What position could we use a upgrade?

[Scoot McGroot]

The only potential upgrades I see, that might fit the Pacers, are Sefolosha and Hayward and both will sign for a lot more than 6 million I think. Problem is, so will Stephenson. I reckon he will be worth 8-9 million if he keeps his current play up. Unfortunately, unlike many others here, I don't think he will actually be worth that money long term.

I definitely disagree on Thabo. He's likely to sign for around $3.5-5m per, but he's nowhere near an upgrade on Lance. He can match Lance defensively, but is merely a 3 pt shooter offensively. A Sean Elliot, if you will. He's also not young, so he won't get a "potential" deal.

Hayward is not an option fiscally. He'll be way too expensive.

I don't see any upgrades to Lance on the market for less than Lance. I see Thabo as an affordable replacement that can replicate the defense of Lance. Ariza could be another cheaper option.


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[Wizop]

The position that could use an upgrade? Backup wing. Lance Stephenson/Paul George to Orlando Johnson, biggest dropoff that exists on our bench.

the hope or should I say expectation is that Granger will fill that role this year. there is plenty of time to think of backup plans should that not work out.

with the ink hardly dry on my post, in comes R Butler. he played very well against Charlotte. I must admit I thought he was only on the roster as Granger insurance particularly since he hadn't been playing but Quinn said on TV that he played his way onto the roster and I assume he got that from the coaches. frankly, I wondered initially if he was just playing tonight as a parting gift because the plan was to cut him when Granger was activated but he sure showed he had more game than S Hill does as a rookie.

[mikepacernation]

The position that could use an upgrade? Backup wing. Lance Stephenson/Paul George to Orlando Johnson, biggest dropoff that exists on our bench.

the hope or should I say expectation is that Granger will fill that role this year. there is plenty of time to think of backup plans should that not work out.

with the ink hardly dry on my post, in comes R Butler. he played very well against Charlotte. I must admit I thought he was only on the roster as Granger insurance particularly since he hadn't been playing but Quinn said on TV that he played his way onto the roster and I assume he got that from the coaches. frankly, I wondered initially if he was just playing tonight as a parting gift because the plan was to cut him when Granger was activated but he sure showed he had more game than S Hill does as a rookie.

I think that when granger comes back the should have five bench players in Watson butler granger scola and Ian


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[Scoot McGroot]

The position that could use an upgrade? Backup wing. Lance Stephenson/Paul George to Orlando Johnson, biggest dropoff that exists on our bench.

the hope or should I say expectation is that Granger will fill that role this year. there is plenty of time to think of backup plans should that not work out.

with the ink hardly dry on my post, in comes R Butler. he played very well against Charlotte. I must admit I thought he was only on the roster as Granger insurance particularly since he hadn't been playing but Quinn said on TV that he played his way onto the roster and I assume he got that from the coaches. frankly, I wondered initially if he was just playing tonight as a parting gift because the plan was to cut him when Granger was activated but he sure showed he had more game than S Hill does as a rookie.

I would imagine they still waive Butler before January 10, when the contracts become guaranteed for the whole year. Then, probably re-sign him shortly after and have the flexibility to waive him for cap savings to sign a different fill in, if need be.

Kind of like what we did with Sam Young last year.


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[Wizop]

but Young had an injury and we found a way not to pay him when he couldn't play. I'll be interested to see if any of the scribes manage to get a cogent explanation of why he hasn't played before last night when he is clearly far ahead of a rookie.

I read the Montief story on Pacers.com and watched Vogel's press conference. they're saying he earned his spot and OJ and Solo were struggling. Mark has the guarantee date as January 7. I still find the timing curious. they could be show casing him in the last few games before Granger returns but maybe it is just as simple as the young players struggling. then again maybe they were trying to send a message to Danny that he doesn't have to rush things because we have a veteran who can play pretty well.

[PR07]

Hopefully, Granger can solve our backup wing hole.

As for backup center, yeah we could do better than Mahinmi, but who are we going to get around that price range that's worth anything? We need a rim protector to challenge shots behind Hibbert. The only guy that I'd like is Mozgov from the Nuggets, but I can't see the Nuggets trading him for Mahinmi.

[8305]

I'll throw another contingency name out there in the event that Lance isn't resigned, Rodney Stuckey. I'm not sure replacing Lance's defense is as critical as replacing his ball handling. I could see Stuckey who has enjoyed the benefit of some nice paydays while living through some bad team experiences having interest in joining a good team situation.

[Scoot McGroot]

but Young had an injury and we found a way not to pay him when he couldn't play. I'll be interested to see if any of the scribes manage to get a cogent explanation of why he hasn't played before last night when he is clearly far ahead of a rookie.

