Official Suns Free Agent/Trade/Transaction Thread

[bigfoot]

Six first round picks (Morri, Len, and 3 future) for Love seems a bit excessive.

[bigfoot]

That's a lot. I wouldn't do that.

If we could get a guarantee from Love that he re-signs i feel that it would be more than worth it. It is a lot, but it takes money to make money.

That would have to be an under-the-table handshake and didn't Minny lose a draft pick because of a deal like that with Joe Smith??

[The J Rocka]

As i stated 4-5 pages back, i believe the only way we could land Love is in a 3-way.

Mattya, what exactly would the Wolves be looking for? Im guessing a SF, a PF, both young with potential, and a few draft picks?

Exactly. Probably any position. If we are trading Love, unless we get win now pieces, we will likely blow it up. In that case every position outside of point guard is of need.

What if we could work a 3-way with Detroit, netting you guys Monroe in the process? Something like:

MIN gets: Monroe/Okafor's $14.5M expiring/Len?/WAS 2014 1st/MIN 2014 1st (your own pick back)
DET gets: MorrisX2/IND 2014 1st
PHX gets Love

That gives you a great young PF/C with potential, a young rookie C with potential that was a top 5 pick, 2 2014 1sts and a very very very large expiring, which you could use to trade for another player(s) or just let expire for caproom in 2014.

Monroe isn't suited to play PF. With that being said, this offer is improved. Alex Len doesn't do much for me. Wasn't a fan even before the draft.

Draft picks: Wizards one will be in the late lotto mid round at best. Wolves wouldn't need to worry about getting their pick back if a rebuild is happening. Still has top heavy protections.

Monroe + top 3 pick would be something to discuss.

[Kerrsed]

Ok, i know damn near EVERYBODY on the board hates the idea of Melo in a Suns uniform, but what if......

Okafor/Dragic/2014 pick(s) to NYC
Melo/Shumpert to PHX

After adding Melo to the mix approach Denver for a Faried trade. I'd offer them Len straight up for him.

Bledsoe/Shumpert/Melo/Faried/Frye

Pretty much do what you have to do to win with Melo, surround him with defenders and rebounders. For as much crap thats talked about Melo, he is a 25/10/3 player and an All-star. If we could get Horny to work with Shumpert on his 3 point shot like he did with Tucker, then we would be GOLDEN.

[sunskerr]

Looks like we're in a similar position to the Rockets last year - A solid young core that is exceeding expectations and in need of an elite player. Kevin Love fits the bill to a T but I don't think they'd be willing to part with their star player when everybody on the Wolves is finally healthy. Unlike us though, the Rockets had one or two more young players that were seen as having some potential so they could package them in a trade and still have enough talent around Harden to win games.

[Kerrsed]

Would you guys do MorrisX2/Okafor/A 2014 1st to GS for Barnes/Lee?

Seems like Warrior fans on the trade board want to attach Lee to any Barnes trade.

Suns Receive
Harrison Barnes

Warriors Receive
Marcus Morris
2014 1st Round Pick

Sorry Barnes isn't getting moved unless Lee gets moved. Morris would get like 10 min of playing time behind Lee maybe, even though those minutes should be going to Green. That haul isn't enough incentive to be able to move Lee later on.

[rsavaj]

As i stated 4-5 pages back, i believe the only way we could land Love is in a 3-way.

Mattya, what exactly would the Wolves be looking for? Im guessing a SF, a PF, both young with potential, and a few draft picks?

Exactly. Probably any position. If we are trading Love, unless we get win now pieces, we will likely blow it up. In that case every position outside of point guard is of need.

What if we could work a 3-way with Detroit, netting you guys Monroe in the process? Something like:

MIN gets: Monroe/Okafor's $14.5M expiring/Len?/WAS 2014 1st/MIN 2014 1st (your own pick back)
DET gets: MorrisX2/IND 2014 1st
PHX gets Love

That gives you a great young PF/C with potential, a young rookie C with potential that was a top 5 pick, 2 2014 1sts and a very very very large expiring, which you could use to trade for another player(s) or just let expire for caproom in 2014.

