Official Suns Free Agent/Trade/Transaction Thread

[Revived]

Last thing we need to do is clog up the middle with non-3 point shooters. Horford, Monroe, and Sanders do just that. We are in games because we play defense and make a decent number of our 3-point attempts. Difference between this year and last is we spread the floor with four three point threats (Dragic, Bledsoe, Tucker, and Frye). Major bench players (Green, Markieff, and Marcus) also help spread the floor.

Love and Hayward both fit the system we are playing right now. They both can hit the 3. We already have Plumlee to rebound and play defense. If we go and get a PF/C that can't make the three we are screwed (e.g. together Plumlee and Horford can't stretch the floor).

You don't understand, if we had Horford we can just feed him in the post instead of telling him to be a girl like Frye and camp out at the 3pt line.

This whole logic that "Front court doesn't work if it doesn't have shooters everywhere" is f**ing bogus.

Indiana, San Antonio, LAC, GSW, Memphis, Denver, Chicago, Portland, etc all are playoff teams and top teams and they don't tell their PF or C to camp out at the 3 like a POS.

And btw, if you think Markieff still camps out at the 3pt line, you must not have watched a lot of Suns games this year.

[bwgood77]

Love has to be a 3-way. Can't remember who posted it but it had Love coming here and Monroe to Minnesota. The whole point is Minnesota fearing K-Love will so they'd have longterm security with Monroe being an RFA.

Len would most definitely be leaving along with the twins and probably five picks. The Lakers' is a gem and would probably be going to the Wolves.

I think Minny really needs a stretch four though.....our best best would be something like this:

Morris twins and and draft pick to Detroit
Monroe and Frye and a few picks to Minnesota (gives them frontcourt options)
Love to Phx

I'm not sure Detroit or especially Minnesota would do that, but at least it gives Minny a stretch four AND Monroe, and Detroit can move Josh Smith to 4 and have the twins off the bench.

But again, I still don't think Minny is even thinking of trading Love now unless they get some crazy good offer that makes them better AND gives them picks.

Minny is playing people well right now...blew out two teams and nearly won in SA the other day. Their last loss was without Love againt Miami, and they lost a couple before that @ Indiana and @ OKC.

[bwgood77]

Last thing we need to do is clog up the middle with non-3 point shooters. Horford, Monroe, and Sanders do just that. We are in games because we play defense and make a decent number of our 3-point attempts. Difference between this year and last is we spread the floor with four three point threats (Dragic, Bledsoe, Tucker, and Frye). Major bench players (Green, Markieff, and Marcus) also help spread the floor.

Love and Hayward both fit the system we are playing right now. They both can hit the 3. We already have Plumlee to rebound and play defense. If we go and get a PF/C that can't make the three we are screwed (e.g. together Plumlee and Horford can't stretch the floor).

You don't understand, if we had Horford we can just feed him in the post instead of telling him to be a girl like Frye and camp out at the 3pt line.

This whole logic that "Front court doesn't work if it doesn't have shooters everywhere" is f**ing bogus.

Indiana, San Antonio, LAC, GSW, Memphis, Denver, Chicago, Portland, etc all are playoff teams and top teams and they don't tell their PF or C to camp out at the 3 like a POS.

And btw, if you think Markieff still camps out at the 3pt line, you must not have watched a lot of Suns games this year.

But those teams don't play two pgs who don't shoot the three very well. If your guards can space the floor and don't NEED to drive to the rim where they are great, low post players are great. It's not that people here are against low post players, it's that with our guards (if you want to keep them as our starting backcourt) our offense would have only one good outside shooter if we had a low post four who couldn't hit the three, and Dragic and Bledsoe would have less space to drive for easier shots at the rim.

[McD for MVP]

Love has to be a 3-way. Can't remember who posted it but it had Love coming here and Monroe to Minnesota. The whole point is Minnesota fearing K-Love will so they'd have longterm security with Monroe being an RFA.

Len would most definitely be leaving along with the twins and probably five picks. The Lakers' is a gem and would probably be going to the Wolves.

I think Minny really needs a stretch four though.....our best best would be something like this:

Morris twins and and draft pick to Detroit
Monroe and Frye and a few picks to Minnesota (gives them frontcourt options)
Love to Phx

I'm not sure Detroit or especially Minnesota would do that, but at least it gives Minny a stretch four AND Monroe, and Detroit can move Josh Smith to 4 and have the twins off the bench.

But again, I still don't think Minny is even thinking of trading Love now unless they get some crazy good offer that makes them better AND gives them picks.

Minny is playing people well right now...blew out two teams and nearly won in SA the other day. Their last loss was without Love againt Miami, and they lost a couple before that @ Indiana and @ OKC.

Detroit says no.

