rebounder. Love>Griffen obviously.

If you consider Love to be better than Bledsoe, which at this point he is, then yes.

Love fits on this team better than any other big man in the NBA, much better than Griffin as you mentioned.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I wouldn't trade Goodwin. We don't need Schved.

I promise you that Minny would say no to any trade that doesn't include the Lakers pick. That is the deal breaker.

Trading 4 first round picks sounds insane and too much, but the fact that we would still most likely have a 1st rounder both this year and next makes it not a big deal at all. Yes it is valuable assets, but we are not really even hurt by losing them.

If we could do my proposed trade but keep Green then that would be fantastic.

If you knew you could extend love then yeah I'd deal 4 1sts for him.


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[sunsbum]

How can you say Dragic will only get 11 million a year and Bledsoe the max when their numbers are almost identical? And putting the numbers aside Dragic is the better player at this point.