Omer Asik Trade - Updated link pg.109

Avalanche · Post #141 » by **Avalanche** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 3:21 am

IF we did pull off something based around Bass with Lee/Bogans and a pick...

We suddenly have Rondo/Bradley/Green/Sully/Asik, which in itself is solid

Humps expiring contract and that collection of picks, KO, Fav etc become one of the league's biggest trade packages at the deadline... What if Love gives up on Minny, Melo demands out of NY etc...

Could be a very quick turn around..

Man, my outlook on this season and what we should do with it almost changes daily, its going to be an entertaining couple of months up til the deadline

Fencer reregistered · Post #142 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 3:25 am

x- wrote:
Fencer reregistered wrote:
x- wrote:Hey guys, Rockets fan here.

Not really buying the Green and Bass report. Seems like Stein only threw out there because of their salary. Bass is a fine player, but about as close to an anti-Morey player as it gets. Don't think the Rockets value Green quite as highly as the Celtics do either.

I can buy however that there may be a deal that works for both teams and I do think the Rockets would be very much interested in Bradley as a 3rd guard off the bench and possibly their starter down the road, if he can improve his 3-point shooting.

Bass is anti-Morey how? Which is to say, what's a Morey player?

Morey loves PFs that have 3-point range and are able to handle it and create off the drrible and push it up the floor after grabbing rebounds.
Morey doesn't like PFs, or really any players, that excel at taking mid-range jumpers.

Got it.

Sounds like Jim O'Brien would be a perfect coach for him.

BRUNiNHO91 · Post #143 » by **BRUNiNHO91** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 3:25 am

I would be absolutely shocked if Danny trades Green for Asik. I would give them a choice of Bass/Lee/Bogans/Brooks + the Clippers pick like caveman said. Nothing more. Certainly not Brooklyn's picks or any of our main guys. But yeah like mentioned above, Danny trying to get in on Asik is kind of funny. IMO if completed without losing Green, AB, Sully, Kelly, Rondo or Crawford we would immediately turn into a 2nd round playoff team. Hard to think we wouldn't take out the Hawks or Pistons with Rondo and Asik on board.

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Avalanche wrote:IF we did pull off something based around Bass with Lee/Bogans and a pick...

We suddenly have Rondo/Bradley/Green/Sully/Asik, which in itself is solid

Humps expiring contract and that collection of picks, KO, Fav etc become one of the league's biggest trade packages at the deadline... What if Love gives up on Minny, Melo demands out of NY etc...

Could be a very quick turn around..

Man, my outlook on this season and what we should do with it almost changes daily, its going to be an entertaining couple of months up til the deadline

Good luck scoring against that team

shawn unkempt · Post #145 » by **shawn unkempt** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 3:31 am

I think we are a worse team if we trade Green for Asik and it doesn't really make sense to me because trading for Asik would be a win now move.

Celts17Pride · Post #146 » by **Celts17Pride** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 3:40 am

sully00 wrote:I would think that Boston is the only team that is willing to include a 1st round pick so that is likely going to help in any conversation and as this conversation goes along Bass/Bogans and the Clippers pick make more and more sense. The Green trade doesn't really make sense to me, if we are dealing Green it shouldn't be in a win now deal.

Agree 100%. Jeff Green deal makes no sense but something with Bass makes much more sense because the Celtics have a ton of PF.

CelticFaninLBC · Post #147 » by **CelticFaninLBC** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:04 am

While Green & Asik are about even statistically, such a deal doesn't make sense for Boston unless they're also getting Chandler Parsons to play the 3. No idea who else Boston would have to give up to make that happen though...

Green89 · Post #148 » by **Green89** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:09 am

I've had this feeling since the Asik trade rumours started that he'd end up in green, just not at the expense of Jeff Green! Danny would be a fool to trade a guy whose been the best clutch shooter in the final minute of a game vs. a guy who'll most likely be on the bench at the end of games, due to poor free throw shooting.

Andrew McCeltic · Post #149 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:10 am

CelticFaninLBC wrote:While Green & Asik are about even statistically, such a deal doesn't make sense for Boston unless they're also getting Chandler Parsons to play the 3. No idea who else Boston would have to give up to make that happen though...

I could see them playing three guards at a time once Rondo's back.. Lee and Crawford getting minutes at the 3..

Captain_Caveman · Post #150 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:10 am

x- wrote:
Fencer reregistered wrote:
x- wrote:Hey guys, Rockets fan here.

Not really buying the Green and Bass report. Seems like Stein only threw out there because of their salary. Bass is a fine player, but about as close to an anti-Morey player as it gets. Don't think the Rockets value Green quite as highly as the Celtics do either.

I can buy however that there may be a deal that works for both teams and I do think the Rockets would be very much interested in Bradley as a 3rd guard off the bench and possibly their starter down the road, if he can improve his 3-point shooting.

Bass is anti-Morey how? Which is to say, what's a Morey player?

Morey loves PFs that have 3-point range and are able to handle it and create off the drrible and push it up the floor after grabbing rebounds.
Morey doesn't like PFs, or really any players, that excel at taking mid-range jumpers.

