Official Suns Free Agent/Trade/Transaction Thread

[McD for MVP]

Sanders, Ersan, Udoh and Ridnour for Okafor Len, Fry and a first rounder or two works in the trade checker. Now I'm not sure either team would do it. For the Bucks it would be a total tank rebuild move but would leave a very clean slate for the new GM they should hire this offseason. I'm not sure the suns would be comfortable taking on that much salary but could be a very good defensive team with Larry and ersan could get a ton of good looks with Bledsoe and Goran driving to the hoop.

I was about to post something like this.


I've been posting a lot of trade offers for Henson in the past because I do like his potential.
But now that he has played well with minutes, Bucks will most likely rather trade Sanders.



Your trade proposal was almost exactly what I was going to post.



Now just need to get Hayward somehow.


C: Plumlee
PF: Sanders
SF: Hayward
SG: Dragic
PG: Bledsoe

An easier way would to get involved in a HOU/MIL 3 way.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kjjpn73

HOU gets: Frye/Ilyasova
MIL gets: Asik/Jones
PHX gets: Sanders

The Houston Rockets are shopping Omer Asik and several teams are quite interested in acquiring one of the league’s elite defensive centers. With Sanders’ future in Milwaukee uncertain, some NBA officials believe Asik would be a good fit for the Bucks. What’s more, the Rockets have had more than a passing interest in Ilyasova, an outstanding perimeter shooter who would nicely complement Rockets center Dwight Howard. Racine Journal-Times - See more at: http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm#sthash.2abVQzgf.dpuf

With Henson breaking out this season in the PF/C role Milwaukee is making Sanders available. As the article mentioned, Asik would be a great fit for the Bucks. Houston will not want Sanders, but would rather have a stretch 4. In this trade they get two of them (Frye & Ilyasova). Frye is the perfect Stretch 4 for them (better than Ily) as he can slide over to C when Howards on the bench. Milwaukee gets Asik to be their new starting C and a decent backup PF for Henson in Jones. Suns take Sanders off of their hands ($11M a season staring next season until 2018).

HOU: Beverley/Harden/Parsons/Frye/Howard
MIL: Knight/Mayo/Middleton/Henson/Asik
PHX: Bledsoe/Dragic/Tucker/Morris/Sanders

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[McD for MVP]

I like Hayward a lot but paying him over 10 mill a year just isn't what's best for us.

[Mattya]

Way too many people willing to let go of Len at a low price. ****, kid hasn't even played yet. I agree, he's a great asset, and with the emergence of Plumlee and the fact that we're competitive so soon, it might be worth it to trade him - if it's for Love. Basically no one else being mentioned is worth giving up on the guy McD thought warranted the #1 pick.

Wrt the Minny rep - he's a little strange. It seems he'd be okay rebuilding with pieces like Jimmy Butler and David Lee and whatnot, which is pretty ridiculous. You can't rebuild with big contracts, older players, etc. Thompson and the #1 isn't terrible. But if you're going to rebuild you want cap space and picks. And I think Minny's closer to that point than he'd like to admit.

I think the Morrii are as or perhaps more valuable than Thompson - they're efficient contributors on a top-10 team, after all. And their offensive efficiency is pretty remarkable. They're limited defensively, but they're solid contributors for sure. Len is at least a very intriguing prospect, and I wouldn't trade him for Barnes or Thompson or Waiters at this point (the feet could be a long-term problem, or it could be a small thing before he busts out). And that Lakers pick is real value. Len + LA Pick + Morrii + 2 1st rounders is a helluva haul, IMO, and I would do everything in my power as GM to get Love at a lower price.

BTW - all this talk of Monroe and Sanders, etc. - this doesn't make sense. Plumlee is limited to about 8 feet, and our offense really clicks in large part because just about everyone else spreads the floor, allowing our guards to get inside. Sanders especially would straight up ruin that: Frye is much better for our system. is everyone here so fantasy basketball-minded that they can't see this?

