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Re: Biggest Sleeper for 2014 Draft? 

Post#161 » by credezcrew24 » Tue Dec 10, 2013 8:40 am

ManualRam wrote:rhj is just a good defender anywhere. post, perimeter, wherever. rhj has the better tools and projects better to defend his position (sf) better than ag (pf) too imo.
i don't see these moves from ag. he still looks very upright and mechanical. rhj has a lower center of gravity, dribbles lower, has more abrupt, rangier changes of direction with his better length.

ag can't pick and pop. neither can shoot, but i like rhj 's form better going forward. you can see the purity of ag's stroke by his ft%. he's worked hard on it but it's still mechanical and he has some really bad misses.

sure there is another player reliant on garbage buckets and transition in their rotation. his name is aaron gordon, but i like rhj's better ability to slash.


You must have made all these assumption purely based on the UNLV game. That game was a fluke for AG. I've watched every Wildcat game this season except for the game against Drexel. Just watch more games or simply look at his highlights, you'll see him do everything I mentioned in every single game. It is unfathomable for someone to claim AG isn't an offensive threat expect on garbage buckets and transition. AG is far more valuable to our team than RHJ, and based on every experts opinion AG is the better NBA prospect.
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Re: Biggest Sleeper for 2014 Draft? 

Post#162 » by ManualRam » Tue Dec 10, 2013 9:21 am

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ManualRam wrote:rhj is just a good defender anywhere. post, perimeter, wherever. rhj has the better tools and projects better to defend his position (sf) better than ag (pf) too imo.
i don't see these moves from ag. he still looks very upright and mechanical. rhj has a lower center of gravity, dribbles lower, has more abrupt, rangier changes of direction with his better length.

ag can't pick and pop. neither can shoot, but i like rhj 's form better going forward. you can see the purity of ag's stroke by his ft%. he's worked hard on it but it's still mechanical and he has some really bad misses.

sure there is another player reliant on garbage buckets and transition in their rotation. his name is aaron gordon, but i like rhj's better ability to slash.


You must have made all these assumption purely based on the UNLV game. That game was a fluke for AG. I've watched every Wildcat game this season except for the game against Drexel. Just watch more games or simply look at his highlights, you'll see him do everything I mentioned in every single game. It is unfathomable for someone to claim AG isn't an offensive threat expect on garbage buckets and transition. AG is far more valuable to our team than RHJ, and based on every experts opinion AG is the better NBA prospect.


nope. the only arizona games that haven't seen are the FDU and URI games. i also only saw parts of the TT game. so roughly, 2/3 of their games so far i've seen. i also saw both of them play in HS and other settings.

ag has no offensive skill to rely on atm. not his handle, not his jumper, not his post game. so how does he score? same way rhj does: transition, hustle and athleticism. i just think rhj's ability to handle and slash will translate better. i don't think either will be great scorers at the next level, but i like rhj's skillset more and i think he'll be the better defender.

ag is more valuable to 'zona now, but i still think that rhj projects better at his pro position than ag does at his. also if ag tries to be a SF in the pros, i think rhj would be the better SF.

i'm perfectly fine with disagreeing with experts.
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Re: Biggest Sleeper for 2014 Draft? 

Post#163 » by ManualRam » Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:33 am

Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:Watched a little bit of Delon Wright's highlights...dude has a little McGrady in him, which ironically enough, was Dorell Wright's comparison at one point.

I'm not sure about his jumpshot though, but he can create off the dribble, has a good handle as well.

i watched as much as i could tonight of the utah game.
wright's not the athlete his brother is and he looks closer to 6'4 than 6'5. didn't appear to be extremely quick and he's thin, but he has long arms. he looks like he's got a really good feel for the game though. he's very crafty with his fakes, footwork and hesi moves. he moved the ball well, showed good vision, knowing how to manipulate defenders and he's got that harden-like footwork and patience in traffic. looks like a tough guy to speed up. he showed good finishing ability as well with a sweet floater game. i didn't see him shoot at all outside of FTs. looking forward to watching more of him. he's got a lot of jrue in his game.
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Re: Biggest Sleeper for 2014 Draft? 