I've been reading clutchfans a bit, and you guys don't get it at all.

You know that Morey used to work for us, right?

You have almost no depth whatsoever past your two stars, and not a ton of assets to go get some with. Rockets fans are worried about fit when their team is trying to figure out how to get that 3rd star. That's the model he learned under here and the one he took with him to Houston.

All this you are reading about Morey trying to get multiple first rounders is him trying to reacquire enough assets to get that 3rd star. That's your whole world right now.

FWIW, collecting assets was how you got Harden in the first place.

BakersDozen · Post #151 » by **BakersDozen** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:11 am

I cant picture either Green or Parsons being involved. That being said we have a bunch of trade chips I could see Houston being interested in. Just makes too much sense, Asik has to be Boston bound.

Andrew McCeltic · Post #152 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:23 am

Captain_Caveman wrote:
x- wrote:
Fencer reregistered wrote:
Bass is anti-Morey how? Which is to say, what's a Morey player?

Morey loves PFs that have 3-point range and are able to handle it and create off the drrible and push it up the floor after grabbing rebounds.
Morey doesn't like PFs, or really any players, that excel at taking mid-range jumpers.

I've been reading clutchfans a bit, and you guys don't get it at all.

You know that Morey used to work for us, right?

You have almost no depth whatsoever past your two stars, and not a ton of assets to go get some with. Rockets fans are worried about fit when their team is trying to figure out how to get that 3rd star. That's the model he learned under here and the one he took with him to Houston.

All this you are reading about Morey trying to get multiple first rounders is him trying to reacquire enough assets to get that 3rd star. That's your whole world right now.

FWIW, collecting assets was how you got Harden in the first place.

Plus honestly I can't think of anyone other than Kevin Love who honestly fits that rebounding ball handling 3 point shooting 4 description to a T..

Shamrock · Post #153 » by **Shamrock** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:25 am

I like this... Rondo/AB/Green/Sully/Asik is solid but if were able to get a Star to place next to Rondo we might be in contention mode again.

Post #154 » by **SuperDeluxe** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:27 am

shawn unkempt wrote:I think we are a worse team if we trade Green for Asik and it doesn't really make sense to me because trading for Asik would be a win now move.

Such a move would also give the Celtics increased financial flexibility in the summer of 2015, when Asik's contract would be off the books (while Green would still have 1 year left at around 9 million, albeit a player option).

Captain_Caveman · Post #155 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:32 am

shawn unkempt wrote:I think we are a worse team if we trade Green for Asik and it doesn't really make sense to me because trading for Asik would be a win now move.

Makes sense if you believe we may be players for Hayward.

I don't think Ainge or Morey are treating their teams like near-finished products right now. They are thinking about moves that set up other moves 2-3 moves from now.

As they should be.

BRUNiNHO91 · Post #156 » by **BRUNiNHO91** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:36 am

I don't think Ainge got Green and gave him the keys to the city just to throw him away at Asik or financial flexibility. Specially not now that he's arguably playing the best basketball of his career. Green will soon fetch us a lot more than Asik.

As for the starting line up I think we would make a hard run at Hayward this summer if we got this trade done. He would fit that starting 5 better than Avery at least on the offensive end.

shawn unkempt · Post #157 » by **shawn unkempt** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:40 am

Captain_Caveman wrote:
shawn unkempt wrote:I think we are a worse team if we trade Green for Asik and it doesn't really make sense to me because trading for Asik would be a win now move.

Makes sense if you believe we may be players for Hayward.

I don't think Ainge or Morey are treating their teams like near-finished products right now. They are thinking about moves that set up other moves 2-3 moves from now.

As they should be.

Mostly I'm just worried about my sanity if I have to watch Trash in the starting lineup for an extended period of time. The thought of the spacing with Asik, Wallace and Rondo all on the floor gives me nightmares.

CelticFaninLBC · Post #158 » by **CelticFaninLBC** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:49 am

Going by Stein's rumor..

Green, Bass, LAC pick for Asik, Parsons, Brooks & Brewer...

Post #159 » by **SuperDeluxe** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:52 am

shawn unkempt wrote:Mostly I'm just worried about my sanity if I have to watch Trash in the starting lineup for an extended period of time. The thought of the spacing with Asik, Wallace and Rondo all on the floor gives me nightmares.

You're not the only one. That being said, never assume that a particular trade is the one that finishes the product. In fact, with Rondo getting ready to come back -- which would alter the current flightplan, trade or no trade, there's no way around it --. perhaps this would be the right time for a Green-Asik swap. You ease both Rondo and Asik in together. After the Asik trade, the other shoe -- to get a SF -- might fall before Rondo returns.

I'm not sure how I would feel about a trade or trades like that, but then again I don't know what Danny's masterplan is.

15th overall · Post #160 » by **15th overall** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 5:07 am

As long as we're not sending out multiple firsts, I'm on board. Jeff Green and the Clippers pick seems like a reasonable enough price for a 7-foot defensive animal just now entering his prime.

We can find someone better suited than Benzo to play the 3rd banana role anyway.. Gordon Hayward being a convenient example.