Omer Asik Trade - Updated link pg.109

[stiles21]

How about??

Boston gets Asik, Turner & Greg Smith
Houston gets Green & Hawes
Philly gets Bogans, Brewer, Crawford, whom they can send to Miami for a pick, and Houston's 2014. (Not sure what else Boston would need to throw in for Turner?? Maybe the 2014 BKN/ATL pick?? Maybe Olynyk??)

Lineup when Rondo returns: Asik, Sully, Turner, Bradley, Rondo
Bench: Olynyk, Bass, Wallace, Lee, Pressey, Fav, Hump, Smith, Brooks

Can't see Philly doing this deal. Turner and Hawes are both having Career years.

[No35]

Am I the only one who feels Asik is greatly overrated? I mean I'd take him for Bass but no picks would be involved. If they didn't like I'd tell them to pound sand.

The only reason why he was Mr. Double Double last year was because of Lin gifting him. He's better than Perk down low, but on a team with a decent post player, he would not be getting touches.

[CelticFaninLBC]

How about??

Boston gets Asik, Turner & Greg Smith
Houston gets Green & Hawes
Philly gets Bogans, Brewer, Crawford, whom they can send to Miami for a pick, and Houston's 2014. (Not sure what else Boston would need to throw in for Turner?? Maybe the 2014 BKN/ATL pick?? Maybe Olynyk??)

Lineup when Rondo returns: Asik, Sully, Turner, Bradley, Rondo
Bench: Olynyk, Bass, Wallace, Lee, Pressey, Fav, Hump, Smith, Brooks

Can't see Philly doing this deal. Turner and Hawes are both having Career years.

Both are RFA's too, and Turner's #'s are nothing special.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Green and Lee-or-Bass to HOU, Asik to BOS, Lin to TOR, Derozan to BOS?

[Valid]

Green and Lee-or-Bass to HOU, Asik to BOS, Lin to TOR, Derozan to BOS?

Toronto already traded Gay. They're not trading DeRozan for Jeremy Lin.

[Darth Celtic]

asik, turner, bradley, and rondo. Who the f shoots on that team? that's horrible.

[Pogue Mahone]

WOW! Green and a pick? Mind sharing your advanced stats (ASS and TEN+) on Asik and Smith?

Smith currently has a 92 TEN+ but most seasons he is generally in the 115-120 range (ie> not a star but a very good starter).

Asik is currently at 97 TEN+ but generally is in the 95-105 range. Which, for low-usage defensive centers is really frickin' good. However, he has never played with a PG who creates for others, first and foremost. I bet Rondo could get him up into the 110 range and, again, that would be very solid starter.

Big Bassy Smith is a very active big with great hands, good size/strength/quickness combo. Actually, you know those oversized foam finger hands? Those are his hands. He would absolutely beast offensively as a button for Rondo. And rebounds/blocks the **** out of the ball.

Green and a 1st is overpaying IMO. There's a reason Houston likes the idea of Jeff Green going there. He's better than Asik.

Not sure why you would want both Smith and Love. Smith at the 3 kind of sucks..I'd rather have Jeff Green at the 3 than him. Love is going to be damn near impossible to get.

I agree that he sucks offensively at SF. That is why I want him in conjunction with a perimeter-oriented PF like Love. I don't think it will happen but if you want something a little more realistic, insert Ryan Anderson.

My point being that we get Josh Smith at a severe discount (hypothetically) and keep him at the three defensively. Offensively, he operates primarily against other threes.

Asik, Smith and Anderson or Love-type (perimeter oriented-solid defensive rebounding type PF) would absolutely own with a Rondo-Bradley backcourt. Once they gathered the miss defensively (remember, they will have perimeter ball pressure, a post defender able to cover 1-on-1 w/o help, serious help defense and two able shot-blockers) could you imagine Smith and Bradley on the wings in a Rondo-led fastbreak? In the halfcourt, Smith would go back to operating closer to the basket with the perimeter oriented PF acting primarily as a SF offensively.

That team would create so many mismatches via cross-matching and overall team speed, it would be scary, imo.

[stiles21]

How about??