Would do it without Len. Kinda iffy on doing it with him in the deal, but then again...I don't know if Len should be the dealbreaker when it comes to getting an All-NBA player like Love.

Still, we'd have a very shallow depth chart afterwards

Bledsoe/Ish
Dragic/Goodwin
Tucker/Green
Love/Frye
Plumlee/uhhhhhhhhhhh...maybe Len if we keep him.

[bwgood77]

Mattya ... do you realize the Wolves are experiencing the same problem we had with Amare a few years ago? Superstar talent but few teams willing to ship out huge assets when you can have a player in 18 months time. We have traded three players for Charles Barkley back in the 90's (can you name them). We traded two young players and four draft picks for Antonio McDyess and got screwed in return. We've watched the Knicks throw everything at the Nuggets for Melo and see were they sit right now. You can dream about teams with great assets that are going to exchange for Love but history shows the team that gives up the superstar player in their prime generally gets the worst end of the trade. Trade or not with the Suns; it does not bode well for Wolves fans.

I'm not entirely sure if these examples all back your point. Denver shipped out Melo and probably won the trade. Denver shipped out McDyess for assets and Phx didn't win the trade (even though they got the star) because he left. Orlando shipped out Howard and I'd say they won the trade...LA certainly didn't, nor did Philly, who shipped out their star Iggy. The Nets shipped out a bunch of picks for Deron Williams, and I don't know if they really won that trade...Utah got Favors and picks.

I don't think the Wolves will necessarily win a trade when/if they trade Love, but I don't think they will want to trade him for just picks, when they have desperately been trying to get to the playoffs since KG left. They got a lot of assets for KG, and their team hasn't made the playoffs since.

I would absolutely LOVE to get Love, and think he would fit our team perfectly, but I just don't think we have the right or best assets to get him. But I don't think they will trade him this year either. They are playing tough and have just had a brutal schedule (toughest in the league).

I think many of our fans are being a little unreasonable in what they think it will take to get a player of Love's caliber.

I'm definitely not saying I don't want him because I think he would be probably the best guy out there to plug into this team to make it REALLY good.

[phrazbit]

I wouldn't trade Goodwin. We don't need Schved.

I promise you that Minny would say no to any trade that doesn't include the Lakers pick. That is the deal breaker.

Trading 4 first round picks sounds insane and too much, but the fact that we would still most likely have a 1st rounder both this year and next makes it not a big deal at all. Yes it is valuable assets, but we are not really even hurt by losing them.

If we could do my proposed trade but keep Green then that would be fantastic.

I didnt throw Shved into the trade because we need or would want him. He is the trash that gets thrown in with the star. It makes the salaries work with Minny taking on some of the younger players. If Minnesota was more into having draft picks than dudes like the Morri, then leave Shved out of it.

And while I HOPE that Laker pick turns to gold, I wouldnt bet on it. The Lakers are going to go all out to rebuild this summer.

[RunDogGun]

From all indications, the Suns are willing to give the farm up for Kevin Love. Yes, that even includes our 1st round pick. Hayward is their second option.

As a Suns fan, what are you willing to give up for Kevin Love? ( No Dragic, Bledsoe , Goodwin, or Plumlee)

What indications?

I have a couple of friends in the know. I'm not going to be trying to solidify my sources with anyone and everyone here. I've confirmed my sources with the mods and I'll do it again if I need to.

I wasn't trying to challenge you, just needed clarification. Thanks.

[bwgood77]

That's a lot. I wouldn't do that.

If we could get a guarantee from Love that he re-signs i feel that it would be more than worth it. It is a lot, but it takes money to make money.

I think that deal is about the most reasonable I've seen, and I'd do it (I don't think they'd need or want Len though, so probably something else) but I still don't think they would do it.