... Which is why Love is the clear and perfect option. He does what Frye does, and much more. This year, if we lost the Morrii and Len and the Laker pick, we'd really be hurting for depth on our front line. I'd do everything possible to keep one of Len, Marc, or Kieff to bolster that line. It would make the most sense for both teams for them to take Len as part of any rebuild. I'd love to keep both Morrii, even if they share an uncomfortable number of similarities with Love.

Thanks for leaving out everything else those deals have to offer like better picks, and prospects like Harrison Barnes. Easy to slant a discussion that way. You aren't getting Love unless you outbid another team which you aren't so...

I'm more than willing to rebuild I'm just not giving up a top ten player for some fantasy of yours. Offer up part of your core or the discussion goes nowhere. Len's a nice prospect, but he doesn't have the value you think he does. Injured coming into the league in a weak draft. I haven't even brought up the Denver offer of Gallo and Faried for Love. You aren't going to get any fan of any team trading it's star liking these low ball offers.

[McD for MVP]

We could always just hope for a little luck and save money then get Love in 2015 and then draft a stud SF with a top 5 pick (Which Minny fans don't want)

[WeekapaugGroove]

Some of you are under rating sanders IMO. If the suns knew they were getting 2012-13 sanders then he absolutely worth trading for. By advanced d metrics he was an absolute elite defender. That being said I would just sit back and see how things unfold over the next couple months if I'm the suns.


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[McD for MVP]

Some of you are under rating sanders IMO. If the suns knew they were getting 2012-13 sanders then he absolutely worth trading for. By advanced d metrics he was an absolute elite defender. That being said I would just sit back and see how things unfold over the next couple months if I'm the suns.


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I think you are underrating how much the Bucks FO loves him and wants him as a long term piece.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Gallo and Fareid? I'm not sure those guys together are worth more than the Morrii at this point. One's coming back from major injury, the other has no offensive game. Barnes, statistically, also worse than the Morrii. I think you're undervaluing every piece we've mentioned. You don't value Len. OK, but he's valuable regardless your opinion. And those protected picks - note that they are in the strongest, deepest draft we've had in a looong time. You trade Love for Fareid and Gallo and you'll be run out of town.

That Charlotte pick isn't as valuable as the Lakers pick. However, Denver's NYK pick is more valuable at this point than the Lakers pick. But if it ended up a top 3 pick in this draft... how sure are you Denver would be willing to trade it for Love? I mean, if you're Denver, wouldn't you rather have Wiggins/Embiid/Parker/Randle and keep Fareid and Gallo?

In sum, you're systematically undervaluing our assets. Period.

[McD for MVP]

Gallo and Fareid? I'm not sure those guys together are worth more than the Morrii at this point. One's coming back from major injury, the other has no offensive game. Barnes, statistically, also worse than the Morrii. I think you're undervaluing every piece we've mentioned. You don't value Len. OK, but he's valuable regardless your opinion. And those protected picks - note that they are in the strongest, deepest draft we've had in a looong time. You trade Love for Fareid and Gallo and you'll be run out of town.

That Charlotte pick isn't as valuable as the Lakers pick. However, Denver's NYK pick is more valuable at this point than the Lakers pick. But if it ended up a top 3 pick in this draft... how sure are you Denver would be willing to trade it for Love? I mean, if you're Denver, wouldn't you rather have Wiggins/Embiid/Parker/Randle and keep Fareid and Gallo?

In sum, you're systematically undervaluing our assets. Period.

Take this And1

Couldn't have said it better myself. Perfect. The offers Mattya posted were trash compared to what we have to offer. Morris twins look like they will be solid starters in this league.

[Jukeness]

Either Morris twin over Barnes? NAH.

[bwgood77]

Question for you guys. Would you swap Okafor for Danny Granger? Both are expiring and Granger makes roughly half a Million less than Okafor.

