Rookie impressions thread: PRESEASON/REGULAR SEASON

[Greek]

Guys where Giannis is standing on his athletic ability? on his pre draft profile he wasnt considered as an elite athlete, just very good.

[breakchains]

Guys where Giannis is standing on his athletic ability? on his pre draft profile he wasnt considered as an elite athlete, just very good.

He's not an elite athlete in terms of explosiveness/quick twitch. That's about all he lacks. He also may gain some explosion after he grows into his body and hits the weights in the offseason. He has grown a lot recently so that certainly has an effect. That's not to say that he isn't a good athlete, because he is, but compared to other guys his height who are elite athletes, such as DeAndre Jordan, he isn't quite that.

[dorkestra]

Giannis/Henson/Sanders plus Exum or Wiggins could make them contenders for a decade.

[MountainDrew]

Absolutely. I really like the situation the bucks are in. There's no denying that if they manage things correctly, they could be one of the most promising teams in the league next season.

[Winsome Gerbil]

I thought Ben McLemore was supposed to be a shooter?

They've been starting him for a month straight and he's shooting a magnificent .351. Basket is the same height right?

[dautjazz]

Giannis is averaging 6ppg 3.9rpg 1apg .5spg .7bpg, and Bucks fans are saving he's the no brainer #1? I'm sorry but a few dunks or chase blocks doesn't put you #1, don't care if he's 18, most rookies are 19-20 anyways. Potential is a bit overrated in these boards, go back and you'd probably see the same about guys like Anthony Radolph and Darius Miles, but reality is, it's better to go based on what the rookies are actually putting up, and Giannis is on the worst team in the NBA and putting up below average stats, Burke, Oladipo and MCW are a notch above him at this stage, as they are actually producing not just showing flashes or a few athletic highlights here and there.

[Baddy Chuck]

it's better to go based on what the rookies are actually putting up

13 points and 5 assists in 30 minutes a game, on efficiency that would make Brandon Jennings chuckle, on the second worst team in the league isn't exactly showing a great bit either. Nate Wolters was basically doing that starting.

I'm not saying we don't overrate Giannis, but someone saying Giannis couldn't go top 3 because of the mediocre stats Trey Burke is putting up right now is overrating just as much, especially in a redraft situation where potential surely would be brought into play.

And when Giannis get's minutes he is producing, let's not act like he's coming in and getting a dunk and going out. When he plays over like 20 minutes a game his stats are pretty respectable.

[Bernman]

Giannis is averaging 6ppg 3.9rpg 1apg .5spg .7bpg, and Bucks fans are saving he's the no brainer #1? I'm sorry but a few dunks or chase blocks doesn't put you #1, don't care if he's 18, most rookies are 19-20 anyways. Potential is a bit overrated in these boards, go back and you'd probably see the same about guys like Anthony Radolph and Darius Miles, but reality is, it's better to go based on what the rookies are actually putting up, and Giannis is on the worst team in the NBA and putting up below average stats, Burke, Oladipo and MCW are a notch above him at this stage, as they are actually producing not just showing flashes or a few athletic highlights here and there.

Are you the one fan who still judges basketball players solely off volume stats in 2013, or is it just that your name has Jazz in it, you have a Burke avatar, and he's putting up volume stats on account he's the one starting so that's your criteria?

As if you should hold it against Giannas that the Bucks have proven to possess the worst owner in major American pro sports. Giannas is not putting up much in terms of volume stats, because the owner is hell bent upon winning the max amount of games ASAP, and his philosophy on doing that is by using veterans which is why he invested so much money in them in the 1st place. Of course they're going to be playing under Herb Kohl. That means nothing.

I liked Burke b4 the draft, and still like him, but a lot of his efficiency #'s (.477 ts% (lol) vs. .559 for GA for example), his relative age, and athleticism, don't put him a notch above GA as a prospect. Saying that is equally as dumb as saying that GA is a no brainer #1 (did anyone actually say that though, or are you employing a straw man?). There is no standout prospect from this draft. Everybody has their issues. Any of several guys could go #1 in a redraft just like in the original when Bennett did. I'd be inclined to think most GM's would go Giannas over Burke though because of all the variables I mentioned. They wouldn't be foolish enough to hold Milwaukee's foolishness against the player.

