Omer Asik Trade - Updated link pg.109

[Captain_Caveman]

Beats yesetrday, where he has the Kings trading picks they don't even have in a 4-for-1 trade that would have sent us well over the hard cap lol.

[ddb]

okay so here is what I've been told by a buddy of mine on the Asik/Boston speculation. Take it for what it's worth.

Ainge is trying like hell to get Philly to become a facilitator in an Asik to Boston deal. Green and Bass are 2 players that peak Hou's interest. Ainge, believe it or not would like to hang on to both Green and Bass. I was told that Ainge loves the way Bass as matured as a player on and off the court. Views him as the prototypical 3rd big on a very good team. Even if Ainge is able to get this deal done he still views Sully/Bass finishing games together with Asik on the bench. Asik is a very good defensive Center, but not the type of guy you want on the court to finish games because of his horrendous free throw shooting and inability to space the floor. So ideally what Ainge is hoping for is an Asik/Sully unit starting. Bass as 3rd big, KO and Fav fight for 4th big mins. And then as far as Green goes, Ainge thinks Green is too steep an asking price for Asik. They see no reason to move Green who they view as a guy on a "fair" market deal.

So that leads us to Philly. Philly has 3 players who Houston is interested in. Turner, Young, Hawes. And we know about Philly needing to get to the salary cap floor at some point this season.

so what Ainge is trying to do is move the expiring deals of Hump/Bogans to Philly which gets them to the floor. and we know Hump/Bogs expire so Philly isn't hit with any contacts beyond this season. Essentially they get worse and pretty much guarantee themselves a top 5 pick this year. Ainge wants Philly to move 1 of the Hawes, Turner, Young group to Houston and then Asik would end up in Boston. I'm told Ainge is willing to deal 1 pick to Philly, likely the 2015 clips pick in exchange for cooperating as a facilitator. Ainge is also willing to basically give Brooks to Houston as well as a sweetener.

So it would look something like this.

Boston Out: Hump/Bogans/Brooks/2015 Clips
Boston In: Asik

Philly Out: Young
Philly In: Hump/Bogans/2015 Clips pick

Houston Out: Asik
Houston in: Young/Brooks

Leaves the Celts with a Rondo/Bradley/Green/Sully/Asik starting 5. Crawford is 1st guard off bench, Bass is first big off bench. Wallace/Lee/KO/Fav round out the bench unit. Very solid team that should be good enough for a Top 4 seed. So Ainge is developing his young core in a winning environment but is keeping potential future moves in play by keeping the majority of his picks, most notably the 2014 picks.

Leaves Philly with a terrible team. Along with Utah and Milwaukee, Philly would be a lock for a Top 5 pick. They maintain full control of their cap and then can feel comfortable rolling out MCW, Turner, etc without worrying about winning too many games. Ideally, they land Parker or Wiggins this year and then another blue chipper like Myles or Okafor next year... along with cap space they should be done with their rebuild by 2015.

Leaves Houston with Beverly/Harden/Parsons/Young/Howard Lin/Jones on bench among the others.

Personally, I think it's a win, win, win. Really just comes down to Philly cooperating and Houston being good with the Young/Brooks return

[ddb]

also, there's the risk of Philly simply dealing with Houston directly. But from what I'm told they aren't too interested in Asik. By the time they are any good Asik will have expired and probably wouldn't resign. So adding a future chip, unloading a multi-year contract (young), getting to the floor PLUS pretty much guaranteeing a top 5 pick this year....philly accomplishes 4 things in 1 deal

[Andrew McCeltic]

Great info, thanks..

[Andrew McCeltic]

The Green and Bass reasoning make sense and match up with what we're seeing.. my concern is that we get stuck with this group, and that it won't be a super-talented team but a super-well-constructed and coached one.. Like I don't see how we get better after Asik.. You look to move Wallace and Lee, obviously.. maybe Crawford. But that's basically it.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Makes sense ddb. I think Philly would be taking on too much payroll under the CBA, if they took both Hump & Bogans though.