I think the Pacers might do it just to get rid of "the Granger problem," which if you follow the Pacers at all you'd know is a legitimate worry of theirs. The idea that Okafor could possibly come back in time for the playoffs and contribute just might be enough for them to do it.

I know he hasn't played much, but the risk here is minimal for the Suns. *If* he really is healthy and if he can return to prior form sometime before the All-Star break, then he could be a legit weapon for us. I love Tucker. He plays like a grown ass man. However, if you put the All-Star level Granger on this team we could be seriously dangerous. The kind of team no one wants to face like the Warriors in 2007 when they barely made the playoffs (42-40) and upset the Mavericks in the 1st round.

I'll say this again so you don't get it twisted. I have no idea what Granger will be like when he comes back. He may not be any good at all, but he's only 30 and has only played 5 games in the last 2 years. I think it's a risk worth taking. If he's healthy a Bledsoe-Dragic-Granger-Frye-Plumlee lineup with a bench mob of Goodwin-Green-Tucker-Marcus-Markieff could be a legit thorn in someone's side this Spring.

I don't think it's a risk at all. I'd do it, but I imagine the Pacers would like to at least get back their own pick or something if they were to do that, maybe more.

[McD for MVP]

Either Morris twin over Barnes? NAH.

You can't be serious. I love the Morris twins but you are sleeping on Barnes.

Post that on the Warriors board Lol

[Jukeness]

Either Morris twin over Barnes? NAH.

You can't be serious. I love the Morris twins but you are sleeping on Barnes.

Post that on the Warriors board Lol

Lol? I'm saying he has more value than either Morris.

[McD for MVP]

Either Morris twin over Barnes? NAH.

You can't be serious. I love the Morris twins but you are sleeping on Barnes.

Post that on the Warriors board Lol

Lol? I'm saying he has more value than either Morris.

Oh my bad I read that wrong Lol.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Some of you are under rating sanders IMO. If the suns knew they were getting 2012-13 sanders then he absolutely worth trading for. By advanced d metrics he was an absolute elite defender. That being said I would just sit back and see how things unfold over the next couple months if I'm the suns.


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I think you are underrating how much the Bucks FO loves him and wants him as a long term piece.

They did but after the bar fight and complaining about Drew earlier this yr they don't love him a much. They really shouldn't trade him now while his value is low but Hammond is one I the worst gms in the league when it comes to asset management.

I grew up in wisco but have lived in az for the past decade so the bucks and suns are my fav teams. It's been painful to watch some of the bad gms both franchise have had recently. It's so nice having a competent one in McD


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[Frank Lee]

I think Illysova is the odd man out in Milw

That being said I would just sit back and see how things unfold over the next couple months if I'm the suns.

Thats my route. Those picks will not lose any value.

[McD for MVP]

How much will Deng go for in the off season?

[carey]

In sum, you're systematically undervaluing our assets. Period.

I agree with this take. But that's alright, it's his prerogative. It's a basketball discussion forum after all. I'm rooting for Minnesota to do well actually. I hate that teams have to dump their stars due to the market they play in and bad management. Fans deserve better. So do the players.

[McD for MVP]

Wolves fans will never agree to a Love trade because they think he will stay ( )

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

In sum, you're systematically undervaluing our assets. Period.

I agree with this take. But that's alright, it's his prerogative. It's a basketball discussion forum after all. I'm rooting for Minnesota to do well actually. I hate that teams have to dump their stars due to the market they play in and bad management. Fans deserve better. So do the players.

Yo carey! This is OE - doesn't look like phxsuns.net is coming back any time soon... I saw JCSunsfan around here too. Any other .netters here I should know about? Good to see a familiar name.

[carey]

I don't think it's a risk at all. I'd do it, but I imagine the Pacers would like to at least get back their own pick or something if they were to do that, maybe more.

Not getting a 2014 1st for half a year of a guy that hasn't played in two years.