At this point I still think their #1 goal has to be to make the playoffs and that he will re-sign. Things could change in two months, depending on injuries, how well they are doing, etc, but at this point, I'd be surprised if they would deal him unless they got offered Griffin or something (which would make sense on some level for both teams). I like Love much more than Griffin, but from Minny's pt of view Griffin is under contract for longer. I imagine Griffin would enjoy playing with Rubio more than Paul too.

[cpfsf]

As i stated 4-5 pages back, i believe the only way we could land Love is in a 3-way.

Mattya, what exactly would the Wolves be looking for? Im guessing a SF, a PF, both young with potential, and a few draft picks?

Exactly. Probably any position. If we are trading Love, unless we get win now pieces, we will likely blow it up. In that case every position outside of point guard is of need.

What if we could work a 3-way with Detroit, netting you guys Monroe in the process? Something like:

MIN gets: Monroe/Okafor's $14.5M expiring/Len?/WAS 2014 1st/MIN 2014 1st (your own pick back)
DET gets: MorrisX2/IND 2014 1st
PHX gets Love

That gives you a great young PF/C with potential, a young rookie C with potential that was a top 5 pick, 2 2014 1sts and a very very very large expiring, which you could use to trade for another player(s) or just let expire for caproom in 2014.

minnesota rejected cleveland's offer for tristan thompson and the #1. i think it's implied that any trade should be better than that. now this was a decent opening proposal. even if the value is there, i think minnesota would still reject because it would hurt minnesota's chemistry. obviously rubio is more of a facilitator than a scorer/shooter. pekovic has virtually no outside game at all and really benefits from someone who can spread the floor.

wolves fans have a lot of differing opinions on who is more obtainable, so this is all from my perspective. guys like cunningham, barea, shved, muhammad could be traded. pekovic isn't necessarily on the trading block. but he potentially could be traded assuming the deal is right. obviously he could be shipped to a 3rd team too.

[phrazbit]

Ok, i know damn near EVERYBODY on the board hates the idea of Melo in a Suns uniform, but what if......

Okafor/Dragic/2014 pick(s) to NYC
Melo/Shumpert to PHX

After adding Melo to the mix approach Denver for a Faried trade. I'd offer them Len straight up for him.

Bledsoe/Shumpert/Melo/Faried/Frye

Pretty much do what you have to do to win with Melo, surround him with defenders and rebounders. For as much crap thats talked about Melo, he is a 25/10/3 player and an All-star. If we could get Horny to work with Shumpert on his 3 point shot like he did with Tucker, then we would be GOLDEN.

Golden for what? Annual 1st round playoff humiliations? Pass.

I believe 100% that its impossible to build a legit contender around Carmelo. He is a selfish iso player on the offense end who puts up huge numbers for himself while stifling the offense of all his teammates and he is a bad and disinterested defender.

On top of all that I would say there is a zero percent chance that we could extend him. Carmelo wants to be in a huge market, his market and his money have historically been more important to him than actually being on a winner, he has already hinted that the Lakers or Knicks, two terrible teams, are the two he will be considering. And thank god. Let him curse them with boring, bad basketball.

[sunskerr]

One can only hope we're able to land Kevin Love then... That would be amazing.

[LukasBMW]

A reasonably priced top 20 player will hit the market this year. The key is patience.

I'd LOVE to see us get Boogie. Yeah, he has a bit of an attitude problem, but dude can ball.

[phrazbit]

minnesota rejected cleveland's offer for tristan thompson and the #1. i think it's implied that any trade should be better than that. now this was a decent opening proposal. even if the value is there, i think minnesota would still reject because it would hurt minnesota's chemistry. obviously rubio is more of a facilitator than a scorer/shooter. pekovic has virtually no outside game at all and really benefits from someone who can spread the floor. minnesota essentially went into a free fall last year when kevin love went down.

wolves fans have a lot of differing opinions on who is more obtainable, so this is all from my perspective. guys like cunningham, barea, shved, muhammad could be traded. pekovic isn't necessarily on the trading block. but he potentially could be traded assuming the deal is right. obviously he could be shipped to a 3rd team too.