I read the Montief story on Pacers.com and watched Vogel's press conference. they're saying he earned his spot and OJ and Solo were struggling. Mark has the guarantee date as January 7. I still find the timing curious. they could be show casing him in the last few games before Granger returns but maybe it is just as simple as the young players struggling. then again maybe they were trying to send a message to Danny that he doesn't have to rush things because we have a veteran who can play pretty well.

Regardless of the injury, we likely would have still waived Young. It's merely bookkeeping for a possible injury later in the year.

Other than that, I wouldn't place too much thought into "why play Rasual now?" It's most likely just "it felt right to make a switch now", as well as wanting to see what OJ and Solo can do/respond in early playing time.


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[tmorgan]

I'll throw another contingency name out there in the event that Lance isn't resigned, Rodney Stuckey. I'm not sure replacing Lance's defense is as critical as replacing his ball handling. I could see Stuckey who has enjoyed the benefit of some nice paydays while living through some bad team experiences having interest in joining a good team situation.

(Pistons fan)

Interesting. I'm curious to see how much Dumars will offer his long-time project before letting him walk. Stuck may indeed want to be elsewhere at this point. He's also having a pretty impressive year as our 6th man.

As long as you don't need a good perimeter shooter, he's pretty solid everywhere else.

[mikepacernation]

I honestly like Reggie Jackson he a really underrated player who can score pretty good! He could be a good target for the pacers if they decide they need a point guard


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[Scoot McGroot]

I honestly like Reggie Jackson he a really underrated player who can score pretty good! He could be a good target for the pacers if they decide they need a point guard


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You willing to swap Lance for him? That's the closest thing we could offer. Solo + OJ + any combo of 2nds won't get there. We don't have any 1sts to offer.


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[MillerTheKiller]

I honestly like Reggie Jackson he a really underrated player who can score pretty good! He could be a good target for the pacers if they decide they need a point guard


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You willing to swap Lance for him? That's the closest thing we could offer. Solo + OJ + any combo of 2nds won't get there. We don't have any 1sts to offer.


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Jackson straight for Stephenson?

No.

[Scoot McGroot]

I honestly like Reggie Jackson he a really underrated player who can score pretty good! He could be a good target for the pacers if they decide they need a point guard


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You willing to swap Lance for him? That's the closest thing we could offer. Solo + OJ + any combo of 2nds won't get there. We don't have any 1sts to offer.


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Jackson straight for Stephenson?

No.

Would you even do it for Jackson and the OKC 1st, future Dallas 1st, PJIII, etc? Probably no...right?

Therein lies the rub. It's a middle ground we can't meet them at. We either have pieces too valuable, or not nearly valuable enough.


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[mikepacernation]

I read this article on BR and it said potential trades for Bynum and one was Indiana. I don't know about you guys but bringing Bynum to Indy would be a really dumb idea. He's just a trouble maker who's knees are shot

[Scoot McGroot]

I read this article on BR and it said potential trades for Bynum and one was Indiana. I don't know about you guys but bringing Bynum to Indy would be a really dumb idea. He's just a trouble maker who's knees are shot

I agree. He's a me first player; instant bad fit for Indy. He's unreliable due to his attitude and his knees; instant bad fit for Indy. We already have a defense and team first backup center in Mahinmi; instant bad fit for Indy. We have no fiscal deal we can swing other than using Grangers deal, and we need Granger off the bench at the wing moreso than a 3rd center; instant bad fit for Indy.

See where I'm going with this?


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[EuroPacer]

Hypothetical, as I hate the guy and don't want him associated with the team in any way shape or form.

Bynum + Waiters for Granger.

Stephenson is beginning to put up numbers that lead me to believe we can't possibly afford him next year. I can see the Lakers or some other horror franchise throw near max at him.

Waiters can plug that hole to some extend and we waive Bynum first opportunity (February I believe that clause says??)

Waiters is still on a rookie contract for a few years... Gives us room to bring in an extra guy next year...

Not sure I would be too upset with this as a forward planning scenario.

[mikepacernation]

I don't see Larry letting lance go I really don't they will make sure to keep him

[mikepacernation]

It's pretty pathic all these people just want is money. I mean comeon even horrible nba players make more then the average person does in his life. It's pathic

[Scoot McGroot]

Hypothetical, as I hate the guy and don't want him associated with the team in any way shape or form.

Bynum + Waiters for Granger.

Stephenson is beginning to put up numbers that lead me to believe we can't possibly afford him next year. I can see the Lakers or some other horror franchise throw near max at him.

Waiters can plug that hole to some extend and we waive Bynum first opportunity (February I believe that clause says??)

Waiters is still on a rookie contract for a few years... Gives us room to bring in an extra guy next year...

Not sure I would be too upset with this as a forward planning scenario.

The Cavs aren't moving Waiters right now. But if they were, it wouldn't be on a Granger rental.


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[mikepacernation]

I was reading on BR trades that would make each contender better and I actually liked the one they said about the pacers copeland for morrow. Idk how the money works out or anything but I don't think it's a bad trade at all