Official Suns Free Agent/Trade/Transaction Thread

[bwgood77]

You know a guy who I bet could be available soon is Zach Randolph. With Memphis slowly falling out of the playoff race, if they drop much further, I would bet they look to deal him, and might start focusing on the lottery a little bit. I don't know if we have the right pieces for them, but they might value picks and expiring contracts a little more than most good teams do.

I was thinking Gasol for Randolph could also happen at some point so Gasol could play with his bro and Zach could play for D'Antoni again (he played well for him).

Randolph has a huge player option next year.

I'm sure we would all rather have Love, but disregarding Love, would you deal for Randolph?

[bigfoot]

Bledsoe and Dragic PER

Win shares per 48min

Definitely two young elite guards and certainly pushing top five.

[Kyler Murray]

Yeah, I did say they're playing top-5 now, it's just that it's too small of a sample to jump onto conclusion yet. I'd love them to keep this going all year long. Aldridge & Love are the 2 best fits imo (perfect for our system). I'd love Horford here too. After that, we should chase young guys with big potential. No Z-Bo, Gasol, Carmelo (worst-case scenario for me). Someone like Boogie or Drummond.

[Kyler Murray]

Bledsoe and Dragic PER

Win shares per 48min

Definitely two young elite guards and certainly pushing top five.

Damn, Isaiah is 3rd?

[cpfsf]

minnesota rejected cleveland's offer for tristan thompson and the #1. i think it's implied that any trade should be better than that. now this was a decent opening proposal. even if the value is there, i think minnesota would still reject because it would hurt minnesota's chemistry. obviously rubio is more of a facilitator than a scorer/shooter. pekovic has virtually no outside game at all and really benefits from someone who can spread the floor. minnesota essentially went into a free fall last year when kevin love went down.

wolves fans have a lot of differing opinions on who is more obtainable, so this is all from my perspective. guys like cunningham, barea, shved, muhammad could be traded. pekovic isn't necessarily on the trading block. but he potentially could be traded assuming the deal is right. obviously he could be shipped to a 3rd team too.

Its not a static environment. When Minnesota was shooting down trade inquiries over the summer they still had hope that the current Wolves would be playoff threat. That obviously had not turned out to be the case. They wanted shot down a #1 pick in a horrible draft and the questionable value of Tristian Thompson when they thought they had a playoff squad, their probable asking price now as they sit outside the playoffs but not in a premium position of a monstrously loaded draft is undoubtedly changing.

And I also dont think you can get anything for JJ Barea or especially Shved.

we're approximately 20 games removed from the draft, so it's one of the best benchmarks you will be able to find. now i still think they are a playoff team. the return of turiaf and budinger will help the team immensely. obviously they are not great by any means, but they are essentially all-stars compared to guys like shved, hummel, and dieng. i can't emphasize this enough. the bench play has been pretty atrocious.

turiaf is a huge improvement as dieng stays on the bench and love stays at the 4. dieng is still very raw and obviously nobody in the world believes love is a center. next, minnesota needs to space the floor better. we are still a pretty bad 3P% team and we take a lot of 3 point shots. that's part of the reason why budinger needs to return now. it will greatly benefit rubio and pekovic since we need another shooter. these factors sound trivial at first glance, but 5 of those losses were by 4 points or less. essentially replacing dieng, hummel, and shved with turiaf and budinger will help a lot. it also helps that minnesota's schedule is beginning to ease up.

i also never said shved or barea could get anything of value. obviously gerald wallace was traded. it depends on the situation.

[RunDogGun]

I don't see the point throwing the Morri in many of these trades, when we are getting similar if not better output from them, than the guys we are drooling over. Harrison Barnes is averaging 14/4, Mark is averaging 13/6 and Marc is averaging 10/5, while the twins are doing that in less minutes and mainly from the bench. And when you look at a per36 stats, both Mark & Marc have better production, 17.7/8.5 and 17.1/7.5 respectfully, while Barnes has 14.6/4.5.

I think we stand pat for a bit until a deal comes to us we can't pass up. While we may be looking at Love/Hayward, I doubt we give up three to four picks and half our team in the process.

[bigfoot]

Bledsoe and Dragic PER

Win shares per 48min

Definitely two young elite guards and certainly pushing top five.

Damn, Isaiah is 3rd?