Its not a static environment. When Minnesota was shooting down trade inquiries over the summer they still had hope that the current Wolves would be playoff threat. That obviously had not turned out to be the case. They wanted shot down a #1 pick in a horrible draft and the questionable value of Tristian Thompson when they thought they had a playoff squad, their probable asking price now as they sit outside the playoffs but not in a premium position of a monstrously loaded draft is undoubtedly changing.

And I also dont think you can get anything for JJ Barea or especially Shved.

[bigfoot]

Need to sit on our hands right now.

We have a top 5 PG in Bledsoe.
We have a top 5 SG in Dragic.
Defensive stopper and growing three pt specialist in Tucker.
Good stretch 4/5's in Frye and the Morri
Defensive, rebounding, role playing center in Plumlee.
Developing rookies in Len and Goodwin

Let's see what free agency brings. Deng, Gasol, Dirk, Marion, Pierce, Bosh, and Melo would all be awesome as sixth/seventh men and shore up the bench production. If we finish this year strong with the crew we have, ring chasers will flock to our team.

[bwgood77]

When Minnesota was shooting down trade inquiries over the summer they still had hope that the current Wolves would be playoff threat. That obviously had not turned out to be the case.

They may not make the playoffs, but they have played pretty much the toughest schedule in the league so far, so I wouldn't necessarily count them out. For example, they haven't played Sacramento or Utah yet, and we've played those teams a combined 5 or 6 times. http://espn.go.com/nba/team/schedule/_/ ... mberwolves

[Kyler Murray]

Need to sit on our hands right now.

We have a top 5 PG in Bledsoe.
We have a top 5 SG in Dragic.
Defensive stopper and growing three pt specialist in Tucker.
Good stretch 4/5's in Frye and the Morri
Defensive, rebounding, role playing center in Plumlee.
Developing rookies in Len and Goodwin

Let's see what free agency brings. Deng, Gasol, Dirk, Marion, Pierce, Bosh, and Melo would all be awesome as sixth/seventh men and shore up the bench production. If we finish this year strong with the crew we have, ring chasers will flock to our team.

Top-5? Don't think they're there yet. They're playing like it sometimes but I don't think they've established that yet. Only one that looks appealing from the guys you listed is Deng (& Marion just to get him to retire here). We should be after young guys 23-28 so that we can build a team to sustain for the next 5+ years tho.

[bigfoot]

Need to sit on our hands right now.

We have a top 5 PG in Bledsoe.
We have a top 5 SG in Dragic.
Defensive stopper and growing three pt specialist in Tucker.
Good stretch 4/5's in Frye and the Morri
Defensive, rebounding, role playing center in Plumlee.
Developing rookies in Len and Goodwin

Let's see what free agency brings. Deng, Gasol, Dirk, Marion, Pierce, Bosh, and Melo would all be awesome as sixth/seventh men and shore up the bench production. If we finish this year strong with the crew we have, ring chasers will flock to our team.

Top-5? Don't think they're there yet. They're playing like it sometimes but I don't think they've established that yet. Only one that looks appealing from the guys you listed is Deng (& Marion just to get him to retire here). We should be after young guys 23-28 so that we can build a team to sustain for the next 5+ years tho.

We currently have the young guys for five years. Our starters have competed with almost every team including the Heat, Spurs, and Thunder. Improve our bench strength (e.g., Green and backup center). With 20M we could pickup some nice veteran players that would be stronger than most other benches.

Also, Goran is the 2nd ranked shooting guard in PER behind Harden. Bledsoe is the 4th ranked PG in PER behind Paul, Curry, and Thomas. Right now these two guys are showing themselves as one of the top backcourts in the league.