Omer Asik Trade - Updated link pg.109

Maple Green · Post #161 » by **Maple Green** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 5:11 am

I will go with Bass /Lee/ and LA Clippers pick
for Asik and Donatas

CelticFaninLBC · Post #162 » by **CelticFaninLBC** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 5:11 am

15th overall wrote:As long as we're not sending out multiple firsts, I'm on board. Jeff Green and the Clippers pick seems like a reasonable enough price for a 7-foot defensive animal just now entering his prime.

We can find someone better suited than Benzo to play the 3rd banana role anyway.. Gordon Hayward being a convenient example.

No need to throw in a pick to get Asik for Green. Now if they're dealing Bass too, and can get Parsons, who's pretty good and cheap, then throwing in a pick is fine...

redslastlaugh · Post #163 » by **redslastlaugh** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 5:19 am

Gotta imagine it's Asik and Lin if we are sending out Bass Green and a first or Bogans Green and a first. Watch for Crawford to MIA for 1st + expirings and then Heat first being rerouted to HOU.

Asik count $8m for trade salary matching. Obviously C's can't send out $15m and only take back $8m

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15th overall wrote:As long as we're not sending out multiple firsts, I'm on board. Jeff Green and the Clippers pick seems like a reasonable enough price for a 7-foot defensive animal just now entering his prime.

Asik has also bitched and sat out like a child because he wasn't happy. He is a very good defender, but is a horrible shooter and has some of the worst hands in the league. I do not think trading Green for Asik is how Danny works, but Bass and some additional assets? Sounds exactly like Danny to me.

15th overall wrote:We can find someone better suited than Benzo to play the 3rd banana role anyway.. Gordon Hayward being a convenient example.

For 8 million a year? Not sure you can

Hayward is restricted and wants much more money than Green and is not much better, if at all.

tfmiii · Post #165 » by **tfmiii** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 5:35 am

could be Hou asking for green and we are offering bass, that way Stein has the right of it, both names are being bandied, but not in the same deal

Avalanche · Post #166 » by **Avalanche** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 5:41 am

Yeh i never read it as Green AND Bass.. not in the same deal anyway

15th overall · Post #167 » by **15th overall** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 5:41 am

I think of what Rondo was able to reanimate Shaq's corpse into and worry less about Asik's offense. As long as he can dunk, Rondo will get him some easy buckets. Asik is the kind of player you trade for when you wanna play with the big kids. He's capable of being an impact player on a championship team and Jeff Green just isn't.

Hayward was just an example of someone who could fill that need. How about the next Paul Millsap or David West? Both those guys signed for deals approximating what Jeff got.

Captain_Caveman · Post #168 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 5:46 am

More I am thinking about this, it would seem most likely as a 3-way with us and Philly.

Something like this?

BOS <--- Turner, Hawes
BOS ---> Green, Bass, 2015 Clippers pick

PHI <--- Asik, Bass
PHI ---> Turner, Hawes

HOU <--- Green, 2015 Clippers pick
HOU ---> Asik

CelticFaninLBC · Post #169 » by **CelticFaninLBC** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 6:06 am

Not sure why Philly would want Asik when they just drafted Noel. Neither can space the floor...

MaxwellSmart · Post #170 » by **MaxwellSmart** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 6:09 am

If this Happens, it will be something simple like:

Humphries/Clippers Pick/2nd rounder for Asik.

Houston gets the First Round pick they want--Humphries has an expiring contract-Rockets need to shed some salary after this season, to extend Parsons...Humphries would work well with Howard...Rockets are over a barrel with Asik, this would be enough.
no need to give them Green or Bass....Rondo comes back, we're all in for the 3rd seed....No Tanking.

Starters:
Rondo
Bradley
Green
Bass
Asik
HELL of a Defensive Team--!

tfmiii · Post #171 » by **tfmiii** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 6:44 am

Wonder what Chicago is planning to do, no guard depth, pg is a mess (I mean my god they signed DJ Augustin) and a big decision to be made regarding Deng.... would Houston be interested in Deng?

send Deng to Houston,
Jordan Crawford and Green to Chicago and
Asik and Butler to Boston?

Chicago gets a guard and a cost controlled SF in place of Deng,
Houston gets a Defensive SF who can play stretch 4 and hit the 3 (and expires this offseason if this is attractive for them) and
Boston can expand the deal and send Butler to Utah (along with Brooks and a pick) for Hayward lol -
Utah won't have to bite the bullet on paying Hayward, gets cost controlled Butler plus a pick...

pipe dream i know :lol:

CelticFaninLBC · Post #172 » by **CelticFaninLBC** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 6:52 am

One of the Houston boards is pretty fired up about the possibility of getting Hawes and Courtney Lee..

bbd24 · Post #173 » by **bbd24** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 6:55 am

If Ainge gets Asik for a package that centers around Bass + the Clippers pick, or Humphries + the Clippers pick.....#44 should be retired an hour after the trades announced.

Fencer reregistered · Post #174 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 7:07 am

MaxwellSmart wrote:If this Happens, it will be something simple like:

Humphries/Clippers Pick/2nd rounder for Asik.

Houston gets the First Round pick they want--Humphries has an expiring contract-Rockets need to shed some salary after this season, to extend Parsons...Humphries would work well with Howard...Rockets are over a barrel with Asik, this would be enough.
no need to give them Green or Bass....Rondo comes back, we're all in for the 3rd seed....No Tanking.

Starters:
Rondo
Bradley
Green
Bass
Asik
HELL of a Defensive Team--!

If we use either expirings or the trade exception to add a lot of salary, next year's payroll goes sprooiiingggg.