Would love to see Lee go to Houston, with Bogans and a pick going to Philly, and still retaining Hump's expiring..

[15th overall]

The market for Asik really must be dry if we can confidently take even Bass off the table in negotiations. Hump and a 1st would be a steal.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Yup, well HOU is looking for players who fit the core they have, and there are a lot of solid rebounding/defense 5s in the league right now, surprisingly… I can see DEN maybe having interest, sending Mcgee to a third team (but who?), CHA as well.. but it's hard to find a match.

[ddb]

The market for Asik really must be dry if we can confidently take even Bass off the table in negotiations. Hump and a 1st would be a steal.

right, but at the same time expirings have value. I think most teams would probably prefer Hump to Bass simply because he's off books after this year. IDK. Just what I was told. I'm sure Ainge will do some trade that nobody saw coming. But what I like about all of this is that Ainge isn't willing to simply trade away good players. Like Bass even. And I agree with that. I never thought Bass was very good until this year. He's solid. Not a star. Just solid. that mid range J is underrated. if he's gone we miss that. his defense is underrated. he can guard multiple positions with confidence. with Sully emerging and with Bass/Sully proving that they can play well together, I like keeping them both on this team.

but as far as Asik goes. I'd love to have him. good 7 foot centers don't grow on trees. if Houston misses out on the Dwight Howard sweepstakes then there's no way in hell Houston is trading Asik. And the fact that Asik requested a trade and that Houston is willing to deal him is sorta the perfect storm. And with Boston having the assets to do a deal, they almost have leverage.

Would be a great deal for boston

[rickrolled]

Why would Boston send the Sixers a pick to facilitate a deal ?

Hopefully Ainge doesn't do any favours for Morey-Hinkie.

Morey should be the one giving up a pick to Philly.

[klemen4]

Thanks ddb!

Well if we are able to pull this out

I see it this way. Houston likes Green, but would also take Young which is similar player, but less talented and without 3pt shot, what could be a problem.

Still I would do Bass,Brooks,LAC first rounder!

[ddb]

and for houston. If they can get Young for Asik that's a good deal for them. Young would be great as a 3rd 4th guy along with Howard, HArden and Parsons. Young can RUN. He's just a good player. type of guy who could develop a nice reputation as athletic energy guy on a title contender.

[Avalanche]

Thanks for the info, as always ddb

One thing is, if we are dealing the expiring deal of Hump for Asik, you would have to think something else is on the horizon.. that is a ton of money to be committed to next season with Green, Asik, Bass, Lee, Wallace, Rondo and more... Ainge doesnt want to be over that tax line

[Bohemian]

okay so here is what I've been told by a buddy of mine on the Asik/Boston speculation. Take it for what it's worth.

Ainge is trying like hell to get Philly to become a facilitator in an Asik to Boston deal. Green and Bass are 2 players that peak Hou's interest. Ainge, believe it or not would like to hang on to both Green and Bass. I was told that Ainge loves the way Bass as matured as a player on and off the court. Views him as the prototypical 3rd big on a very good team. Even if Ainge is able to get this deal done he still views Sully/Bass finishing games together with Asik on the bench. Asik is a very good defensive Center, but not the type of guy you want on the court to finish games because of his horrendous free throw shooting and inability to space the floor. So ideally what Ainge is hoping for is an Asik/Sully unit starting. Bass as 3rd big, KO and Fav fight for 4th big mins. And then as far as Green goes, Ainge thinks Green is too steep an asking price for Asik. They see no reason to move Green who they view as a guy on a "fair" market deal.

