Countdown to Ernie Firing Another Coach Thread

[payitforward]

Agree with this list?

http://throwinitoutthere.wordpress.com/ ... l-simmons/

I thought Ujiri was with the Raptors...

In any case, as far as Grunfeld it looks pretty right.

Ujiri is with Toronto, yes -- previously he was w/ Denver, so there should have been an asterisk by his name.

I think Ernie ranked a little too high. Are GMs being given credit for luck w/ ping pong balls? I wouldn't think so, yet that's the only reason we have John Wall. His only other really good moves in the last 5 years were drafting Beal -- who was, after all, the default pick at #3 -- and signing Martell Webster. Any other good moves he made (getting rid of Gil's contract for RL's shorter one) he gave back (passing on RL's out and instead taking on $44m of "veteran leadership" salary -- tho in fairness Ariza has played well).

The only GM who is really worse is Billy King. Even Dumars, who is certainly not a good GM, has been better than Ernie.

The rankings don't seem altogether sensible, do they? They have Presti middle of the pack??

[verbal8]

Agree with this list?

http://throwinitoutthere.wordpress.com/ ... l-simmons/

I thought Ujiri was with the Raptors...

In any case, as far as Grunfeld it looks pretty right.

Ujiri is with Toronto, yes -- previously he was w/ Denver, so there should have been an asterisk by his name.

The post is old(March), so some of the names aren't current.

I think Ernie ranked a little too high. Are GMs being given credit for luck w/ ping pong balls? I wouldn't think so, yet that's the only reason we have John Wall. His only other really good moves in the last 5 years were drafting Beal -- who was, after all, the default pick at #3 -- and signing Martell Webster. Any other good moves he made (getting rid of Gil's contract for RL's shorter one) he gave back (passing on RL's out and instead taking on $44m of "veteran leadership" salary -- tho in fairness Ariza has played well).

The only GM who is really worse is Billy King. Even Dumars, who is certainly not a good GM, has been better than Ernie.

The rankings don't seem altogether sensible, do they? They have Presti middle of the pack??

The only criteria is the number of seasons the GM had a great or terrible contract on their team. Presti is dragged down by Perkins and it looks like he doesn't get credit for Durant or Westbrook or even Collison.

Dumars gets killed by the Gordon/Charlie V signings which are worse than Blatche/Nene. Stupid trades don't get penalized in the rankings.

They apparently don't even have Rich Cho on the list, but maybe Higgins is still getting credit for the moves by Charlotte.

[Ruzious]

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Any chance we try to trade for Thibs? Nah, he's too smart. It took him all of maybe a few hours to leave the last time he was here.

[LyricalRico]

Trevor Ariza returned to practice for the first time since he strained his right hamstring on Nov. 12 in San Antonio. The Wizards have gone 3-2 in his absence but Wittman said Ariza will start against the Los Angeles Lakers.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wiz ... a-returns/

Webster playing great as a starter (as he did last year) but Wittman determined to break up the chemistry.

[hands11]

Really ?

EG made no moves that helped us tank so we could be in a position to luck into the first that year ?

People can hate. That's fine. We all hate EG for something or many things. But lets get real.

Hate him for the Ves pick. Or Glen Rice. Or Singleton over many players. Or not drafting a center last draft.

But saying he had nothing to do with the tank to get Wall is just making crap up.

[hands11]

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1286274
Any chance we try to trade for Thibs? Nah, he's too smart. It took him all of maybe a few hours to leave the last time he was here.

I was thinking the same thing when I heard about Rose and his problems in Chicago. But I just didn't see how he would fit given his personality.

I would guess he is more likely to take some time off and look to land another HC job.

I don't think it has much to do with his last experience here. He has been a good HC for to long since then. Different situation.

[closg00]

How-long before Ernie begins dances his way to another coach firing?

[LyricalRico]

How-long before Ernie begins dances his way to another coach firing?

I wouldn't mind seeing Randy gone, and replace with somebody that can actually draw up a play. I'm not sure anyone on his staff would be an improvement, though. Didn't they hire somebody from SA? Sure, I'd give him a shot.

[hands11]

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2013/12/1 ... in/4975753

It's also a point that makes sense when you consider Wittman's offense, which generates way too many long two-point jumpers, the worst shot in basketball. It's almost like Wittman is transferring his own playing experience (he was an elite mid-range shooter in the 80s) to his team. Right now, the Wizards are shooting just under 28 mid-range jumpers per game, tops in the NBA. Their percentage on those shots is 34.4 percent, fourth-worst in the league. Last year, the Wizards shot the fourth-most mid-range jumpers in the league and hit the eighth-worst percentage. And you wonder why this is one of the worst offenses in the NBA.

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So we went from weave and heave to this. Wittman is a step up. At least he teaches defense. It might be time to take another step up and get a coach who understand both.

