Omer Asik Trade - Updated link pg.109

Who-rod · Post #201 » by **Who-rod** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 3:53 pm

CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:Granger for the MLE? No thanks. If we're in the market for a backup SF at MLE money, I'd rather we go after that guy in Brooklyn who'll also be a FA this summer.

If Granger is healthy, he's the better player. That being said, who knows if he'll ever be healthy again.

Who-rod · Post #202 » by **Who-rod** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 3:54 pm

Who-rod wrote:They have to sign Stevenson in the off season, so they would probably be most interested in taking as little long term salary as possible. I could see a Humphries, Crawford, pick (highly protected) offer as being enough, but would we want to risk that with DG expiring and coming off major injury For the Pacers, they get two helpful expirings, and an asset. They also keep the Heat from Crawford, a team that has been rumored to have interest in him.

After reading about his November knee soreness... I would lessen this offer.

SirTankalot · Post #203 » by **SirTankalot** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:02 pm

Terrific deal. Rim protecting centers don't grow on trees and Chef Linguini happens to be one of the best in the business. Jeff Green is immensely replaceable. Make it happen, Danny.

CeltsfanSinceBirth · Post #204 » by **CeltsfanSinceBirth** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:11 pm

Who-rod wrote:
CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:Granger for the MLE? No thanks. If we're in the market for a backup SF at MLE money, I'd rather we go after that guy in Brooklyn who'll also be a FA this summer.

If Granger is healthy, he's the better player. That being said, who knows if he'll ever be healthy again.

That's exactly it. Granger will never be healthy. And even then, the guy has shot 43, 43, and 42% the last few years he was healthy. I'll take Pierce over Granger any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

LobCityRondo2KG · Post #205 » by **LobCityRondo2KG** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:11 pm

SirTankalot wrote:Terrific deal. Rim protecting centers don't grow on trees and Chef Linguini happens to be one of the best in the business. Jeff Green is immensely replaceable. Make it happen, Danny.

JG is replaceable by who? Who would we play at the 3? Who is going to score for us? Asik is avg 4.4 ppg..

Im sorry i do not want to see Wallace starting at the 3.. no thanks

SirTankalot · Post #206 » by **SirTankalot** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:12 pm

LobCityRondo2KG wrote:JG is replaceable by who? Who would we play at the 3? Who is going to score for us? Asik is avg 4.4 ppg..

Exactly.

DakoBarr · Post #207 » by **DakoBarr** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:23 pm

Right up there with his D, his biggest selling point, to me, is his ability to stay healthy.

He's Chandleresque with health? Sign me up. Probably cheaper on payday, too.

I wish we'd be able to see what Rondo looks like before we do this, but I think he can be flipped if nothing else.

I would like to hold on to Green. He's a super 3&D guy, with the propensity to score lots if the matchup allows. I think he could be on a contender. He's kind of clutch, too.

15th overall · Post #208 » by **15th overall** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:38 pm

Asik has a bigger impact on the game than Jeff Green does and it really isn't even close. I'd try to send out Bass first obviously, but I'd be fine with packaging Jeff with the LAC pick for Asik. The guy's a beast and just now entering his prime.

CollegeToPros · Post #209 » by **CollegeToPros** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:57 pm

Absolutely no way I'm giving away Green. He is finding his consistency and he is LEARNING to be a star. His decision making has improved drastically. Good kid. He's our guy. Stick with him.

Bass and Lee and that's it. Asik is a taller Perk.

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smith2373 · Post #210 » by **smith2373** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:59 pm

So if we trade Jeff who's our #1 option? Jared Sullinger? Avery Bradley? Jordan Crawford?

Jeff is a a good all-around player on both ends and since we play in the East, a guy that's able to defend the likes of LeBron, Carmelo & George, as well as be able to score on the other end is a nice luxury to have.

Not to mention that Asik is an offensive liability. Asik is nothing more than a better rebounding version of Perkins when he was here.

And I really don't understand why people are in love with Asik so much. Aren't the same people on this board the ones who dislike Doc Rivers & Ray Allen because they feel they quit on the Celtics and put themselves before the team? But yet you want to trade for Omer Asik a guy who quit on the Rockets and put himself before the team?

humblebum · Post #211 » by **humblebum** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 5:02 pm

15th overall wrote:Asik has a bigger impact on the game than Jeff Green does and it really isn't even close. I'd try to send out Bass first obviously, but I'd be fine with packaging Jeff with the LAC pick for Asik. The guy's a beast and just now entering his prime.

I think you're missing the point though. Trading for Asik is a win now move. If you deal Green for him all you have left at SF is the corpse of Gerald Wallace. You really want to see an offense spearheaded by scoring juggernauts the likes of Rondo/Wallace/Asik? Lol opposing teams would just form a box around the paint and limit the Celtics to 75 PPG.