[dautjazz]

Giannis is averaging 6ppg 3.9rpg 1apg .5spg .7bpg, and Bucks fans are saving he's the no brainer #1? I'm sorry but a few dunks or chase blocks doesn't put you #1, don't care if he's 18, most rookies are 19-20 anyways. Potential is a bit overrated in these boards, go back and you'd probably see the same about guys like Anthony Radolph and Darius Miles, but reality is, it's better to go based on what the rookies are actually putting up, and Giannis is on the worst team in the NBA and putting up below average stats, Burke, Oladipo and MCW are a notch above him at this stage, as they are actually producing not just showing flashes or a few athletic highlights here and there.

Are you the one fan who still judges basketball players solely off volume stats in 2013, or is it just that your name has Jazz in it, you have a Burke avatar, and he's putting up volume stats on account he's the one starting so that's your criteria?

As if you should hold it against Giannas that the Bucks have proven to possess the worst owner in major American pro sports. Giannas is not putting up much in terms of volume stats, because the owner is hell bent upon winning the max amount of games ASAP, and his philosophy on doing that is by using veterans which is why he invested so much money in them in the 1st place. Of course they're going to be playing under Herb Kohl. That means nothing.

I liked Burke b4 the draft, and still like him, but a lot of his efficiency #'s (.477 ts% (lol) vs. .559 for GA for example), his relative age, and athleticism, don't put him a notch above GA as a prospect. Saying that is equally as dumb as saying that GA is a no brainer #1 (did anyone actually say that though, or are you employing a straw man?). There is no standout prospect from this draft. Everybody has their issues. Any of several guys could go #1 in a redraft just like in the original when Bennett did. I'd be inclined to think most GM's would go Giannas over Burke though because of all the variables I mentioned. They wouldn't be foolish enough to hold Milwaukee's foolishness against the player.

Volume stats? I'm using per game stats, if you can't hit 20mpg on the Bucks, that's really saying something about you. Burke is putting up 29mpg, and he came back from injury a month ago, better to look at his last 10 games: 31.8mpg 14.9ppg 3.4rpg 5.8apg .1bpg .9spg 1.1to. He'll likely keep on at that pace or better than the 13/3/5 his current average shows. That's very good for a rookie. I know his shooting is bad so far, he'll improve that, but you can't deny he isn't far ahead of Giannis at this stage.

[Bernman]

Giannis is averaging 6ppg 3.9rpg 1apg .5spg .7bpg, and Bucks fans are saving he's the no brainer #1? I'm sorry but a few dunks or chase blocks doesn't put you #1, don't care if he's 18, most rookies are 19-20 anyways. Potential is a bit overrated in these boards, go back and you'd probably see the same about guys like Anthony Radolph and Darius Miles, but reality is, it's better to go based on what the rookies are actually putting up, and Giannis is on the worst team in the NBA and putting up below average stats, Burke, Oladipo and MCW are a notch above him at this stage, as they are actually producing not just showing flashes or a few athletic highlights here and there.

Are you the one fan who still judges basketball players solely off volume stats in 2013, or is it just that your name has Jazz in it, you have a Burke avatar, and he's putting up volume stats on account he's the one starting so that's your criteria?

As if you should hold it against Giannas that the Bucks have proven to possess the worst owner in major American pro sports. Giannas is not putting up much in terms of volume stats, because the owner is hell bent upon winning the max amount of games ASAP, and his philosophy on doing that is by using veterans which is why he invested so much money in them in the 1st place. Of course they're going to be playing under Herb Kohl. That means nothing.

I liked Burke b4 the draft, and still like him, but a lot of his efficiency #'s (.477 ts% (lol) vs. .559 for GA for example), his relative age, and athleticism, don't put him a notch above GA as a prospect. Saying that is equally as dumb as saying that GA is a no brainer #1 (did anyone actually say that though, or are you employing a straw man?). There is no standout prospect from this draft. Everybody has their issues. Any of several guys could go #1 in a redraft just like in the original when Bennett did. I'd be inclined to think most GM's would go Giannas over Burke though because of all the variables I mentioned. They wouldn't be foolish enough to hold Milwaukee's foolishness against the player.

Volume stats? I'm using per game stats, if you can't hit 20mpg on the Bucks, that's really saying something about you. Burke is putting up 29mpg, and he came back from injury a month ago, better to look at his last 10 games: 31.8mpg 14.9ppg 3.4rpg 5.8apg .1bpg .9spg 1.1to. He'll likely keep on at that pace or better than the 13/3/5 his current average shows. That's very good for a rookie. I know his shooting is bad so far, he'll improve that, but you can't deny he isn't far ahead of Giannis at this stage.

