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Does Hardn remind anyone else of Gilbert Arenas?

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Re: Does Hardn remind anyone else of Gilbert Arenas? 

Post#21 » by tha_rock220 » Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:04 am

minimalist1972 wrote:I just think Harden's an Arenas-type player. And, like Arenas, he'll peak early. Especially when you play the kind of game he does, getting 40% of your points by drawing fouls, he'll age like a big man rather than a guard. Also, like Arenas, especially now that he's been away from the OKC totalitarian bubble for a while, he'll care increasingly less about getting a chip--or, more likely, he's probably assuming that eventually he'll automatically get one (and guys like that never win). I just don't think he's that special. And I don't think this team, at least as they are presently configured, will be a contender. They still need a real alpha leader. Neither Dwight nor Harden is such a leader. Perennial second-round fodder is what, I think, they are.


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Re: Does Hardn remind anyone else of Gilbert Arenas? 

Post#22 » by minimalist1972 » Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:15 am

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minimalist1972 wrote:I just think Harden's an Arenas-type player. And, like Arenas, he'll peak early. Especially when you play the kind of game he does, getting 40% of your points by drawing fouls, he'll age like a big man rather than a guard. Also, like Arenas, especially now that he's been away from the OKC totalitarian bubble for a while, he'll care increasingly less about getting a chip--or, more likely, he's probably assuming that eventually he'll automatically get one (and guys like that never win). I just don't think he's that special. And I don't think this team, at least as they are presently configured, will be a contender. They still need a real alpha leader. Neither Dwight nor Harden is such a leader. Perennial second-round fodder is what, I think, they are.


Yes we all know what a vocal leader Tim Duncan has been in San Antonio...

Yeah we need a leader, but doesn't have to come from the top player on a team. It can be from the coach. Whether McHale is it or not is another question entirely...

Way to go out on a limb that we're not a currently a contender...

Dwight already made the finals once FYI...

I don't know what to say about aging like a big man, that is silly. Maybe you meant age like DWade...


Hard for me to tell which of your sentences are ironic and which are not.

Vocal = leadership? Never said that. Of course, Duncan is a vocal leader. He's constantly talking to his dudes on the bench, and he's definitely vocal in practice. He just doesn't make a scene. But you don't have to be vocal to lead. You can, for instance, lead by example. Larry Bird comes to mind. Kareem, another.

If the present configuration is preserved with no third superstar acquisition or trade of one of their current star for a better one, I'll go out on a limb right now and say they'll never win.

Dwight made the finals already? Oh, reeeeeeeally? Thanks for the info, dude.

Big men age more quickly than guards because they take a lot more pounding and they wear down more quickly as a consequence. Harden takes a lot of pounding because that's how he gets 40% of his points. Therefore, I'm afraid he'll age for reasons that age big men. Is that silly? Wade's aged very quickly because he's lived off of his explosiveness--kinda like DRose. I don't think that's going to be Harden's problem. But I do think he'll peak early. In fact, I think we're seeing it right now. At age 24, around when Gil peaked.
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Re: Does Hardn remind anyone else of Gilbert Arenas? 

Post#23 » by BaYBaller » Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:58 am

Rarely is there a successful team without a vocal leader to take charge. Leading by example is good of course, but it's not true leadership. Popovich is the true general over at San Antonio. If you're trying to say Harden and Dwight specifically are not leading by example that's something else entirely, and to compare them to Arenas who was stupid enough to bring guns into the locker room is more than a stretch.

Also if you think the wear and tear on a big man is the same as a guard well... I don't know if your trolling or what but it's not the same. Dwade comparison BC he was an attacking guard.

Dwight finals remark was in reference to 2nd round fodder. I think most believe we have a better overall roster than that magic team

I don't even know the point of this post. First you try to compare their games, which aren't really alike, and then when ppl point that out you move on to a comparison of their intangibles. Are you just throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks?

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Re: Does Hardn remind anyone else of Gilbert Arenas? 

Post#24 » by minimalist1972 » Tue Dec 10, 2013 3:04 am

BaYBaller wrote:Rarely is there a successful team without a vocal leader to take charge. Leading by example is good of course, but it's not true leadership. Popovich is the true general over at San Antonio. If you're trying to say Harden and Dwight specifically are not leading by example that's something else entirely, and to compare them to Arenas who was stupid enough to bring guns into the locker room is more than a stretch.

Also if you think the wear and tear on a big man is the same as a guard well... I don't know if your trolling or what but it's not the same. Dwade comparison BC he was an attacking guard.

Dwight finals remark was in reference to 2nd round fodder. I think most believe we have a better overall roster than that magic team

I don't even know the point of this post. First you try to compare their games, which aren't really alike, and then when ppl point that out you move on to a comparison of their intangibles. Are you just throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks?

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Maybe it's just subjective, but I posted a video in my op of Gil's offensive highlights. To me, they LOOK like very similar type players; optically, they're very similar. Their stat numbers are also very similar. Similar size and weight, similar styles. One major difference is that Gil didn't draw as many fouls as Harden. But both are score-first dominant ball-handlers. Optically, though, I think their styles do look alike. The post to which you replied was a response to some commenters who compared Harden to MJ. Now THAT, my friend, is hyperbolic. I liked Arenas. He was a good player. In his day, people thought he was something special too. I like Harden. I think he is a very good player. I just don't think he's the leader on a championship team.

I infer from your reply that you believe that since the Rockets are a better team than Dwight's Magic team, and Dwight made it to the Finals in 2009, that the Rox should do better than the second round with the team currently configured. Or at least that there is no reason for someone to believe that they couldn't do better. But that suggests that the West just isn't a whole lot tougher than the East, that Dwight is as good as he was in Orlando, that a group of role-players and shooters tailor-made for Dwight in Orlando wasn't a difference-maker, and that Stan Van Gundy isn't one helluva coach. I would disagree with those suggestions.

As to the point of my post, look at the title. That's the point of it. I just think they're similar kinda players. That's all.
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Re: Does Hardn remind anyone else of Gilbert Arenas? 

Post#25 » by KJSharp1 » Wed Dec 11, 2013 1:00 am

Is there a reason why we don't cut Harden's minutes to 32-35 per game? That should give him a bit more energy to play defense.
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Re: Does Hardn remind anyone else of Gilbert Arenas? 

Post#26 » by NamelessHero » Wed Dec 11, 2013 9:03 am

KJSharp1 wrote:Is there a reason why we don't cut Harden's minutes to 32-35 per game? That should give him a bit more energy to play defense.


yeah i am really curious to learn that too....

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Re: Does Hardn remind anyone else of Gilbert Arenas? 

Post#27 » by 000001 » Mon Dec 16, 2013 3:11 am

dunleavyjr wrote:The way Harden shoots the ball reminds me of Cattino Mobley.


hahaha thats true
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