He played a very nice game last night. Good thing Plumlee shutdown Cousins or we don't win that game.

[JMac1]

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Spot up Shooting: Check
Shooting off the dribble: check
Creating own shot: Check
Defense: Check
Attacking basket: Check
Finishing at the rim: Check
Athleticism: Check
One on One ability: Check

That is the reason for the Hayward love. Won't make a deal for him until after the draft though. Too many variables going on with us and them. I think we stay pat and play it out. Sign Gordon and Bledsoe next year. I remember Nash was all-star good with Dallas, but not MVP good; remember that people.

[bwgood77]

I like Hayward. I'm just a little concerned with the prospect of having Bledsoe and Hayward on max deals. If those are your max guys, what is your ceiling? And if we are going to keep Dragic, do we want $40MM per year invested in those three guys?

I don't think Hayward or Bledsoe deserve the max, but it might take that type of money to keep them in the crazy restricted free agency market, so it worries me, even though I really like both players.

[bwgood77]

Bledsoe and Dragic PER

Win shares per 48min

Definitely two young elite guards and certainly pushing top five.

Damn, Isaiah is 3rd?

He played a very nice game last night. Good thing Plumlee shutdown Cousins or we don't win that game.

That is pretty interesting. If you were to ask most people who has the best backcourt in the league, very few would mention ours, but we are the only team with two guards with a PER over 21, and I bet the next best team's combined PER for their starting guards is quite a bit below ours.

[thamadkant]

I'm on board with Hayward too...

Suns can wait it out until off season or they can make moves now.

Jazz won't trade him easily, they know he is a good player who can still improve.

[QuickLikeTheo]

Houston can afford him. Portland would take the younger, more talented, and hometown player in Love over LMA easy. He loves LA.

So because the Wolves wouldn't trade Love for the Morris twins, we underrate them?

What bottom feeding teams picks are you offering?

How about you show some of these "better offers" you are speaking of.
Leme guess amare stoudemire and jr smith for k love and Ricky rubio


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You mean like the Cavs offer I already posted. That is 1. The Bulls could offer Cats pick, Butler, Mirotic and Gibson. The Thunder could offer Ibaka, Lamb, Adams. So there are three off the top of my head that have been posted by those teams fans.

Yeh those are pretty good. I mean I would want to build my team around jimmy butler too if I were in the same situation instead of 4-5 1st rders


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[JMac1]

I like Hayward. I'm just a little concerned with the prospect of having Bledsoe and Hayward on max deals. If those are your max guys, what is your ceiling? And if we are going to keep Dragic, do we want $40MM per year invested in those three guys?

I don't think Hayward or Bledsoe deserve the max, but it might take that type of money to keep them in the crazy restricted free agency market, so it worries me, even though I really like both players.

Bledsoe and Hayward are not getting max....quote me! 10 -12 million for Gordon and 14 million for Bledsoe.

[QuickLikeTheo]

Would you guys do MorrisX2/Okafor/A 2014 1st to GS for Barnes/Lee?

Seems like Warrior fans on the trade board want to attach Lee to any Barnes trade.

Suns Receive
Harrison Barnes

Warriors Receive
Marcus Morris
2014 1st Round Pick

Sorry Barnes isn't getting moved unless Lee gets moved. Morris would get like 10 min of playing time behind Lee maybe, even though those minutes should be going to Green. That haul isn't enough incentive to be able to move Lee later on.

He'll yeah


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[thamadkant]

I like Hayward. I'm just a little concerned with the prospect of having Bledsoe and Hayward on max deals. If those are your max guys, what is your ceiling? And if we are going to keep Dragic, do we want $40MM per year invested in those three guys?

I don't think Hayward or Bledsoe deserve the max, but it might take that type of money to keep them in the crazy restricted free agency market, so it worries me, even though I really like both players.

Bledsoe and Hayward are not getting max....quote me! 10 -12 million for Gordon and 14 million for Bledsoe.

Hayward will almost get a max... This is almost the only reason jazz will let him go.

At 10-12 million... Jazz will match easily.

But at 15 million, they may consider picks and other assets.

[DirtyDez]

I like Hayward. I'm just a little concerned with the prospect of having Bledsoe and Hayward on max deals. If those are your max guys, what is your ceiling? And if we are going to keep Dragic, do we want $40MM per year invested in those three guys?

