MVP discussion thread

Joao Saraiva · Post #1181 » by **Joao Saraiva** » Sun Dec 15, 2013 1:51 am

LBJ-ITALY wrote:Lebron has to elevate his game a lot if he wants to catch Durante! He has to grabb more rebounds and stop to make all these stupid turnovers!

In 2 of the last 3 games LeBron got 14 rebounds. Is that enough rebounding for you or you want him to go for Wilt's record?

big_ticket · Post #1182 » by **big_ticket** » Sun Dec 15, 2013 2:30 am

lebron all the way baby 8-)

Dame Lizard · Post #1183 » by **Dame Lizard** » Sun Dec 15, 2013 3:11 am

Aldridge with:

20 points (10/15 FG)
16 rebounds
5 assists
1 block
1 steal

and he only played in the first 3 quarters (29 minutes). His rebounding has been beast this year.

Rasho_libre · Post #1184 » by **Rasho_libre** » Sun Dec 15, 2013 3:49 am

Joao Saraiva wrote:
LBJ-ITALY wrote:Lebron has to elevate his game a lot if he wants to catch Durante! He has to grabb more rebounds and stop to make all these stupid turnovers!

In 2 of the last 3 games LeBron got 14 rebounds. Is that enough rebounding for you or you want him to go for Wilt's record?

With Lebron you know what you are getting, he will round out to 27/8/7(for raw stat lovers. It's nots like he has anything to prove to you guys) once again by the end of the season. Difference is he'll keep his efficiency probably around what it is now, slightly hovering around 60 fg% and about 67-68 ts and will surpass that 30 per once again. For Durant to win the MVP he has to play like this (his own current production) for the remainder of the year. Yeah it's hard but that's what he has to do to get the MVP, when a guy like Lebron runs the league. Also the h2h, he has to win one at the least. He can't let Lebron come in again and flaunt his talents and toy with the okc crowd. More importantly in those h2hs, he has to guard Lebron, because you know Lebron will def be guarding him.

xStanton27 · Post #1185 » by **xStanton27** » Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:48 am

25/9/9 tonight for the King

BayInferno · Post #1186 » by **BayInferno** » Sun Dec 15, 2013 6:49 am

LMA 20/16/5 in 29 minutes

NinjaSheppard · Post #1187 » by **NinjaSheppard** » Sun Dec 15, 2013 7:19 am

Hypothetical

If Aldridge won the MVP would that be a better or a worse choice than Rose winning the MVP?

Laazard · Post #1188 » by **Laazard** » Sun Dec 15, 2013 8:56 am

Better choice, much better.

Aldridge is a superb offensive big, plus he gives you good defense. Rose just isn't and never was that good.

Post #1189 » by **kingkirk** » Sun Dec 15, 2013 9:19 am

Laazard wrote:Better choice, much better.

Aldridge is a superb offensive big, plus he gives you good defense. Rose just isn't and never was that good.

No, he never was that good.

Post #1190 » by **Doctor MJ** » Sun Dec 15, 2013 9:34 am

NinjaSheppard wrote:Hypothetical

If Aldridge won the MVP would that be a better or a worse choice than Rose winning the MVP?

Eh, thing is: I don't see what Aldridge argument even is. He's a great player, but no matter how you look at it, someone else is contributing more impact.

The thing with Rose was that there actually was a narrative for him. There was never any doubt that that narrative was entirely dependent on bad luck on the part of other players, but at least it existed.

Laazard · Post #1191 » by **Laazard** » Sun Dec 15, 2013 11:36 am

KingCuban wrote:
Laazard wrote:Better choice, much better.

Aldridge is a superb offensive big, plus he gives you good defense. Rose just isn't and never was that good.

No, he never was that good.

The thing with smaller guys is - they are ALWAYS in worse position than big guys. PG/SG rarely have big impact on defense. To be MVP worthy PG's impact on offfense have to be all time great (Nash is a good example of that). Rose is a good player but he's nowhere near Nash on offense + he's nothing special on defense. He won MVP but he wasn't MVP-worthy kind of player.

Aldridge is very underrated in terms of defense and actually overall as well. I looked yesterday at his RAPM and it seems that he is one of the better players in the league consistently since 2009. That's a feat.

Hans Embiid · Post #1192 » by **Hans Embiid** » Sun Dec 15, 2013 12:27 pm

Laazard wrote:Better choice, much better.

Aldridge is a superb offensive big, plus he gives you good defense. Rose just isn't and never was that good.

Rose was better. He led a mediocre team to 62 and 50 wins in 66 games.

They were 6-3 with a bad Rose now 9-13. Nuff said.

Lost92Bricks · Post #1193 » by **Lost92Bricks** » Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:19 pm

CP3 just had a 38/12 on 100.8 TS% game.