So that leads us to Philly. Philly has 3 players who Houston is interested in. Turner, Young, Hawes. And we know about Philly needing to get to the salary cap floor at some point this season.

so what Ainge is trying to do is move the expiring deals of Hump/Bogans to Philly which gets them to the floor. and we know Hump/Bogs expire so Philly isn't hit with any contacts beyond this season. Essentially they get worse and pretty much guarantee themselves a top 5 pick this year. Ainge wants Philly to move 1 of the Hawes, Turner, Young group to Houston and then Asik would end up in Boston. I'm told Ainge is willing to deal 1 pick to Philly, likely the 2015 clips pick in exchange for cooperating as a facilitator. Ainge is also willing to basically give Brooks to Houston as well as a sweetener.

So it would look something like this.

Boston Out: Hump/Bogans/Brooks/2015 Clips
Boston In: Asik

Philly Out: Young
Philly In: Hump/Bogans/2015 Clips pick

Houston Out: Asik
Houston in: Young/Brooks

Leaves the Celts with a Rondo/Bradley/Green/Sully/Asik starting 5. Crawford is 1st guard off bench, Bass is first big off bench. Wallace/Lee/KO/Fav round out the bench unit. Very solid team that should be good enough for a Top 4 seed. So Ainge is developing his young core in a winning environment but is keeping potential future moves in play by keeping the majority of his picks, most notably the 2014 picks.

Leaves Philly with a terrible team. Along with Utah and Milwaukee, Philly would be a lock for a Top 5 pick. They maintain full control of their cap and then can feel comfortable rolling out MCW, Turner, etc without worrying about winning too many games. Ideally, they land Parker or Wiggins this year and then another blue chipper like Myles or Okafor next year... along with cap space they should be done with their rebuild by 2015.

Leaves Houston with Beverly/Harden/Parsons/Young/Howard Lin/Jones on bench among the others.

Personally, I think it's a win, win, win. Really just comes down to Philly cooperating and Houston being good with the Young/Brooks return

Thanks for the info

Did you have a chance to ask your friend about the Sac rumor? I guess it´s bogus, but just wondering

[humblebum]

The market for Asik really must be dry if we can confidently take even Bass off the table in negotiations. Hump and a 1st would be a steal.

right, but at the same time expirings have value. I think most teams would probably prefer Hump to Bass simply because he's off books after this year. IDK. Just what I was told. I'm sure Ainge will do some trade that nobody saw coming. But what I like about all of this is that Ainge isn't willing to simply trade away good players. Like Bass even. And I agree with that. I never thought Bass was very good until this year. He's solid. Not a star. Just solid. that mid range J is underrated. if he's gone we miss that. his defense is underrated. he can guard multiple positions with confidence. with Sully emerging and with Bass/Sully proving that they can play well together, I like keeping them both on this team.

but as far as Asik goes. I'd love to have him. good 7 foot centers don't grow on trees. if Houston misses out on the Dwight Howard sweepstakes then there's no way in hell Houston is trading Asik. And the fact that Asik requested a trade and that Houston is willing to deal him is sorta the perfect storm. And with Boston having the assets to do a deal, they almost have leverage.

Would be a great deal for boston

I think it's essential to keep Bass out of any potential deals. There just aren't dudes out there that can defend Lebron/Carmelo and still be able to bang down low with legit seven footers and still yet be competent offensive performers. Add in this dude's ability to step up in playoff situations the last couple seasons and I just don't see how it makes sense to add an Asik, only to lose a Brandon Bass. I think the case could even possibly be made that Brandon at 6 million is approximately equal value to Omer at 8 million.

I'd love to pull off something around Lee/Bogans and Hump as principals (with Wallace as a pipe dream) along with a first round pick or two depending on which principals are included in the trade.

[cammac]

Raptor fan in peace
Toronto gets Bogans , Kelly O and LAC 1st trade Amir Johnson & Daye
Boston gets Asik
Houston gets Amir & Daye

[CelticFaninLBC]

Helluva deal if:

Asik & Brewer to Boston
Young & Lee to Houston
Bogans & LAC pick to Philly

Works in the trade checker...

[humblebum]

Raptor fan in peace
Toronto gets Bogans , Kelly O and LAC 1st trade Amir Johnson & Daye
Boston gets Asik
Houston gets Amir & Daye

Too sweet for Toronto and too sour for both Boston and Houston. I also think that this deal would put Boston over the hard cap as well.