Boston gets Asik, Turner & Greg Smith
Houston gets Green & Hawes
Philly gets Bogans, Brewer, Crawford, whom they can send to Miami for a pick, and Houston's 2014. (Not sure what else Boston would need to throw in for Turner?? Maybe the 2014 BKN/ATL pick?? Maybe Olynyk??)

Lineup when Rondo returns: Asik, Sully, Turner, Bradley, Rondo
Bench: Olynyk, Bass, Wallace, Lee, Pressey, Fav, Hump, Smith, Brooks

Can't see Philly doing this deal. Turner and Hawes are both having Career years.

Both are RFA's too, and Turner's #'s are nothing special.

20PPG-6RPG-4APG isn't bad for a 25 year old. He's having a good year besides his turnover problem.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Can't see Philly doing this deal. Turner and Hawes are both having Career years.

Both are RFA's too, and Turner's #'s are nothing special.

20PPG-6RPG-4APG isn't bad for a 25 year old. He's having a good year besides his turnover problem.

Turner has a .031 winshare/48 compared to Green's .125. Turner's advanced stats were better when Holiday was around though...

I've browsed a few Philly boards and it appears Turner doesn't like the new GM, and Philly wants to collect draft picks and tank this season.

[FlatearthZorro]

asik, turner, bradley, and rondo. Who the f shoots on that team? that's horrible.

They sign me to a vet min deal and I'll shoot for them.

[CelticFaninLBC]

asik, turner, bradley, and rondo. Who the f shoots on that team? that's horrible.

Sullinger & Bradley. Turner was 36% from 3 last year...

[bucknersrevenge]

I'd have to dig up my old post but before this season I got into a debate with another poster and posted a couple of links talking about just how dynamic Asik was on the defensive end. I mean Asik is just just "solid" on the defensive end. He impacted Chicago and then Houston IMMENSELY on the defensive end on the post and in the pick n role defensively. You bring that guy here and put him next to Sully and they inhale every carom there is. Put him behind Bradley and Rondo and you have a serious defensive backbone.

Ideally I'd prefer to give up Bass over Green. Not just because Green is the better offensive talent(and he can be moved later for an offensive upgrade) but because moving Bass helps clear up that logjam at the 4 a bit. Sully starts, Kris, comes off the bench and KO/Fav split time behind Asik. And I'm not worried about Asik offensively. He'll get 8-10ppg just off putbacks and pick n roll with Rondo.

If we moved Green for Asik instead of Bass I'd have to assume Ainge sees resigning Asik after his contract ends as a likelihood and then plans to move Bass later on for different talent. Wouldn't mind trying to pry Terrence Jones away from them in the deal if we gave them a pick too. I think if we moved Green unless we got another 3 in a deal I'd probably go quick 3 with an undersized Courtney Lee starting at the 3 as another shooter to balance out the lineup. Sully is the #1, Rondo #2 and AB spreading the floor and balancing the floor.

[StojkoVrankovic]

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[mwhis21]

Are you implying that if we trade Bass for Asik we'd be on the same level as the team with the best record in the league? Or are you simply saying that lineup could become as good as them?

Either way I think it's ridiculous.

It's not that ridiculous. Add in Asik to the current team and it's one of the best defensive teams in the league. Rondo/Bradley alone will absolutely DESTROY the Pacers backcourt. Who do you suggest brings the ball up against Rondo/Bradley. Paul George? I hope that's your answer because that is how the Celtics would beat Indiana, make George be a play maker not a scorer.

That would be an AWESOME series.

[mwhis21]

ESPN writer (New York' Knicks version of Chris Forsberg)

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Pogue, I've loosely been following the forum today at work; what's your tl;dr stance on Asik (i.e., want him? if so, for what?)

Do want.
Rondo could make Yi Jianlian's chair an offensive threat.
I would give up Green and a 1st to do it but Greg "Big Bassy" Smith comes back as a throw-in lottery ticket.
I would then go balls deep trying to trade for Kevin Love and Josh Smith.

Preach. I want to see Kevin Love & Rondo for the next 5-7 years. Absolutely perfect for one another.

[BfB]

Asik seems unlikely, unless Boston is going to do Bass and a couple of picks. Only way I see them putting that much value into this trade is if the Rondo deal has legs.

