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dballislife wrote:wiggins can be a great nba player, but no way is he looking like a for sure star, let alone for sure franchise changing superstar
jeffya2 wrote:dballislife wrote:wiggins can be a great nba player, but no way is he looking like a for sure star, let alone for sure franchise changing superstar
Wiggins has great potential but lacks the drive,heart & ALPHA mentality needed to be an allstar
He floats & disappears for large parts of the game, & only plays hard in spurts
I think we will have a shot @ him with our 8 -10th pick
Randle McMurphy wrote:jeffya2 wrote:dballislife wrote:wiggins can be a great nba player, but no way is he looking like a for sure star, let alone for sure franchise changing superstar
Wiggins has great potential but lacks the drive,heart & ALPHA mentality needed to be an allstar
He floats & disappears for large parts of the game, & only plays hard in spurts
I think we will have a shot @ him with our 8 -10th pick
Boogie! wrote:Scarface844 wrote:I apologize if what im about to say has already been said. The Wiggins and Jabari scenario reminds me of Lebron and Melo in the 03 draft. There was a lot of hype behind Lebrons athleticism while being considered a weak jump shooter.
He was also considered very raw and had a long way to go in developing his skills. He was also coming to the NBA straight out of high school.
Melo on the other hand played in college, and while their was a lot of hype behind Lebron and his athleticism (Wiggins) Melo was considered more developed, less raw and was considered the safer option (Jabari).
Lebrons potential defensively and all around was crazy (Wiggins). He was also the hometown hero much like Wiggins would be for Toronto.
Melo was considered a natural scorer who could play both the SF or PF (Jabari) and while his scoring was there and would continue to improve, defensively he wouldnt improve by much.
My point with all this is for those saying go with Jabari or go with someone whos safer needs to understand its not just Wiggins being from Toronto that he needs to come here.
His athleticism is the once every generation type much like Lebron. Wiggins has more risk but the reward is even greater if he develops properly. With Masai, a new FO, and soon to be new coaches and players I have no doubt that, that's what will happen, so im willing to risk it all on Wiggins potential.
that's kind of bs. lebron had pg skills with forward size and elite athleticism from the get go. his jumpshot was a weakness yes. but he was a more refined player than wiggins. so far, wiggins main strength is his athleticism only... he seems to be a capable defender, but he doesn't have the ball skills and vision that lebron had. that being said the kansas system doesn't favour him offensively and i think his skillset would translate better to the nba.
and lebron is literally a freak of nature with his width, his length, his strength, his athleticism, his speed. he's just a beast and not many people are built like he is which is one of the main reasons he's so good. combine that with his amazing basketball iq and you have possibly the G.O.A.T. wiggins on the other hand, is pretty damn skinny and doesn't look very strong physically. and he doesn't really have wide shoulders either, so it's not like he's gonna fill out and get jacked.
Randle McMurphy wrote:Yosemite Dan wrote:You can't see the forest from the trees but then I'm not suprised. If the Raps drafted Wiggins at #1, you know what kind of marketing drive that would result? MLSE would make him out to be the next Jordan and if he faltered as in a Bargs (I consider Bargs to be a partial bust) type of career where he shows occasional flashes but can never bring it together for a sustained period and the team continues to wallow in mediocrity for several years as they try to build a team to best suit him then yeah it would kill interest in the fanbase. The average fan would think if we screwed it up with Wiggins then what's the point.
Yet again, you've missed the point. The Raptors are one of the worst organizations in major professional sports as it is. Since Vince Carter was dealt, basketball has become just another niche sport in the city/country. Nobody watches them on television (they get a fraction of the ratings of teams like the Leafs, the Jays and even curling). The serious fans believe the organization is a joke and the casuals (when actually devote any attention at all to them) have come to the same conclusion. They're fortunate to get decent attendance they do, but that isn't going to last either once Masai blows up the team and destroys all of Colangelo's false hope for good. You talk about a possible Wiggins bust killing fan interest, but what kind of situation do you think we're dealing with right now? A positive one?
It can't get much worse than a situation where nobody cares. And that's exactly what faces the Toronto Raptors right now.Look at what kind of mess this team is in now because of the Bargs experiment. You don't think almost every move the team made after drafting Wiggins would be to try and get the team to gel around him and if he failed to live up to expecatations then we would be spinning our wheels yet again.
We're already spinning our wheels. All that drafting Wiggins (or any of these other potential stars in either this draft or future ones) will do is give the franchise a chance to give out of that pattern. That's the point of doing it. That's the point of getting high-ceiling prospects even if they bust. That's the point of accumulating future assets in the greater scheme of things. If it all doesn't work, you're just back in the same depressing mess that you're in right now. There's no reason not to give it a shot and look for that next Vince Carter.I thought you were only annoying on the baseball board but your special talent spreads across 2 sports.
Of course, you're every bit as much of a troll everywhere. Talking about Wiggins like he's a bust because he had a bad December game (I should note that you rather noticeably didn't post after either of Wiggins' two previous games where he completely went off on his opponents in hostile road environments) and suggesting ridiculously that the franchise would never recover if they drafted him. Yeah, I'd say you came in here specifically for that purpose.
rapsfan31 wrote:Does anyone have a comparison of Wiggins with Giannis?
Based on what I have seen I seem to like Giannis more than Wiggins!
I think that Giannis has a higher ceiling than Wiggins!
Choker wrote:rapsfan31 wrote:Does anyone have a comparison of Wiggins with Giannis?