Post#164 » by Mr.Raptorsingh » Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:53 am

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Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:Watched a little bit of Delon Wright's highlights...dude has a little McGrady in him, which ironically enough, was Dorell Wright's comparison at one point.

I'm not sure about his jumpshot though, but he can create off the dribble, has a good handle as well.

i watched as much as i could tonight of the utah game.
wright's not the athlete his brother is and he looks closer to 6'4 than 6'5. didn't appear to be extremely quick and he's thin, but he has long arms. he looks like he's got a really good feel for the game though. he's very crafty with his fakes, footwork and hesi moves. he moved the ball well, showed good vision, knowing how to manipulate defenders and he's got that harden-like footwork and patience in traffic. looks like a tough guy to speed up. he showed good finishing ability as well with a sweet floater game. i didn't see him shoot at all outside of FTs. looking forward to watching more of him. he's got a lot of jrue in his game.


Thanks for the recap. He put up another good statline tonight - 15 6 and 5, with 3 stls, on 5-9 FGs. He seems to let the game come to him, because 9 FGAs in 39 mins of play is not that much.

I'm not sure if he's on the radar for this year's draft or 2015? He's 21, after spending two years at a JUCO.
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Post#166 » by Okada » Wed Dec 11, 2013 6:38 am

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Post#167 » by ManualRam » Wed Dec 11, 2013 6:45 am

Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:
ManualRam wrote:
Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:Watched a little bit of Delon Wright's highlights...dude has a little McGrady in him, which ironically enough, was Dorell Wright's comparison at one point.

I'm not sure about his jumpshot though, but he can create off the dribble, has a good handle as well.

i watched as much as i could tonight of the utah game.
wright's not the athlete his brother is and he looks closer to 6'4 than 6'5. didn't appear to be extremely quick and he's thin, but he has long arms. he looks like he's got a really good feel for the game though. he's very crafty with his fakes, footwork and hesi moves. he moved the ball well, showed good vision, knowing how to manipulate defenders and he's got that harden-like footwork and patience in traffic. looks like a tough guy to speed up. he showed good finishing ability as well with a sweet floater game. i didn't see him shoot at all outside of FTs. looking forward to watching more of him. he's got a lot of jrue in his game.


Thanks for the recap. He put up another good statline tonight - 15 6 and 5, with 3 stls, on 5-9 FGs. He seems to let the game come to him, because 9 FGAs in 39 mins of play is not that much.

I'm not sure if he's on the radar for this year's draft or 2015? He's 21, after spending two years at a JUCO.


well they faced almost exclusively zone and it doesn't appear that delon is a shooter. he looked more like a playmaker/ball-mover than a scorer and he doesn't force the issue.

idk if he's either more of a 2014 or 2015 prospect. usually players with his background have to prove themselves more than others who have been in the spotlight longer or have the hype. we'll have a better idea by the middle of conference play.
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Post#169 » by babyjax13 » Mon Dec 16, 2013 8:06 pm

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Post#170 » by jstall_10 » Mon Dec 16, 2013 11:30 pm

The biggest sleeper in Chris Walker from UF. He was ineligible during the first semester. He is more athletic than Wiggins by a mile. He could definitely be in the lotto.
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Post#171 » by Casey Jonas » Tue Dec 17, 2013 3:46 am

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Post#172 » by Joel Embust » Tue Dec 17, 2013 3:55 am

Casey Jonas wrote:Jahii Cahil.


Carson and I agree with that one.
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Post#173 » by Casey Jonas » Tue Dec 17, 2013 4:24 am

Eleqtrique wrote:
Casey Jonas wrote:Jahii Cahil.


Carson and I agree with that one.

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Post#174 » by Mlockhart » Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:29 pm

Agreed Carson is flying under the radar. If ASU makes the tourney out of a very loaded Pac 12 his stock could rise. I think he has a 40 plus vertical and a much improved outside shot.