Aside from that I think you're flat out wrong. Asik has value but limited skills and while Green is up and down he's got pretty substantial value. I'd say these guys have about equal weight in trades and it's be silly of Ainge to swap these guys.

smith2373 · Post #212 » by **smith2373** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 5:06 pm

And what is the point of the Rockets trading for Jeff Green anyway?

They already have Chandler Parsons at the 3, who is significantly cheaper than Jeff Green and is just as good, if not better than him. Then they have Terrence Jones playing PF who has put up good numbers for them as a starter, and is also cheaper and younger. They have Lin as their 6th man, who's also played well this season. So really what's their reasoning for wanting Jeff?

No35 · Post #213 » by **No35** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 5:07 pm

humblebum wrote:
15th overall wrote:Asik has a bigger impact on the game than Jeff Green does and it really isn't even close. I'd try to send out Bass first obviously, but I'd be fine with packaging Jeff with the LAC pick for Asik. The guy's a beast and just now entering his prime.

I think you're missing the point though. Trading for Asik is a win now move. If you deal Green for him all you have left at SF is the corpse of Gerald Wallace. You really want to see an offense spearheaded by scoring juggernauts the likes of Rondo/Wallace/Asik? Lol opposing teams would just form a box around the paint and limit the Celtics to 75 PPG.

Aside from that I think you're flat out wrong. Asik has value but limited skills and while Green is up and down he's got pretty substantial value. I'd say these guys have about equal weight in trades and it's be silly of Ainge to swap these guys.

If Ainge does this, it would be like ripping my heart out a second time. Not only will I have to stare at the captain in Brooklyn, but now Green, our #1 option and clutchest player on the team in that pisshole city, playing for that **** fanbase.

And just when watching this season's team was so much fun...

FlatearthZorro · Post #214 » by **FlatearthZorro** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 5:07 pm

CollegeToPros wrote:Absolutely no way I'm giving away Green. He is finding his consistency and he is LEARNING to be a star. His decision making has improved drastically. Good kid. He's our guy. Stick with him.

Bass and Lee and that's it. Asik is a taller Perk.

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Taller Perk who was averaging about 12 boards last season tho..

But no **** way in hell Danny trades Green for Asik that would be ridiculous. Imagine us starting Trash? Trash sleepwalking every game, stoned out of his mind? That would be really hard to watch.

Captain_Caveman · Post #215 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 5:08 pm

klemen4 wrote:Bass, Brooks, LAC 2015 first(top 20 protected)

This is fair offer.

BTW....would be good to move this thread to Omer Asik Trade thread!

We can't protect someone else's pick.

15th overall · Post #216 » by **15th overall** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 5:09 pm

Why are people so intent on acting like this would be Ainge's lone move? You don't trade for Asik unless your putting together a contender. The goal isn't a core of Rondo, Jeff and Asik. More moves would follow.

FlatearthZorro · Post #217 » by **FlatearthZorro** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 5:10 pm

15th overall wrote:Why are people so intent on acting like this would be Ainge's lone move? You don't trade for Asik unless your putting together a contender. The goal isn't a core of Rondo, Jeff and Asik. More moves would follow.

Yep, u're probably right. If we trade for Asik, it means Danny would be looking to add a star to the team more likely than not....

CelticFaninLBC · Post #218 » by **CelticFaninLBC** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 5:10 pm

If Green gets dealt, it wouldn't surprise me if Evan Turner lands in Boston and plays the 3...

Andrew McCeltic · Post #219 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 5:11 pm

Yeah I doubt we do Green/Asik without something else coming back, or another move, like Wallace for Shumpert/Amare... And then we'd have no small forward at all..

Captain_Caveman · Post #220 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 5:12 pm

humblebum wrote:
15th overall wrote:Asik has a bigger impact on the game than Jeff Green does and it really isn't even close. I'd try to send out Bass first obviously, but I'd be fine with packaging Jeff with the LAC pick for Asik. The guy's a beast and just now entering his prime.

I think you're missing the point though. Trading for Asik is a win now move. If you deal Green for him all you have left at SF is the corpse of Gerald Wallace. You really want to see an offense spearheaded by scoring juggernauts the likes of Rondo/Wallace/Asik? Lol opposing teams would just form a box around the paint and limit the Celtics to 75 PPG.

Aside from that I think you're flat out wrong. Asik has value but limited skills and while Green is up and down he's got pretty substantial value. I'd say these guys have about equal weight in trades and it's be silly of Ainge to swap these guys.

How is it any more than a win now move than not doing the trade, if they have the same value?

I like Green, but yes, replaceable.