[ddb]

okay so here is what I've been told by a buddy of mine on the Asik/Boston speculation. Take it for what it's worth.

Ainge is trying like hell to get Philly to become a facilitator in an Asik to Boston deal. Green and Bass are 2 players that peak Hou's interest. Ainge, believe it or not would like to hang on to both Green and Bass. I was told that Ainge loves the way Bass as matured as a player on and off the court. Views him as the prototypical 3rd big on a very good team. Even if Ainge is able to get this deal done he still views Sully/Bass finishing games together with Asik on the bench. Asik is a very good defensive Center, but not the type of guy you want on the court to finish games because of his horrendous free throw shooting and inability to space the floor. So ideally what Ainge is hoping for is an Asik/Sully unit starting. Bass as 3rd big, KO and Fav fight for 4th big mins. And then as far as Green goes, Ainge thinks Green is too steep an asking price for Asik. They see no reason to move Green who they view as a guy on a "fair" market deal.

So that leads us to Philly. Philly has 3 players who Houston is interested in. Turner, Young, Hawes. And we know about Philly needing to get to the salary cap floor at some point this season.

so what Ainge is trying to do is move the expiring deals of Hump/Bogans to Philly which gets them to the floor. and we know Hump/Bogs expire so Philly isn't hit with any contacts beyond this season. Essentially they get worse and pretty much guarantee themselves a top 5 pick this year. Ainge wants Philly to move 1 of the Hawes, Turner, Young group to Houston and then Asik would end up in Boston. I'm told Ainge is willing to deal 1 pick to Philly, likely the 2015 clips pick in exchange for cooperating as a facilitator. Ainge is also willing to basically give Brooks to Houston as well as a sweetener.

So it would look something like this.

Boston Out: Hump/Bogans/Brooks/2015 Clips
Boston In: Asik

Philly Out: Young
Philly In: Hump/Bogans/2015 Clips pick

Houston Out: Asik
Houston in: Young/Brooks

Leaves the Celts with a Rondo/Bradley/Green/Sully/Asik starting 5. Crawford is 1st guard off bench, Bass is first big off bench. Wallace/Lee/KO/Fav round out the bench unit. Very solid team that should be good enough for a Top 4 seed. So Ainge is developing his young core in a winning environment but is keeping potential future moves in play by keeping the majority of his picks, most notably the 2014 picks.

Leaves Philly with a terrible team. Along with Utah and Milwaukee, Philly would be a lock for a Top 5 pick. They maintain full control of their cap and then can feel comfortable rolling out MCW, Turner, etc without worrying about winning too many games. Ideally, they land Parker or Wiggins this year and then another blue chipper like Myles or Okafor next year... along with cap space they should be done with their rebuild by 2015.

Leaves Houston with Beverly/Harden/Parsons/Young/Howard Lin/Jones on bench among the others.

Personally, I think it's a win, win, win. Really just comes down to Philly cooperating and Houston being good with the Young/Brooks return

Thanks for the info

Did you have a chance to ask your friend about the Sac rumor? I guess it´s bogus, but just wondering

I think Sacto would love to have Rondo join Gay and Cousins. That team has been horrible, new ownership and hoping for a new arena. they need Rondo more then Boston needs to deal Rondo. That's the issue with it. Ainge has great leverage in any deal. he will ask for Cousins knowing that Sacto isn't giving him up. That'll be the end of those discussions. Unless Sacto decides to take protection of their pick this year and send that along with Thomas, McLemore and future picks as well. Plus, Ainge would make them take back Wallace and probably Lee in any deal. Just too many hoops to jump through and I think ultimately Sacto finds another trade partner willing to give up an All-Star caliber guy without having to give up as much

[Captain_Caveman]

Sacto can't offer picks very easily. Earliest shot at a pick from them would probably be 2017.

They could draft for us next summer tho.