He's now averaging 19.7 - 11.5 - 4.6 - 2.3 on 125 ORTG - 28.3 PER.

19 double doubles in 24 games.

Scored or assisted on 48% of the Clippers field goals. By far the most in the league.

I know everybody wants to talk about Bron and KD, but CP3 deserves some recognition.

Clipsz 4 Life · Post #1194 » by **Tim Lehrbach** » Sun Dec 15, 2013 5:48 pm

Doctor MJ wrote:
NinjaSheppard wrote:Hypothetical

If Aldridge won the MVP would that be a better or a worse choice than Rose winning the MVP?

Eh, thing is: I don't see what Aldridge argument even is. He's a great player, but no matter how you look at it, someone else is contributing more impact.

The thing with Rose was that there actually was a narrative for him. There was never any doubt that that narrative was entirely dependent on bad luck on the part of other players, but at least it existed.

It's not likely at all, but there is a path to MVP for Aldridge. The narrative would go something like this: Blazers win 60 games and the Northwest Division crown over the Thunder. Aldridge does 24/11 with historically low turnover totals for the best offense in the NBA. The Blazers remain the story of the season and the media falls in love with their humble leader.

Amare_1_Knicks · Post #1195 » by **Amare_1_Knicks** » Sun Dec 15, 2013 7:05 pm

NinjaSheppard wrote:Hypothetical

If Aldridge won the MVP would that be a better or a worse choice than Rose winning the MVP?

About the same I'd say.

Rose was completely deserving of the award. 25/4/8 on good percentages, and his team was first in the east by 4 games. I don't see why or how he wasn't deserving of the award. Conversely, I don't see how Aldridge wouldn't be deserving of the award if the Blazers keep going on this torrid pace. Should the Blazers finish with the best record in the league -- and Aldridge maintains his 24/11/3 statline, then there's no reason he shouldn't win it. Give credit where credits due -- he'd be the best player on the best team in basketball .

BayInferno · Post #1196 » by **BayInferno** » Sun Dec 15, 2013 8:08 pm

Doctor MJ wrote:
NinjaSheppard wrote:Hypothetical

If Aldridge won the MVP would that be a better or a worse choice than Rose winning the MVP?

Eh, thing is: I don't see what Aldridge argument even is. He's a great player, but no matter how you look at it, someone else is contributing more impact.

The thing with Rose was that there actually was a narrative for him. There was never any doubt that that narrative was entirely dependent on bad luck on the part of other players, but at least it existed.

If Portland comes off of a 33-49 record and is led by LMA to 60+ wins this year, while he averages 23/11 and comes up big against the big teams (OKC. Indiana, Houston), then there's definitely a narrative.

Woodsanity · Post #1197 » by **Woodsanity** » Sun Dec 15, 2013 8:52 pm

THE GOAT ROSE wrote:
Laazard wrote:Better choice, much better.

Aldridge is a superb offensive big, plus he gives you good defense. Rose just isn't and never was that good.

Rose was better. He led a mediocre team to 62 and 50 wins in 66 games.

They were 6-3 with a bad Rose now 9-13. Nuff said.

Your username is THE GOAT ROSE enough said and the 50 wins is an argument against Rose considering he was out nearly half the season. Better winning % when your superstar is out nearly half the season? Also making it to the 2nd round without Rose? Yea his team is pretty stacked and always has been.

The Bulls are 9-13 without Rose since they don't care to get a good record anymore. It only leads to a worse pick.

Andi Obst · Post #1198 » by **Andi Obst** » Sun Dec 15, 2013 8:57 pm

Woodsanity wrote:The Bulls are 9-13 without Rose since they don't care to get a good record anymore.

I wish they wouldn't care about their record but the Bulls actually do.

Woodsanity · Post #1199 » by **Woodsanity** » Sun Dec 15, 2013 9:23 pm

Little Nathan wrote:
Woodsanity wrote:The Bulls are 9-13 without Rose since they don't care to get a good record anymore.

I wish they wouldn't care about their record but the Bulls actually do.

They miss guys like Nate and Belinelli. No offense.

QPR · Post #1200 » by **QPR** » Sun Dec 15, 2013 9:43 pm

Lost92Bricks wrote:CP3 just had a 38/12 on 100.8 TS% game.

He's now averaging 19.7 - 11.5 - 4.6 - 2.3 on 125 ORTG - 28.3 PER.

19 double doubles in 24 games.

Scored or assisted on 48% of the Clippers field goals. By far the most in the league.

I know everybody wants to talk about Bron and KD, but CP3 deserves some recognition.

He deserves recognition but he's not even in the MVP of his own conference. He's never going to win it if they have a worse record than the Thunder, and possibly Portland.