Per game stats are volume stats (as opposed to efficiency stats with those numbers you're listing mean next to nothing without) and I explained the reasoning behind him not playing. You're using the Bucks' front office as an authority, when the last 20 years have proven they're not. They've won 42% of their games over that span. If they make a decision, assume the obvious one would have been right. They didn't play Tobias Harris his first two years either. What were his stats as soon as they traded him? He averaged 17 points and 9 rebounds on the Magic the rest of the season, and the points were on much better efficiency (52.4 ts%) than Burke's are right now. So the Bucks not playing Giannas much means little about his ability.

I can deny that Burke is far ahead of Giannas at this stage, and I will. Burke's points mean nothing right now because of his efficiency or lack there of. He's a negative when he shoots (47.7 ts% when league average is about 53). If he put up 40 points, it would be at an even bigger detriment to his team. Plus he's not defending well supposedly. The only thing he's doing well on an efficiency basis is passing (6.2 asts per 36 to 1.7 to). Right now Giannas is doing everything effectively from scoring with efficiency, to passing, to rebounding, to defense. So you can't deny he isn't far ahead of Burke at this point. The geniuses in the Bucks' F.O. just have to make a decision correctly for a change and play him in spite of his age, then you'll see his volume stats explode like Tobias'.

[Apollo64]

I don't get the hate for Burke, i think he's going to be a damn good player.

[Brapman]

Meanwhile, in the what in god's name are the Kings doing department:

McLemore in a lineup with gunner Gay, gunner Cousins, and gunner PG Thomas, took an entire 4 shots tonight and made one, and did virtually nothing else of note (based on the boxscore).

The Gay trade turns this guy into a total spectator. This is NOT going to work out well for him or the Kings.

[Catchall]

Giannis and Carter-Williams were higher-risk and higher-upside players compared to Trey Burke. The Jazz have been relatively conservative drafters with their 1st-round picks and went with Burke as a solid starting-caliber PG, but the other two players seem to be panning out. I think Burke is probably a top-5 player in this draft class, which is decent value for a #9 pick. Burke should grow to become a 15-pt. / 8-9-assist PG with decent efficiency and probably be in the top 10-12 PGs in the league within a couple years. He's not flashy, but he does the things the Jazz want a PG to do.

[Catchall]

Trey Burke had 20pts 2rbs 5asts 2tos, shooting 9/18 vs the Spurs tonight. He held Parker to 15/5/7, shooting just 6/15. Jazz lost, it's ok I expected it, but happy about Burke continuing to outplay PGs around the league like Isiaah Thomas, Ty Lawson, and now even Parker.

Burke also looked good going against Eric Bledsoe. He had trouble defending Goran Dragic though.

[dautjazz]

Trey Burke had 20pts 2rbs 5asts 2tos, shooting 9/18 vs the Spurs tonight. He held Parker to 15/5/7, shooting just 6/15. Jazz lost, it's ok I expected it, but happy about Burke continuing to outplay PGs around the league like Isiaah Thomas, Ty Lawson, and now even Parker.

Burke also looked good going against Eric Bledsoe. He had trouble defending Goran Dragic though.

Dragic going ape s*** on the league right now, so I aint surprised. I don't remember though if Burke was covering Bledsoe or Dragic though.

[B-easy]

The first time i watched giannis i was like " damn" how can this guy handle the ball like that. He has some nice advanced offensive skills.

[Diggr14]

Right now, if there was a re-draft Giannis would go #1. I don't even think it's close.

If you've watched him play during his limited action, you can see that the Bucks are protecting him, and when he does play he is a can't miss superstar in the making. He will play more and more as the season wears on. 35 minutes in his last game. Respectable result too.

[bizarro]

Absolutely. I really like the situation the bucks are in. There's no denying that if they manage things correctly, they could be one of the most promising teams in the league next season.

Bucks managing things correctly...

Please.

[XtotheDeezy]

Right now, if there was a re-draft Giannis would go #1. I don't even think it's close.

If you've watched him play during his limited action, you can see that the Bucks are protecting him, and when he does play he is a can't miss superstar in the making. He will play more and more as the season wears on. 35 minutes in his last game. Respectable result too.

Sure. He could go #1, but so could Oladipo and MCW. It's close.

[GREENE1148]

I still see Trey Burke turning out like D.J. Augustin, as I predicted pre-draft... sorry Jazz fans, but he's done nothing thus far to seperate himself from that comparison.