I don't think Hayward or Bledsoe deserve the max, but it might take that type of money to keep them in the crazy restricted free agency market, so it worries me, even though I really like both players.

You have to pay to win. If our three best players are making 30m combined that pretty reasonable.

[Mattya]

As i stated 4-5 pages back, i believe the only way we could land Love is in a 3-way.

Mattya, what exactly would the Wolves be looking for? Im guessing a SF, a PF, both young with potential, and a few draft picks?

Exactly. Probably any position. If we are trading Love, unless we get win now pieces, we will likely blow it up. In that case every position outside of point guard is of need.

What were the better offers from the Bulls and other teams fans? I think they'd be hard pressed to get you more draft picks in 2014 and 2015 than we could offer. Also do you not think any of the players we have outside Bledsoe, Goodwin, Dragic and Plumlee are good assets? If not why?

I have already listed those trades. What good are mid to late draft picks. Wolves pick would have literally no value to the Wolves if we are trading Love, as I have already said before. The Suns pick would only get worse if Love is on your team in any of these deals. The Wizards are in the East and literally any garbage team can make the playoffs over there. LA could be good, but it could also be weak. The Indiana pick is a late first. None of those picks is going to entice a team to trade a top 10 player who is only 25 years old. This is the NBA. Stars matter.

You may not want to give up a lot to get Love, but the Wolves are getting no real incentive to trade him. Especially when they aren't far out of the playoffs.

[Mattya]

The same exact sentiment many Suns fans had for Amare. In the end we didn't even get spare parts.

Neither the Wolves or Love will wait as long as the Suns did with Amare.

Very well. But any GM worth their salt on the receiving end will know that the Lakers, Heat, Knicks, and other big markets teams will be making a run at Love in 18 months. Smaller markets teams can't afford to send everything for what amounts to a one-year rental. The only way it works is 18 months from now the Wolves work a sign and trade for assets. The Lakers and Knicks have no assets to send to you. The Heat don't need Love right now. I think the Wolves are between a rock and hard place and will have to settle or risk losing Love in free agency.

The Warriors and Rockets are both teams that would love Love. The Warriors could offer significant pieces to the Wolves and would have no worries about resigning Love. I would rather lose Love for nothing than trade him for pieces that keep us on the treadmill.

[Mattya]

As i stated 4-5 pages back, i believe the only way we could land Love is in a 3-way.

Mattya, what exactly would the Wolves be looking for? Im guessing a SF, a PF, both young with potential, and a few draft picks?

Exactly. Probably any position. If we are trading Love, unless we get win now pieces, we will likely blow it up. In that case every position outside of point guard is of need.

What if we could work a 3-way with Detroit, netting you guys Monroe in the process? Something like:

MIN gets: Monroe/Okafor's $14.5M expiring/Len?/WAS 2014 1st/MIN 2014 1st (your own pick back)
DET gets: MorrisX2/IND 2014 1st
PHX gets Love

That gives you a great young PF/C with potential, a young rookie C with potential that was a top 5 pick, 2 2014 1sts and a very very very large expiring, which you could use to trade for another player(s) or just let expire for caproom in 2014.

I'm not a Monroe fan, especially when he is looking for a big contract. The picks aren't of that much value. As I stated, if the Wolves are trading Love they are going to get much worse, so returning their own pick doesn't do much sense we would likely never be good enough for a 1st round pick to be deferred. Wizards pick could easily be a mid to late first. Len came into the league injured in a really weak draft. On top of that I don't think Detroit is going to help another team get Love, when pairing Love with Drummond would probably be any teams wet dream.

[Mattya]

How about you show some of these "better offers" you are speaking of.
Leme guess amare stoudemire and jr smith for k love and Ricky rubio


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You mean like the Cavs offer I already posted. That is 1. The Bulls could offer Cats pick, Butler, Mirotic and Gibson. The Thunder could offer Ibaka, Lamb, Adams. So there are three off the top of my head that have been posted by those teams fans.

Yeh those are pretty good. I mean I would want to build my team around jimmy butler too if I were in the same situation instead of 4-5 1st rders


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I don't know if you're being sarcastic, but it is Jimmy Butler, a young Euro-league MVP, and a very very promising pick. So yeah I would rather have that than some assortment of mid to late firsts.