Based on what I have seen I seem to like Giannis more than Wiggins!
I think that Giannis has a higher ceiling than Wiggins!
Giannis is even more raw than Wiggins and not nearly as smooth of an athlete.
Yosemite Dan wrote:Randle McMurphy wrote:Yosemite Dan wrote:You can't see the forest from the trees but then I'm not suprised. If the Raps drafted Wiggins at #1, you know what kind of marketing drive that would result? MLSE would make him out to be the next Jordan and if he faltered as in a Bargs (I consider Bargs to be a partial bust) type of career where he shows occasional flashes but can never bring it together for a sustained period and the team continues to wallow in mediocrity for several years as they try to build a team to best suit him then yeah it would kill interest in the fanbase. The average fan would think if we screwed it up with Wiggins then what's the point.
Yet again, you've missed the point. The Raptors are one of the worst organizations in major professional sports as it is. Since Vince Carter was dealt, basketball has become just another niche sport in the city/country. Nobody watches them on television (they get a fraction of the ratings of teams like the Leafs, the Jays and even curling). The serious fans believe the organization is a joke and the casuals (when actually devote any attention at all to them) have come to the same conclusion. They're fortunate to get decent attendance they do, but that isn't going to last either once Masai blows up the team and destroys all of Colangelo's false hope for good. You talk about a possible Wiggins bust killing fan interest, but what kind of situation do you think we're dealing with right now? A positive one?
It can't get much worse than a situation where nobody cares. And that's exactly what faces the Toronto Raptors right now.Look at what kind of mess this team is in now because of the Bargs experiment. You don't think almost every move the team made after drafting Wiggins would be to try and get the team to gel around him and if he failed to live up to expecatations then we would be spinning our wheels yet again.
We're already spinning our wheels. All that drafting Wiggins (or any of these other potential stars in either this draft or future ones) will do is give the franchise a chance to give out of that pattern. That's the point of doing it. That's the point of getting high-ceiling prospects even if they bust. That's the point of accumulating future assets in the greater scheme of things. If it all doesn't work, you're just back in the same depressing mess that you're in right now. There's no reason not to give it a shot and look for that next Vince Carter.I thought you were only annoying on the baseball board but your special talent spreads across 2 sports.
Of course, you're every bit as much of a troll everywhere. Talking about Wiggins like he's a bust because he had a bad December game (I should note that you rather noticeably didn't post after either of Wiggins' two previous games where he completely went off on his opponents in hostile road environments) and suggesting ridiculously that the franchise would never recover if they drafted him. Yeah, I'd say you came in here specifically for that purpose.
Blah, blah, blah. Congrats, your posts have bored the hell out of me. I even read it in monotone.
The Wiggins and Jabari scenario reminds me of Lebron and Melo in the 03 draft. There was a lot of hype behind Lebrons athleticism while being considered a weak jump shooter.
He was also considered very raw and had a long way to go in developing his skills. He was also coming to the NBA straight out of high school.
Melo on the other hand played in college, and while their was a lot of hype behind Lebron and his athleticism (Wiggins) Melo was considered more developed, less raw and was considered the safer option (Jabari).
Lebrons potential defensively and all around was crazy (Wiggins). He was also the hometown hero much like Wiggins would be for Toronto.
Melo was considered a natural scorer who could play both the SF or PF (Jabari) and while his scoring was there and would continue to improve, defensively he wouldnt improve by much.
My point with all this is for those saying go with Jabari or go with someone whos safer needs to understand its not just Wiggins being from Toronto that he needs to come here.
His athleticism is the once every generation type much like Lebron. Wiggins has more risk but the reward is even greater if he develops properly.
Randle McMurphy wrote:Troll on, Dan.
Kabatnaz wrote:I love how when you don't agree with someone they're the trolls .
You won't be happy unless the entire universe agrees with your assertion that contrarily to what scouts and execs say, that Embiid is going to be better than Wiggins. Never mind that this is based off of 10 games in college.
Kabatnaz wrote:I feed off of your sourness and bow to your internet toughness.
You win internet basketball forums.
Hero wrote:The Wiggins and Jabari scenario reminds me of Lebron and Melo in the 03 draft. There was a lot of hype behind Lebrons athleticism while being considered a weak jump shooter.
He was also considered very raw and had a long way to go in developing his skills. He was also coming to the NBA straight out of high school.
Melo on the other hand played in college, and while their was a lot of hype behind Lebron and his athleticism (Wiggins) Melo was considered more developed, less raw and was considered the safer option (Jabari).
Lebrons potential defensively and all around was crazy (Wiggins). He was also the hometown hero much like Wiggins would be for Toronto.
Melo was considered a natural scorer who could play both the SF or PF (Jabari) and while his scoring was there and would continue to improve, defensively he wouldnt improve by much.
My point with all this is for those saying go with Jabari or go with someone whos safer needs to understand its not just Wiggins being from Toronto that he needs to come here.
His athleticism is the once every generation type much like Lebron. Wiggins has more risk but the reward is even greater if he develops properly.
We really should stop comparing Wiggins to LeBron. It's not fair to him at all.
I do see the Parker/Melo similarity. Hopefully for Parker he turns out better...
Wiggins is very athletic. No doubt about it, especially in his second jump and his speed. LeBron is on another level when you consider what he is capable of. I mean look at his highschool videos. Look at his rookie year videos when he was the same age as Wiggins is now.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOXU8FqUPOU[/youtube]
Look at 9:33, to do that as a rookie in the NBA.