Watch out for Spencer Dinwiddie. He's a 1/2 out of Colorado that can do a bit of everything. He was on a lot of Mocks early this year, but has fallen out. He has been playing pretty well of late.
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Post#175 » by TucsonClip » Tue Dec 17, 2013 10:41 pm

I like Dinwiddie, but im a but bullish on Carson. I think hes a version of Nate Robinson.

The guy I like in the Pac-12 is Brandon Ashley. Hes a prototypical 4 in today's NBA. He can step out and hit from the perimeter. Has good enough handles to attack from the wing and create his own shot. Has good footwork in the post and nice touch around the basket.

He is long and athletic, but needs to gain more strength. Hes a 4 all the way, I dont know why some scouts think he can play the 3. He clearly isnt quick enough laterally to defend 3s.

I think he declares this year and goes mid to late 1st. hes going to make a playoff team VERY happy.
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Post#176 » by Mlockhart » Wed Dec 18, 2013 5:49 am

I always liked Ashley's game and I thought he was better than Jarret who declared for the 2013 draft. The interesting thing about Zona is they have a pretty loaded front court and they are 11-0. On a mediocre team Ashley would likely have better stats. He sort of reminds me of Jared Jeffries.

Another guy I almost forgot about is Deonte Burton. He plays for Nevada and get's virtually no press. He also has no help is playing about 37 minutes a night. Last I checked he was averaging around 23 PPG. He might not have the upside of some of the younger guys, but I think he could hear his name called early second round. I remember hearing rumblings about him declaring for the NBA draft after his sophomore year when he was an honorable mention all- american.
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Post#177 » by 51X3RF4N » Wed Dec 18, 2013 5:26 pm

I think a guy who will get pass on and then blow up with a good career is PJ Hairston. I haven't seen him mentioned in this thread yet. With the issues he's dealt with off the court, he might not play a single game this season for UNC. And he will likely enter the draft anyways. Roy Williams has said PJ is dominating in practice all year long so far.

I think he might slip into the late 1st round, and some team will be lucky to draft him. Kid is gonna be a stud IMO.
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Post#178 » by Ruzious » Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:30 pm

51X3RF4N wrote:I think a guy who will get pass on and then blow up with a good career is PJ Hairston. I haven't seen him mentioned in this thread yet. With the issues he's dealt with off the court, he might not play a single game this season for UNC. And he will likely enter the draft anyways. Roy Williams has said PJ is dominating in practice all year long so far.

I think he might slip into the late 1st round, and some team will be lucky to draft him. Kid is gonna be a stud IMO.

He does have one of the prettiest jump shots I've ever seen. I think he'll be a good player in the Martell Webster mold, but I'm not sure he does quite enough other things to be much more than top 25 pick worthy.
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Re: Biggest Sleeper for 2014 Draft? 

Post#179 » by 51X3RF4N » Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:50 pm

Ruzious wrote:
51X3RF4N wrote:I think a guy who will get pass on and then blow up with a good career is PJ Hairston. I haven't seen him mentioned in this thread yet. With the issues he's dealt with off the court, he might not play a single game this season for UNC. And he will likely enter the draft anyways. Roy Williams has said PJ is dominating in practice all year long so far.

I think he might slip into the late 1st round, and some team will be lucky to draft him. Kid is gonna be a stud IMO.

He does have one of the prettiest jump shots I've ever seen. I think he'll be a good player in the Martell Webster mold, but I'm not sure he does quite enough other things to be much more than top 25 pick worthy.



Which is exactly what will make him a "sleeper". Thank you for proving my point! :D

I think he has the offensive game to make him deadly in the NBA. And I think he'll prove a lot of teams wrong if they pass on him.
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Post#180 » by Nolan » Wed Dec 18, 2013 9:10 pm

Don't know if anyone has mentioned him yet but Sam Dekker has really impressed me so far. Extremely well rounded player with some serious offensive upside.
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