It looks like the only way we get Love in a 3 team deal is if Dragic is involved. I love our backcourt too much to do that.

Unless somebody can come up with a crazy 4 team deal where Minny gets Barnes and Lee or something and GS gets something really really good as well. Doubt its possible though.

[McD for MVP]

If we think Hayward can stay with Hornacek for 10 mill a year, Bledsoe signs for less than max, and we shed salary on the roster (Morris twins) then we might be able to barely squeeze in Love in 2015. But that seems so unlikely.

Bledsoe/Dragic/Hayward/Love/Potential reaching Len with a bench of a developed Archie, Tucker, Frye, and Plumlee would be so Godly but its just too damn unlikely

[Revived]

Last thing we need to do is clog up the middle with non-3 point shooters. Horford, Monroe, and Sanders do just that. We are in games because we play defense and make a decent number of our 3-point attempts. Difference between this year and last is we spread the floor with four three point threats (Dragic, Bledsoe, Tucker, and Frye). Major bench players (Green, Markieff, and Marcus) also help spread the floor.

Love and Hayward both fit the system we are playing right now. They both can hit the 3. We already have Plumlee to rebound and play defense. If we go and get a PF/C that can't make the three we are screwed (e.g. together Plumlee and Horford can't stretch the floor).

You don't understand, if we had Horford we can just feed him in the post instead of telling him to be a girl like Frye and camp out at the 3pt line.

This whole logic that "Front court doesn't work if it doesn't have shooters everywhere" is f**ing bogus.

Indiana, San Antonio, LAC, GSW, Memphis, Denver, Chicago, Portland, etc all are playoff teams and top teams and they don't tell their PF or C to camp out at the 3 like a POS.

And btw, if you think Markieff still camps out at the 3pt line, you must not have watched a lot of Suns games this year.

But those teams don't play two pgs who don't shoot the three very well. If your guards can space the floor and don't NEED to drive to the rim where they are great, low post players are great. It's not that people here are against low post players, it's that with our guards (if you want to keep them as our starting backcourt) our offense would have only one good outside shooter if we had a low post four who couldn't hit the three, and Dragic and Bledsoe would have less space to drive for easier shots at the rim.

You don't need a 3pt shooter necessarily for that, just someone who can knock down a jump shot from that top of the key range.

And isn't Tucker supposedly a good 3pt shooter now? If not, we just need to find a 3 & D guy to replace him at the 3.

[Frank Lee]

In sum, you're systematically undervaluing our assets. Period.

I agree with this take. But that's alright, it's his prerogative. It's a basketball discussion forum after all. I'm rooting for Minnesota to do well actually. I hate that teams have to dump their stars due to the market they play in and bad management. Fans deserve better. So do the players.

Yo carey! This is OE - doesn't look like phxsuns.net is coming back any time soon... I saw JCSunsfan around here too. Any other .netters here I should know about? Good to see a familiar name.

You'll know by reading a few.

Just waiting for the arrival of Swingman....and his forced departure

Really though, tis a shame about .net. Was a good go-to good read and constant chuckle.

[McD for MVP]

Tucker is 6th in the league in 3pt percentage right now. That's why I think he is worth keeping as our starting small forward at his price IF we can land someone like Love with our cap space and/or assets.

We might just have to trade all of our mid/late 1st round picks for higher picks and keep the Laker pick. If all goes well we would have the same squad in 2015 plus Love and at least one young stud with loads of potential who could contribute, maybe even start right away on a contender.

[RunDogGun]

Tucker is a good three point shooter; however, he is the best from the corner three spot. But we need that shot, because both Green and Frye shoot the bulk of their threes from free throw extended to the top of the key.

I really don't understand the hate of Frye. He is a role player hat does the job he is supposed to do, and rarely goes off script. His job on offense is to draw the big out of the lanes, where Goran and Eric can do the most damage. It isn't about whether we also have Tucker, who can shoot the three. I'm not sure why that us hard for some to understand.

Stretch four and fives become increasing useful because often they bring a defense rim protector away from the block, and forces space.

Frye is coming off a year long absence from the game, and has shown signs of what he is there for. Let's give him some time before we label him a POS.

[thamadkant]

Love has to be a 3-way. Can't remember who posted it but it had Love coming here and Monroe to Minnesota. The whole point is Minnesota fearing K-Love will so they'd have longterm security with Monroe being an RFA.

Len would most definitely be leaving along with the twins and probably five picks. The Lakers' is a gem and would probably be going to the Wolves.

Which is dangerous for the Suns... an injury would derail a season or 2 and have no youth coming in..

I would keep 1 pick...

Either Suns 2014 or Lakers 2015... should NOT trade both.