More likely scenario is Ainge being involved as the 3rd team - I'd say most likely its Hawes to Boston with Asik landing in Philly. Boston gives up Bass and LAC's 1st.

I don't think it's coincidental that the Asik and Rondo buzz broke at the same time, however. The principle pieces involved make both deals more plausible collectively. With the way Boston's been playing sans Rondo, I could very much see them as being willing to trade him for an unprotected 2014, another 1st, McLemore, and Thomas IF they could then land Asik or Hawes.

Both Centers make sense for different reasons in this two-trade scenario. Hawes for his offense and Asik for his defense. Rondo would still be the best player in the deal, but Boston would be able to add offense in either scenario as well as "upgrade" the outgoing pick(s) with a superior 2014 lottery selection.

Assuming Ainge viewed both Asik and/or Hawes as quality, core 5's, moving Rondo now virtually doubles the asset pool, which theoretically puts them in a better position to replace Rondo's talent level within a short period of time.

It's interesting to think about...we'll see what happens.

[jfs1000d]

I want Asik. But, with a good and fair trade. Someone has to win Atlantic and I think it should be us. Asik, with right trade, gets us to an over 40 win caliber team. Defense and rebounding are the last thing this team needs.

I don't see how we can get a player caliber of Asik. So, why not trade for it? It was always be useful.


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[smith2373]

Are you implying that if we trade Bass for Asik we'd be on the same level as the team with the best record in the league? Or are you simply saying that lineup could become as good as them?

Either way I think it's ridiculous.

It's not that ridiculous. Add in Asik to the current team and it's one of the best defensive teams in the league. Rondo/Bradley alone will absolutely DESTROY the Pacers backcourt. Who do you suggest brings the ball up against Rondo/Bradley. Paul George? I hope that's your answer because that is how the Celtics would beat Indiana, make George be a play maker not a scorer.

That would be an AWESOME series.

So you think the Celtics with Asik and a healthy Rondo is an elite team?

[jfs1000d]

Asik seems unlikely, unless Boston is going to do Bass and a couple of picks. Only way I see them putting that much value into this trade is if the Rondo deal has legs.

More likely scenario is Ainge being involved as the 3rd team - I'd say most likely its Hawes to Boston with Asik landing in Philly. Boston gives up Bass and LAC's 1st.

I don't think it's coincidental that the Asik and Rondo buzz broke at the same time, however. The principle pieces involved make both deals more plausible collectively. With the way Boston's been playing sans Rondo, I could very much see them as being willing to trade him for an unprotected 2014, another 1st, McLemore, and Thomas IF they could then land Asik or Hawes.

Both Centers make sense for different reasons in this two-trade scenario. Hawes for his offense and Asik for his defense. Rondo would still be the best player in the deal, but Boston would be able to add offense in either scenario as well as "upgrade" the outgoing pick(s) with a superior 2014 lottery selection.

Assuming Ainge viewed both Asik and/or Hawes as quality, core 5's, moving Rondo now virtually doubles the asset pool, which theoretically puts them in a better position to replace Rondo's talent level within a short period of time.

It's interesting to think about...we'll see what happens.

I think Bass, Brooks and a pick might be best Houston can do. I like Asik at the 5, sully at 4 with hump, olynk, fav as the 5 man big rotation.

As far as celtics. They could give up lee or Crawford.

Celtics, btw, have some serious assets IMO. Nothing for a major player,but a lot of good teams would love to pick this roster for rotation players.





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[jfs1000d]

Are you implying that if we trade Bass for Asik we'd be on the same level as the team with the best record in the league? Or are you simply saying that lineup could become as good as them?

Either way I think it's ridiculous.

It's not that ridiculous. Add in Asik to the current team and it's one of the best defensive teams in the league. Rondo/Bradley alone will absolutely DESTROY the Pacers backcourt. Who do you suggest brings the ball up against Rondo/Bradley. Paul George? I hope that's your answer because that is how the Celtics would beat Indiana, make George be a play maker not a scorer.

That would be an AWESOME series.

So you think the Celtics with Asik and a healthy Rondo is an elite team?

Elite, no. But I think if rondo is elite, with Asik, it could be 40 wins plus. With our assets and young guys, this is a great position to be in.

I got to see trade though. Asik is not a no brainer.


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