Actually, using the trade exception would blow up even this year's payroll.

Pogue Mahone · Post #175 » by **Pogue Mahone** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 7:47 am

What would be the other shoe to drop if Green is involved? I would have to imagine it is a team holding a contract on a swing forward that is 3+ years at ~$9M+, right?

The names that jump to the forefront in my mind are Thad Young, Josh Smith and Danilo Gallinari. What would it take for one of those teams to swallow Lee and/or Bass? If one of those teams would take Bass, as an example, is Sully/Lee/Humphries/three 1st RD"ers enough to shake Kevin Love and Barea or Shved free?

Boston
Trades Green, Brooks and 2014 1st (lesser of BOS/ATL/BKN)

Houston
Trades Asik, G. Smith and Canaan
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Boston
Trades Bass, Bogans and Crawford

Detroit
Trades J. Smith
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Boston
Trades Sullinger, Humphries, Lee, two 2015 1st (BOS and LAC) and 2016 1st (greater of BOS/BKN)

Minnesota
Trades Love and Shved
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You would be left with something like:

Rondo - Canaan/Pressey
Bradley - Shved
J. Smith - Wallace
Love - Olynk
Asik - Faverani/G. Smith

Complete pipe dream, of course, but Love could play on the perimeter offensively and Smith would return to making plays offensively closer to the basket. Defensively they would switch.

Starting line-up would be killer on the defensive glass, two shot blockers, three defensive disruptors on the perimeter, backcourt pressure and a post defender.

Offensively, both Smith and Bradley could fill the wings on the break (that defense would cause a lot of turnovers, a lot of misses, block a lot of shots and clean the defensive glass.) Love would eat a lot of possessions and could also thrive as the trail-man on the secondary break.

You would likely want to invest the leftover 2014 1st RD'er into a high-usage backcourt scorer.

Don't see it happening but was interesting to think about.

Bluewhale · Post #176 » by **Bluewhale** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 8:21 am

I just wonder why Houston doesn't want Jeff Green as their PF? Jeff seems a very good 3 point shooter and could play good defense against quick SF/PF for them.

Howard could coverJeff Green's defense liability against strong PF and rebound issue perfectly.

IMHO, Jeff Green is much better compliment to DH than Josh Smith

It would be like James Ager Worthy/Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Combo

Report: Celtics could be player for Omer Asik; Brandon Bass or Jeff Green possible trade chips

http://www.celticslife.com/2013/12/repo ... -omer.html

Fencer reregistered · Post #177 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 8:33 am

Bluewhale wrote:I just wonder why Houston doesn't want Jeff Green as their PF? Jeff seems a very good 3 point shooter and could play good defense against quick SF/PF for them.

Howard could coverJeff Green's defense liability against strong PF and rebound issue perfectly.

IMHO, Jeff Green is much better compliment to DH than Josh Smith

It would be like James Ager Worthy/Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Combo

Report: Celtics could be player for Omer Asik; Brandon Bass or Jeff Green possible trade chips

http://www.celticslife.com/2013/12/repo ... -omer.html

Worthy played SF for the Lakers. Notwithstanding that his best move was a one-step drive from the high post, he was a "perimeter" player for them. Rambis (and later A.C. Green) was the PF.

MaxwellSmart · Post #178 » by **MaxwellSmart** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 8:57 am

Fencer reregistered wrote:
MaxwellSmart wrote:If this Happens, it will be something simple like:

Humphries/Clippers Pick/2nd rounder for Asik.

Houston gets the First Round pick they want--Humphries has an expiring contract-Rockets need to shed some salary after this season, to extend Parsons...Humphries would work well with Howard...Rockets are over a barrel with Asik, this would be enough.
no need to give them Green or Bass....Rondo comes back, we're all in for the 3rd seed....No Tanking.

Starters:
Rondo
Bradley
Green
Bass
Asik
HELL of a Defensive Team--!

If we use either expirings or the trade exception to add a lot of salary, next year's payroll goes sprooiiingggg.

Actually, using the trade exception would blow up even this year's payroll.

Not really---apparently Asik's $15 Million contract only counts as $8.7 Million towards the cap Next season, for a team that trades for him--Houston would take the entire cap hit...Plus, Asik makes Less than Humphries This season---to keep us under the Luxury tax....helps Both teams.

Fencer reregistered · Post #179 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:17 am

MaxwellSmart wrote:Not really---apparently Asik's $15 Million contract only counts as $8.7 Million towards the cap Next season, for a team that trades for him--Houston would take the entire cap hit...Plus, Asik makes Less than Humphries This season---to keep us under the Luxury tax....helps Both teams.

$8.7 million is a lot more than $0 million.

Per http://hoopshype.com/salaries/boston.htm, the Cs are on the hook for $48.2 million next season for 7 players (Rondo, Lee, Green, Wallace, Bass, Sullinger, Olynyk), and there's an error, in that Faverani isn't included. Add Asik & Faverani, and you're at about $59 million. That leaves out Bradley, Crawford, draft picks and end-of-benchers, and I'm not seeing how all that fits.

Captain_Caveman · Post #180 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:45 am

MaxwellSmart wrote:Not really---apparently Asik's $15 Million contract only counts as $8.7 Million towards the cap Next season, for a team that trades for him--Houston would take the entire cap hit...Plus, Asik makes Less than Humphries This season---to keep us under the Luxury tax....helps Both teams.

Asik's cap/trade numbers are a flat $8.4m. Payment schedule is apparently something like $5m this year and $15.5m next year. Speculation here is that by Houston taking on more (paid) salary this year, that balloon payment next year can be largely offset. This would strike me as part of the impetus for dealing Asik ASAP.