[DirtyDez]

Love has to be a 3-way. Can't remember who posted it but it had Love coming here and Monroe to Minnesota. The whole point is Minnesota fearing K-Love will so they'd have longterm security with Monroe being an RFA.

Len would most definitely be leaving along with the twins and probably five picks. The Lakers' is a gem and would probably be going to the Wolves.

Which is dangerous for the Suns... an injury would derail a season or 2 and have no youth coming in..

I would keep 1 pick...

Either Suns 2014 or Lakers 2015... should NOT trade both.

Agree but that's what it'd take. Love is a top-5 player just entering his prime.

[McD for MVP]

Imagine what we could have gotten for trading our 2014 pick before the season started Lol. Oh well.

[carey]

Just waiting for the arrival of Swingman....and his forced departure

Really though, tis a shame about .net. Was a good go-to good read and constant chuckle.

Mark's a good dude. His right wing shtick is a bit much for my tastes but he's still a good guy. Say what you want about .net but there was a far better ratio of knowledgeable posters to chuckleheads there than here, that's for sure. I can't even explain how big my ignore list has gotten here at times.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Just waiting for the arrival of Swingman....and his forced departure

Really though, tis a shame about .net. Was a good go-to good read and constant chuckle.

Mark's a good dude. His right wing shtick is a bit much for my tastes but he's still a good guy. Say what you want about .net but there was a far better ratio of knowledgeable posters to chuckleheads there than here, that's for sure. I can't even explain how big my ignore list has gotten here at times.

Yeah, I had a pretty famous spat with him that led to the politics forum going down, but I agree, he's a good guy. I'm sure I'd like him if we met in person.

And agreed about .net in general. Some very smart people posting there. Seasoned, you could say. Not many heads in clouds, and remarkable kindness as well. I was just getting impatient with the progress of the site. And when I read so many posts trashing our assets, I felt compelled to register here.

GO SUNS!

[carey]

And agreed about .net in general. Some very smart people posting there. Seasoned, you could say. Not many heads in clouds, and remarkable kindness as well. I was just getting impatient with the progress of the site. And when I read so many posts trashing our assets, I felt compelled to register here.

GO SUNS!

How many other Suns forums exist where one guy has literally written a book about Basketball and another created his own statistical model. Enough said really.

[Frank Lee]

And agreed about .net in general. Some very smart people posting there. Seasoned, you could say. Not many heads in clouds, and remarkable kindness as well. I was just getting impatient with the progress of the site. And when I read so many posts trashing our assets, I felt compelled to register here.

GO SUNS!

How many other Suns forums exist where one guy has literally written a book about Basketball and another created his own statistical model. Enough said really.

And you can't forget the poet laureate.... Mr Radiant.


Well.... welcome any and all hopping on this lifeboat. Please grab an oar though, we are already full of women and children, with tendencies to paddle in a circle.

[bwgood77]

And agreed about .net in general. Some very smart people posting there. Seasoned, you could say. Not many heads in clouds, and remarkable kindness as well. I was just getting impatient with the progress of the site. And when I read so many posts trashing our assets, I felt compelled to register here.

GO SUNS!

How many other Suns forums exist where one guy has literally written a book about Basketball and another created his own statistical model. Enough said really.

Was GMATCallahan on that site? He always had well thought out posts on the espn forums, and it felt like he was copying and pasting them into posts from a book he was writing, but I've only seen him post here a handful of times.

[Jukeness]

HAHA, that was meant to be in the Wolves game thread, oops.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

And agreed about .net in general. Some very smart people posting there. Seasoned, you could say. Not many heads in clouds, and remarkable kindness as well. I was just getting impatient with the progress of the site. And when I read so many posts trashing our assets, I felt compelled to register here.

GO SUNS!

How many other Suns forums exist where one guy has literally written a book about Basketball and another created his own statistical model. Enough said really.

And you can't forget the poet laureate.... Mr Radiant.


Well.... welcome any and all hopping on this lifeboat. Please grab an oar though, we are already full of women and children, with tendencies to paddle in a circle.

Haha! Well looky here! Who'da thunk? I been reading you for years, MR. Wondered where you'd gone!

[Kerrsed]

Morey set his Dec. 19 deadline in part because he knows he has an offer he is willing to take. Though things can change several times by Thursday, that individual said "it very likely will be a pretty complicated, three-way deal. There are a lot of moving parts.

.... As much as speculation has centered around Thad Young, if the Rockets are to do a deal with Philadelphia and former Rockets assistant GM Sam Hinkie, it is more likely to be a three-team deal in which the player the Sixers trade goes elsewhere. The Rockets likely would want draft picks in a deal....

Thad Young anybody?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nncnrau

HOU gets: Frye/Okafor/IND 2014 1st
PHI gets: Asik/Lin
PHX gets: Young/Turner