[LyricalRico]

^ Not to mention that in going for mid-range jumpers, they make lots of bad angle passes at the elbow that end up in turnovers. There are no down screens, very little baseline action, and not much happening on the weak side other than spotting up in the corner. This offense is just bad all around and it's obvious that the young players aren't getting any smarter about team offense, and that includes Wall.

[montestewart]

^ Not to mention that in going for mid-range jumpers, they make lots of bad angle passes at the elbow that end up in turnovers. There are no down screens, very little baseline action, and not much happening on the weak side other than spotting up in the corner. This offense is just bad all around and it's obvious that the young players aren't getting any smarter about team offense, and that includes Wall.

Lots of issues, but is there anyone currently on the staff that might do a better job? It seems like all the more reason for holistic house cleaning. The Wizards offense seems like it just barely holds its head above water, going as far as Wall and the hot hand du jour can take them, rather than relying on a well taught and well executed system that makes the best use of strengths and covers for weaknesses. It seems a very impulsive production.

[LyricalRico]

Lots of issues, but is there anyone currently on the staff that might do a better job?

A asked the same question a few posts ago, and I think the answer is probably "no". The only chance is the one guy I think they brought over from San Antonio. I'd be willing to give him a shot.

[FAH1223]

Lots of issues, but is there anyone currently on the staff that might do a better job?

A asked the same question a few posts ago, and I think the answer is probably "no". The only chance is the one guy I think they brought over from San Antonio. I'd be willing to give him a shot.

Don Newman... sat next to Pop for 7 sevens and won 2 rings. Would definitely be an upgrade.

[hands11]

Lots of issues, but is there anyone currently on the staff that might do a better job?

A asked the same question a few posts ago, and I think the answer is probably "no". The only chance is the one guy I think they brought over from San Antonio. I'd be willing to give him a shot.

Ernie Grunfeld President
Tommy Sheppard Senior Vice President of Basketball Operations
Randy Wittman Head Coach
Don Zierden Assistant Coach
Sam Cassell Assistant Coach
Ryan Saunders Assistant Coach
Don Newman Assistant Coach
Pat Sullivan Assistant Coach
Joe Connelly Player Development Coach

That's the top coaches. You are talking about Don Newman. Yeah, it comes up on the board from time to time talking about him at the HC.

[Dat2U]

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2013/12/15/5212674/marcin-gortat-washington-wizards-clippers-nba/in/4975753

It's also a point that makes sense when you consider Wittman's offense, which generates way too many long two-point jumpers, the worst shot in basketball. It's almost like Wittman is transferring his own playing experience (he was an elite mid-range shooter in the 80s) to his team. Right now, the Wizards are shooting just under 28 mid-range jumpers per game, tops in the NBA. Their percentage on those shots is 34.4 percent, fourth-worst in the league. Last year, the Wizards shot the fourth-most mid-range jumpers in the league and hit the eighth-worst percentage. And you wonder why this is one of the worst offenses in the NBA.

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So we went from weave and heave to this. Wittman is a step up. At least he teaches defense. It might be time to take another step up and get a coach who understand both.

Actually Witt's offense is just a simplified version of Flip's offense which also had heavy emphasis on creating open looks from 18 ft & beyond. That's what happens when you fire Flip and keep his assistants. You get a watered down version of an offensive strategy that's frankly outdated.

[Dark Faze]

Everything about Witt sucks. He's a guy who hated when Love took the three. His record is awful everywhere he's been including here--for the life of me I don't understand Leonsis' logic in relation to our coach and GM.

I'm starting to think Ted is the worst thing that could have happened to us. I hardly blame Abe because he was in his 70's and 80's during this era of basketball--he just didn't have it upstairs. Ted though, he's young and is in an era where information has never been so easily accessed.

It makes me furious because Ted had such a great opportunity when we drafted Wall to put a new coach and GM in position that could GROW with him and our new direction as a team but he sticks with these terrible guys.

[TGW]

Ted is very much like Snyder in certain ways...he just likes to "look right" instead of doing what's right. He wants to be the smartest guy in the room, and he wants to win his way. I wouldn't surprise me if this front office is kept in tact for a few years just because of Ted's ego.

[verbal8]

Ted is very much like Snyder in certain ways...he just likes to "look right" instead of doing what's right. He wants to be the smartest guy in the room, and he wants to win his way. I wouldn't surprise me if this front office is kept in tact for a few years just because of Ted's ego.

While they seem to generate similar results with their teams, I think Ted and Snyder are more opposites than clones. Snyder makes changes so rashly and mettles too much to create a successful team.

Ted has a situation where a change is needed in the management and has done nothing.

It also seems that generally Ted is a nice guy, Snyder not so much...

[queridiculo]

Firing Wittman and letting EG pick his successor, can anyone think of a bigger insult to Wizards fans?

[hands11]

Firing Wittman and letting EG pick his successor, can anyone think of a bigger insult to Wizards fans?

Now who in their right mind would come here from outside with EG at the end of his contract.

That isn't happening. Only coach to take over would be someone already here.